thefourthvine: Two people fucking, rearview: sex is the universal fandom. (UF black and white, Universal Fandom)Keep Hoping Machine Running ([personal profile] thefourthvine) wrote,
@ 2010-08-01 10:23 am UTC
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I wish to make it clear that I in no way blame [personal profile] lolaraincoat. Sure, she was the person who said to me, "Why not plant tomatoes? What's the worst that could happen?" but I am pretty well convinced that she didn't actually know what could, in fact, happen. (She lives in Canada. Probably the plants are kind and polite and restrained up there.) Really, it was my own fault; I should have taken a clue from the fact that the national chains were all selling little ordinary wire tomato cages, but our local garden store sold only these scary thick reinforced wire tomato cages that came in two sizes: wolverine and bear.

It turns out that this is because planting tomatoes in our climate is roughly akin to keeping a wolverine or a bear in your back yard. (Obviously, which animal it is depends on what kind of tomato you plant. Because I am extremely clever, I planted both. Wolverine and bear tomatoes do not, as I have learned to my cost, fight and thus cancel each other out; instead, they team up and destroy the world.)

A partial list of things our tomato plants have destroyed on their way to the inevitable (no, seriously, I am now convinced that this is where gardening always has to go) end of civilization as we know it:[personal profile] thingswithwings was telling me a while back that her tomato plants are, like, ten feet high, with tentacles visibly reaching for passersby; our tomato plants got up nearly that high, but then they crushed their supports and flopped over on the ground. They are now more than ten feet long, but all horribly intertwined with each other. This would be less of a problem if I hadn't planted many different varieties in the same area; we have no way of telling anymore which tomatoes are on which plants, or indeed which plants are where; it's just a giant lump of greenery and tomatoes. And, of course, in a feat of unparalleled brilliance, I managed to plant a tomato that is green when ripe; we've spent a lot of time staring at the garden lately and saying, "Do you think those are the green zebras? They're stripey!" We have no idea when or if we should pick one.

We have, however, picked a lot of some kind of weird tomato that it turns out is ripe when it's dark red on the bottom and sort of greeny-black on top; they are incredibly tasty, although I try to eat them out of the line of sight of the living room windows, because the tomatoes can see in through those and I am concerned they will strike back.

Another thing I should possibly have thought twice before planting is basil. See, I have always before gotten basil in pots. The process with basil in pots is, in my experience, as follows:
  1. Purchase nice, good-smelling, healthy-looking basil in a pot.
  2. (Optional) Pick a couple of leaves.
  3. Throw away dead basil plant a week later. Save pot or not, as you choose.
In all my years of buying basil plants, this never varied. I tried watering more. I tried watering less. I tried keeping the pot in a window, on the counter, in a bathroom. I tried not picking and picking leaves. A week after purchase - maybe two at the outside - I always had a dead basil plant. (If you are wondering why I kept buying things I knew would die: it's hard to believe a plant will betray you. They look so green and innocent! Come to think of it, that's pretty much the same reason I keep gearing up and heading out to my garden now.) So when I planted basil this year, I bought two plants and then added another that I grew from seed. I figured then I'd get, like, maybe FIVE leaves before they all died.

Apparently what basil really likes is to be planted outside. I put mine in a big container (because the tomatoes had already taken out most of the herb garden; this was back when I thought that was the worst they would do, not realizing they were sort of pausing and licking their chops prior to really getting down to business), and now I have a giant basil bush. I go out, I pick a little basil - not enough to make any difference in the size of the bush, but just enough to keep it sort of roughly contained - and once I get it indoors, I realize I have a huge amount of basil, such that in addition to serving it (with the tomatoes, of course) that night, I'm going to have to make some more pesto to freeze.

I tell you what: I now completely understand why tomatoes and basil so often appear in the same recipes. It's because of gardenerly desperation.

Gardenerly desperation is actually a major factor in nearly everything I do in the garden these days. I had no idea so much calamity would be involved. Gardening is dangerous, and let no one tell different. These days, I cannot believe they sell seeds without requiring a gardening license. And maybe a firearms license, too.




