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I have mentioned this before, but: I am the Inappropriate Adult in my family. I am the person who never remembers to watch her language or subject matter in front of the children. And while the earthling is still young enough that it doesn't matter, his cousins have been listening for quite a while now.

My sister appears to have given up on this without a fight. I don't know if she takes her kids aside after I go and gives them a speech like, "Now, the words Auntie TFV uses are not for you to use." Probably not, though. My sister chooses her battles, and I don't think she'd choose that one unless the school complained. (She also grew up, as I did, around my father, who never remembered to censor his language either, so I was saying fuck at four and discussing blowjobs with him at fifteen. Despite this, she and I figured out appropriate context without excessive difficulty, so maybe she's riding off the experience that tells her that this is possible, even for a hopeless sailor mouth like me. Certainly her kids never actually use Those Words.)

But - okay. Before I explain what happened the other day, you need to know about my sister and the difference between the two of us, so here is an instructive story. One year, our parents went to Hawaii over the Christmas holiday. My sister was left in charge; she was in college, I was in high school. (She's seven years older.) My sister was also left with my father's car, and in it, we went driving around looking at Christmas lights.

While we were driving around in a residential area, my sister saw a dip sign. "This should be fun!" she said, rather uncharacteristically. And she gunned it. It turned out to be a capital-D Dip. All four wheels left the road. There was, I swear, a slow-motion action-movie moment of actually flying through the air. I could almost hear the Wagner on the soundtrack. And then we hit the other side of the dip with an almighty WHUMP. (When we went back later, during the daytime, we saw that both sides of the Dip had hundreds of deep scars, presumably from other cars doing precisely what we did.)

Shaken, we went right back home. We had music on in the car, of course, and we kept turning it up, but it was inescapable: the car was making a loud scraping noise. It had not been making a scraping noise before the Dip.

My sister was alarmed - I mean, she'd broken my father's car. The next day, she called a friend who knew about a bit about cars, and he came over and looked underneath and observed that there was a very large part hanging from the undercarriage and scraping the road, one that probably was not supposed to be like that. He opined that anything he might do to the car would only make it worse, and advised us to wait until it could see a real car doctor.

I don't know exactly how my sister felt as we waited for our parents to return home, but I was definitely glad she'd done it, not me.

When they came home, though, it was anticlimactic. My father wasn't mad at all; he just took the car to get fixed. Later, he told me he laughed all the way to the mechanic. "It was just so fucking funny," he said. "The one time in her life she decides to take a risk, and she rips the bottom off the goddamned car. I wanted to applaud her for doing it, actually. She doesn't do the crazy stuff. It was really more like something you'd do."

I was insulted. I was an extremely cautious person! Something I proved when I got my own license and took the same damn car up to the residential foothills, turned off the motor so the power steering and brakes didn't work, took it out of gear, and took my foot off the brake. I would be going 75 by the time I hit the stop sign. On a very twisty residential road. In a car I couldn't easily steer. At an age where I had no real experience to rely on in an automotive emergency. At the time, I considered this a minor lark, one I did on a regular basis; it's far more terrifying to think now that I actually did that oh god I could have killed someone than it was to do. Oh, and also there was the sex and the drugs and so on. And the APB. And the arrest (on a totally different occasion than the APB!). I'm just saying: if my father were still alive, I would apologize for taking offense at this one. I am a cautious person now. Then, I was really, really not.

My long-winded point here is that my sister is and has always been, that one Dip excepted, Appropriate. I am not, and I never really have been. (Did I mention I once told a fellatio joke to a friend's youth pastor? At a church outing? When I was 13? Because I honestly thought he'd find it funny? So. Inappropriate.)

So it will not surprise you to hear that my sister would probably like to belong to a more polite and tasteful family. I mean, there are actually things she would prefer not to talk about for reasons of embarrassment, bizarrely enough. And one of these things is sex. Specifically, she would prefer not to talk about sex with her children. She took pretty much the same approach our mother tried: she bought them a book. (Our father filled in later, with actual words and stuff. I don't think my mother has ever entirely forgiven him for some of it. His policy, as far as I could tell, was that when we had learned enough, we'd stop listening. I have never been good at stopping listening.) Her children have thus far refused to read the book, or even look directly at it. This means anytime something sex-related comes up, she has this conversation with Z, who is now 12 and has been avoiding that book for at least two years:

Z: What's that mean?
L: GO READ YOUR BOOK.