One of the tomato patches, early on. Later, I added further plants behind these ones. This was an error. Note the weeny wire cages.


Part of the same patch now. Note how there is one of the weeny wire frames in the photo; it is no longer connected to the ground. The other ones - the one above and the two I added later - are somewhere under the tomato mass. Near the back, there's part of the one bear-sized reinforced wire cage I bought, still holding steady. (Most of the tomatoes we've picked came from this one. Tomatoes apparently feel more ready to ripen when securely contained.)


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sprocket: Red and yellow leaf image (Red Leaves)


[personal profile] sprocket
2010-08-01 05:53 pm UTC (link)
My first herb garden, including the cilantro, thyme, oregano and mint (yes, mint, for serious)

Mint is a known menace: once it's in the ground, it takes over everything. When I threaten to start an herb garden, gardeners in earshot mutter "not mint" until I promise to put it in a pot. On the gray desert we call a front patio.

I'm used to relatively tame tomatoes; the idea that they would win a tomatoes vs mint cage match makes me cringe in my soul for the future of gardening everywhere.

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thefourthvine: A drawing of Poison Ivy. (Ivy)


[personal profile] thefourthvine
2010-08-01 06:51 pm UTC (link)
Yeah. The mint is just GONE. The tomatoes ate it. They are not normal tomatoes.

Or, at least, I have to think they aren't normal. Possibly they were bred as a weapon.

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[personal profile] sage
2010-08-01 05:53 pm UTC (link)
ahahahahaha, you see, this is exactly where Attack of the Killer Tomatoes came from. *g*

(also, you will get vastly more fruit out of each plant if it isn't devoting most of its energy to leaf-production. You can prune back up to a third of the plant-mass at a time, and for normal tomato maintenance, you just pinch off the little diagonal branchlets that try to pop out between the main stem and a horizontal branch. Cut those suckers off. You'll get so much more fruit for the trouble.)

I'm in basil-envy. Mine's still alive, barely, but 100° heat isn't any good for it, and the leaves are no good for salad if they're crispy from sunburn. *awaits autumn impatiently*

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[personal profile] thefourthvine
2010-08-01 06:53 pm UTC (link)
See, I did not know this! Next year, I will pinch off the the branchlets. (Next year is pretty much my gardening mantra. Next year, I will space better. Next year, I will know better than to plant a pumpkin. Next year, I will fight the tomatoes when they're still small and relatively helpless. And so on.)

I would totally share some basil with you, if you were nearby. Of course, if you were here, you wouldn't want any of my basil; yours would be waving threatening fronds over the entire herb garden.

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[personal profile] reginagiraffe
2010-08-01 05:57 pm UTC (link)
*dies laughing*

Why do I keep hearing the "Jaws" theme song running through my head?

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thefourthvine: A drawing of Poison Ivy. (Ivy)


[personal profile] thefourthvine
2010-08-01 06:55 pm UTC (link)
BECAUSE YOU UNDERSTAND WHAT'S HAPPENING OUT THERE IN MY YARD.

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[personal profile] jumpuphigh
2010-08-01 05:57 pm UTC (link)
They conquered the zucchini AND the pumpkin plants? Wow.

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thefourthvine: A drawing of Poison Ivy. (Ivy)


[personal profile] thefourthvine
2010-08-01 06:56 pm UTC (link)
I know! Who knew tomatoes had it in them?

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[personal profile] ignaz
2010-08-01 05:58 pm UTC (link)

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thefourthvine: A drawing of Poison Ivy. (Ivy)


[personal profile] thefourthvine
2010-08-01 06:57 pm UTC (link)
That is EXACTLY what my yard looks like right now. EXACTLY.

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[personal profile] nestra
2010-08-01 05:58 pm UTC (link)
Despite everything we've tried, including neglect and winter, our basil always flourishes.

However, we've never managed to grow dill, despite the entire internet saying that dill is the easiest thing in the world to grow and requires no thought at all.