But the thing is, Z is not entirely sure he wants to know; he just knows for sure that he can embarrass the hell out of his mother by asking. This tactic works extremely well as long as I'm not there. If I am, it goes like this:

Z: What's that mean?
L, turning to me with an evil little smile: YOU tell him.
Me: Okay! [Insert lengthy discussion of topic here.]
Z: *is clearly embarrassed and visibly wishes he had never asked but has to pretend to listen to it anyway*

The basic problem here is that if I know the answer to a question, I will give it unless I have been carefully prepped in advance not to. It never even occurs to me not to answer until way too late.

So recently, the earthling and I were at my sister's house, mooching dinner and letting the kids wear each other out, and we had this conversation:

Me, watching L's younger son eat his extremely plain hamburger: Do your kids ever use condiments?
My sister, giggling because in her secret heart she is twelve: Well, not yet, of course. They're too young. But I hope they will when they're older!
Z: Why are you laughing?
L, after a failed attempt not to explain: Well, condiment sounds like condom. [Seriously. SHE IS SO TWELVE.]
Z: What's a condom?
L, with her perfect evil little smile: YOU tell him.

I tried. But the thing is, it's very hard to describe a condom to someone who has never seen one. "Penis balloon" didn't really conjure anything useful for Z. He wasn't even embarrassed; he was just bewildered, and, I started to fear, possibly imagining some kind of balloon scenario as in Pixar's Up, just more - um, locally applied. My sister eventually said, "Well, you'll learn about this in school, because this is your year for sex ed. They'll show you a condom then."

And then we exchanged horrified looks, because we realized maybe they wouldn't. We both saw the condom demo in school, and we were unable to imagine that a health class wouldn't at least cover condoms - so healthy! - so L sent Z for his textbook. It contained a chapter on the male reproductive system, a chapter on the female reproductive system, and a chapter ominously entitled "Abstinence and Saying No." As far as sex ed went, that was it. The index, just to drive the point home, had no mention of condoms or birth control.

We were stunned. It's one thing to hear about abstinence-only education (which, of course, studies show DOES NOT WORK), but it's another thing altogether to know that they will be doing this travesty to an actual person that you are actually rather invested in reaching adulthood without getting any sexually transmitted diseases or getting anyone pregnant.

That was it. We had no choice. "We're going to have to do this now," my sister said grimly, and marched off to her bathroom. She found some seriously expired condoms and brought them to the dinner table.

I opened one and explained what you put inside (your penis!) and when (before sex!) and why (pregnancy and diseases!). After a few minutes, my sister handed me a banana. And thus it was that for the first time in, oh, a really long time, I put a condom on something. The condom was, of course, slick, and somehow lubricant is less desirable in a condom-on-banana-at-dinner situation than it is in an actual sex situation. "I shouldn't have to do this," I said, going to wash my hands. "I'm a lesbian."

And that was what made Z snap. Up until then, he had been once again wishing he had never gone there, but that, that was quality humor. He cracked up. My sister cracked up. Even the earthling started laughing, although he had no clue why; just, everyone else was laughing and he likes to join in.

"See," I said to Z when I got back and he'd mostly stopped giggling, "this is a very safe banana. It's important to keep your banana safe." I offered it to him.

"Noooooo," he said, wincing away. "I don't want to touch it!"

"See? That's how safe it is!" I said, imparting precisely the wrong message for the sake of an extremely minor joke. (I really do need to work on that thinking before speaking thing.)

And it was at that moment that the earthling, observing that there was fruit on the dinner table that, bizarrely, no one seemed to want, decided to deal with the situation appropriately.

I don't know what Z will take away from today. (USE CONDOMS IF YOU HAVE SEX, Z! YOUR MOTHER WILL SUPPLY THEM! OR I WILL ALSO BE HAPPY TO!) But I do know one thing for sure. We're still going to be telling the earthling about how he tried to eat the safe banana when he's forty.


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princessofgeeks: (RDA and MS by magnavox)


[personal profile] princessofgeeks
2010-11-02 03:23 pm UTC (link)
i just love this. thank you for posting. your dad sounds like an amazing person.