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thefourthvine: A drawing of Poison Ivy. (Ivy)


[personal profile] thefourthvine
2010-08-01 07:00 pm UTC (link)
Well, the internet SWORE that mint would take over my entire garden once planted, and yet it lost pathetically to the tomatoes. Clearly, the internet is disseminating misinformation for reasons of its own. Possibly tomatoes ARE the internet; the entangled mass in my yard certainly resembles it.

*eyes internet suspiciously*

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(no subject) - [personal profile] minim_calibre, 2010-08-01 07:25 pm UTC (Expand)
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[personal profile] calathea
2010-08-01 06:00 pm UTC (link)
The problem with tomato plants is that you do have to be ultra vigilant about nipping off unwanted growth earlier in the season. They you have a (relatively) well behaved plant and a lot more tomatoes. We used to grow about a dozen plants every year in our greenhouse in the house I lived in as a teenager and my mum and I would spend a good amount of time every afternoon keeping the plants from taking over the entire structure.

That said, you could still prune now to get some more visibility of the fruit. Try not to prune leaves that are directly shading a cluster of fruit -- they like sun but too much direct sun gets them overheated and the skin cracks.

/tomato expertise, apparently

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[personal profile] thefourthvine
2010-08-01 07:03 pm UTC (link)
And, just for the record, if I do try to prune, will I survive the experience?

Next year, though. Next year, I will nip the tomatoes like there's no tomorrow. *sighs*

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[personal profile] thingswithwings
2010-08-01 06:19 pm UTC (link)
I fear your tomatoes! In addition to already fearing my own, of course. Like you, we've seen the great height followed by the great breadth of the tomato civilization - first they went up and up and up and then they flopped over and intertwined hopelessly and began their campaign to take over the entire backyard. They are now reaching for the swingset on one side, and the fence on the other. I fear that if they make it over (or through) the fence they'll realise that the backyard is not the whole world, that there are MILES AND MILES of world out there to eat explore eat, and will only be stopped when they come up against your tomatoes' territory.

And I will note for the record that this NEVER happened to me when I lived in Canada.

PS, I love how innocent that first photo is. It's like you actually believed that all those plants would stay in their nice little rows and designated areas while subserviently producing fruit and herbs! Oh, the naivete.

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[personal profile] thefourthvine
2010-08-01 07:12 pm UTC (link)
OH GOD KEEP THEM AWAY FROM THE SWINGSET. I am not usually one to be all, "Think of the CHILDREN," but, really. You planted those tomatoes. How will you feel after it eats a couple of kids? BAD. That is how you will feel.

And I will note for the record that this NEVER happened to me when I lived in Canada.

I knew it. I just KNEW this kind of craziness wouldn't happen in Canadian gardens.

I love how innocent that first photo is. It's like you actually believed that all those plants would stay in their nice little rows and designated areas while subserviently producing fruit and herbs! Oh, the naivete.

In retrospect, it's rather touching to remember how I just planted things with no fear whatsoever. Or sense. I thought the plants were going to die, or maybe make some foods for us to eat. Conquest did not even enter into my calculations.

Why is there no scared gardeners community? WE COULD BOND. And exchange tips! And maybe teach each other how to set up some kind of dead man's herbicide switch.

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[personal profile] shadowvalkyrie
2010-08-01 06:23 pm UTC (link)
I'm following the development of your garden drama with great sadistically amused interest. ":-D

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[personal profile] thefourthvine
2010-08-01 07:19 pm UTC (link)
You will obviously go down in the history books as The One Who Laughed While Civilization Collapsed (Under the Weight of Tomatoes).

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[personal profile] fjbryan
2010-08-01 06:26 pm UTC (link)
Gardenerly desperation

Snicker! Good luck with the firearms--that might keep them from invading the house.

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[personal profile] thefourthvine
2010-08-01 07:21 pm UTC (link)
I don't HAVE any firearms. Like an idiot, I planted a garden without first purchasing sufficient automatic weaponry and C-4.

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[personal profile] schemingreader
2010-08-01 06:27 pm UTC (link)
Would you like some lists of things to make with tomatoes and things to make with pesto? Besides the obvious glories of making pizza this fall and winter with pesto and tomato sauce. Not to mention, Mondo Bizarro sauce, the combination tomato sauce/pesto combo from the first Moosewood cookbook.

Stuffed tomatoes are good. You can fill them with dal.

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thefourthvine: A drawing of Poison Ivy. (Ivy)


[personal profile] thefourthvine
2010-08-01 07:21 pm UTC (link)
Yes, please! I want recipes!

...Ooo. Mondo Bizarro sauce sounds TASTY.

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[personal profile] lilmoka
2010-08-01 06:33 pm UTC (link)
Your garden is scary O_O I never thought tomatoes could be so evil, LOL

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thefourthvine: A drawing of Poison Ivy. (Ivy)


[personal profile] thefourthvine
2010-08-01 07:22 pm UTC (link)
I know! They seemed so tasty and sweet and innocent. But, no. Turns out tomatoes are a MENACE.

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[personal profile] peoriapeoriawhereart
2010-08-01 06:48 pm UTC (link)
A few thing about the cages. The little ones are jokes, and only the bear and wolverine ones are actually useful for tomatoes, while the others are suited to peppers and eggplants. Next year, the basil should be planted in between the tomatoes, and the squash trellised. They'll keep the air moist for the tomatoes and they won't fight so much.

I'm still a bit away from more than the occasional taste of tomato. But, I did eat many raspberries.

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thefourthvine: A drawing of Poison Ivy. (Ivy)


[personal profile] thefourthvine
2010-08-01 07:24 pm UTC (link)
Okay, just a tiny question: how do you trellis a squash and make it actually do as it is told? I couldn't even get my green beans to use their trellis this year.

Basil between tomatoes. Okay. Of course, this will require me to figure out how to space tomatoes such that there is actually room between them, but, well. Gardening is all about the challenges, apparently.

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[personal profile] killing_rose
2010-08-01 06:50 pm UTC (link)
Pick the tomatoes even if you think it might be the green zebra ones--make fried green tomatoes or somesuch.

(No, really, they're good. Even if you don't bread them and saute them more than fry them.)

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thefourthvine: A drawing of Poison Ivy. (Ivy)


[personal profile] thefourthvine
2010-08-01 07:27 pm UTC (link)
*deep breath* Okay. I will try to pick some of them. Just - you know. The garden. It is SCARY.

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[personal profile] emeraldsword
2010-08-01 07:21 pm UTC (link)
*dies laughing*

I too believe that plants are on a quest for world domination - we only have a lawn and that is a CONSTANT hassle!

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thefourthvine: A drawing of Poison Ivy. (Ivy)


[personal profile] thefourthvine
2010-08-01 07:28 pm UTC (link)
See, we are going to replace the lawn with a larger garden. Clearly, this is a sign that insanity has taken hold of us.

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[personal profile] axelrod
2010-08-01 07:27 pm UTC (link)
What did you do to your soil and has it been patented already?

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thefourthvine: A drawing of Poison Ivy. (Ivy)


[personal profile] thefourthvine
2010-08-01 07:28 pm UTC (link)
NOTHING. I did not do ANYTHING to the soil.

...Although some people have suggested that possibly, just possibly, I should have reflected before planting a garden where a fishpond used to be. Fish poop and algae are apparently potent fertilizers.

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[personal profile] minim_calibre
2010-08-01 07:27 pm UTC (link)
::cries::

my puny tomatoes envy your climate.

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thefourthvine: A drawing of Poison Ivy. (Ivy)


[personal profile] thefourthvine
2010-08-01 07:30 pm UTC (link)
Trust me, it's better this way. You can't even make jam from tomatoes, for heaven's sake.

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[personal profile] crysothemis
2010-08-01 08:20 pm UTC (link)
You need tomato ladders! I use two per plant, and if you wire them together, you can trap 6 feet of reaching, groping vine. Well, you do have to keep tucking any stems inside the ladder, but it works until they get too tall (which my tomatoes do -- I think they're about 12 feet high now, but that's only because I have no sun).

Show those tomatoes who's in charge!

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thefourthvine: A drawing of Poison Ivy. (Ivy)


[personal profile] thefourthvine
2010-08-02 05:46 am UTC (link)
Tomato ladders. Okay. This sounds good, but - where do you get a tomato ladder? What does one look like?

Show those tomatoes who's in charge!

I have. They are. Next year, though, I want to be.

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[personal profile] toft
2010-08-01 08:46 pm UTC (link)
Aaaugh! I think I actually recoiled from the second picture. They can't come through the internet, right?

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[personal profile] jumpuphigh
2010-08-01 08:53 pm UTC (link)
I think these particular tomatoes may manage to achieve that.

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[personal profile] qem_chibati
2010-08-01 09:47 pm UTC (link)
o.o;

My husband wants to set up a garden, so I am taking notes from all of this, and will make sure that we have bushwackers prepared in advance.

o.o;

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thefourthvine: A drawing of Poison Ivy. (Ivy)


[personal profile] thefourthvine
2010-08-02 05:51 am UTC (link)
My advice is to start with self-watering containers. That way, if things go bad, you can just torch the container with the flamethrower you will DEFINITELY ALREADY OWN.

*nods*

Alternatively, you can take your chances with plants in the ground, but you've seen how that can turn out.

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[personal profile] bell
2010-08-01 10:11 pm UTC (link)
Heeee, I see the Earthling's head in the first photo. :D I hope he is not lost in the tangles of the second photo?!??!

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thefourthvine: A drawing of Poison Ivy. (Ivy)


[personal profile] thefourthvine
2010-08-02 05:53 am UTC (link)
Fortunately, the earthling seems to be intuitively aware of when the plants are too big to be trifled with. He currently avoids the main tomato bramble. (Although he still helps pick the cherry tomatoes, which are less - less. Just less.)

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[personal profile] jibrailis
2010-08-01 10:26 pm UTC (link)
She lives in Canada. Probably the plants are kind and polite and restrained up there.

Yes, but when they do rise up and try to strangle you, you never see it coming! (My family used to grow tomatoes on our porch. I was genuinely worried that our porch would collapse under the weight of their furious growth).

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thefourthvine: A drawing of Poison Ivy. (Ivy)


[personal profile] thefourthvine
2010-08-02 06:02 am UTC (link)
I have IMMENSE sympathy. Although I am slightly disappointed to learn that plants don't magically become kinder and gentler when you make it over the border. (Obviously I will be fleeing north if the garden situation becomes untenable, and I would like to think we'd be safe up there.)

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[personal profile] cereta
2010-08-01 10:43 pm UTC (link)
Yeah, I am definitely making a ton a caprese right now, because we are DROWNING in tomatoes and basil. We've also reached the point where I'm desperately staking up tomato branches.

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thefourthvine: A drawing of Poison Ivy. (Ivy)


[personal profile] thefourthvine
2010-08-02 06:06 am UTC (link)
Courage, sister! Eventually the plants will die. Probably.

Do you eat pasta? If so, let me point you to Mondo Bizarro Sauce, which I have never tried, but a commenter pointed me to it, and you'd better believe I'm trying it soon.

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[personal profile] archersangel
2010-08-02 12:39 am UTC (link)
watch when you grab in there for tomatoes. there could be tomato horn worms that have a stinger on it's rear.
http://www.google.com/search?q=tomato+worm&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&client=firefox-a&rlz=1R1GGLL_en___US378

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thefourthvine: A drawing of Poison Ivy. (Ivy)


[personal profile] thefourthvine
2010-08-02 06:06 am UTC (link)
AIEEEE OMG. Thank you for the warning.

Fleeing to Canada looks like a better option all the time.

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[personal profile] lilacsigil
2010-08-02 01:08 am UTC (link)
We had green zebras last summer! They are ripe (and super delicious) when they are dark yellow and green on the bottom.

...also, I thought our tomatoes were feral (they started going into nearby trees) but ours have nothing on that.

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thefourthvine: A drawing of Poison Ivy. (Ivy)


[personal profile] thefourthvine
2010-08-02 06:09 am UTC (link)
I will wait for yellowness, then!

Feral tomatoes. That is EXACTLY what this is. Thank you for the extremely descriptive term!

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