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thefourthvine: Two people fucking, rearview: sex is the universal fandom. (UF black and white)


[personal profile] thefourthvine
2010-11-02 04:55 pm UTC (link)
He was. He really, really was.

And thanks! I'm glad you enjoyed the post.

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[personal profile] roga
2010-11-02 03:28 pm UTC (link)
This is my new favorite post ever.

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[personal profile] thefourthvine
2010-11-02 04:55 pm UTC (link)
Thank you! <3 <3 <3

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2010-11-02 03:31 pm UTC (link)
Ahahahahaha! Poor earthling!

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[personal profile] thefourthvine
2010-11-02 04:56 pm UTC (link)
He KNOWS WHAT TO DO WITH FRUIT. Even fruit with a strange jacket on!

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[personal profile] alexandrina
2010-11-02 03:31 pm UTC (link)
I am *dying* because I had that conversation with my 12 year old a couple years ago.

And again this year as a 14 year old.

And I bet I'll have it again when he's 16, too. :D

I *was* going to pawn the gay sex questions off on his lesbian mother...but I'm pretty sure I'm going to wind up fielding those too. I will have to use a banana next time, that's just....so perfect. And perfectly embarrassing \o/

This is coldpoet BTW, I changed my name.

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[personal profile] thefourthvine
2010-11-02 04:59 pm UTC (link)
My feeling is that you can never have the condom conversation too many times. Eventually, you should be able to get K to the point where, if you wake him up in the middle of the night and shine a bright light in his face, he mumbles, "Condoms. Right. Got it" before going back to sleep. ([livejournal.com profile] seperis has achieved this with her child!)

I *was* going to pawn the gay sex questions off on his lesbian mother...but I'm pretty sure I'm going to wind up fielding those too. I will have to use a banana next time, that's just....so perfect. And perfectly embarrassing

Definitely use a banana. That's what bananas were made for!

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[personal profile] reginagiraffe
2010-11-02 03:33 pm UTC (link)
This is right up there with the yams. *g*

I'm still hearing about the time I said to my mother (with whom I share a birthday), "I'm seven, [my oldest sister] is seventeen, and you're twenty-seven!" and I'm forty-five! *g*

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[personal profile] thefourthvine
2010-11-02 05:03 pm UTC (link)
I am still reminding my mother of the time she forgot my date of birth while filling out some school forms, and then argued with me about it in the district office's lobby.

Of course, I just recently discovered that I am two years younger than I've been thinking I was since my last birthday. So, you know, it's possible that age-related difficulties mean something else in our family.

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2010-11-02 03:34 pm UTC (link)
You are awesome. :D

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[personal profile] thefourthvine
2010-11-02 05:05 pm UTC (link)
Awww, thank you!

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[personal profile] minim_calibre
2010-11-02 03:36 pm UTC (link)
Oh my goodness. I don't know what had me laughing hardest here.

(The possibility of schools failing to do proper sex-ed? Terrifying, however.)

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2010-11-02 03:50 pm UTC (link)
One of many reasons why K. did not do public high school!

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[personal profile] andraste
2010-11-02 03:36 pm UTC (link)
*dies laughing, resurrects self*

I saw where this story was going as soon as the banana entered the scene, which I guess says something about the Earthling's habits.

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[personal profile] thefourthvine
2010-11-02 05:15 pm UTC (link)
I saw where this story was going as soon as the banana entered the scene, which I guess says something about the Earthling's habits.

You know him well! In retrospect, I'm not sure why I didn't realize he'd want the safe banana, but it came as a surprise to me.

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[personal profile] jadelennox
2010-11-02 03:37 pm UTC (link)
I wish these conversations went this way when they involved my sister. Instead, she just yelled at me and snaps because I shouldn't be talking about, I don't know, the fact that our parents probably found one another attractive when they first got married, and maybe even later, given that they had three children, in front of her adolescent sons. They don't need to hear this! she yells all the time, but the kids just seem bored, like they seem bored with pretty much everything adults say.

Your version of the story or is much funnier.

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[personal profile] thefourthvine
2010-11-02 05:17 pm UTC (link)
They don't need to hear this! she yells all the time

...What does she think her kids DO need to hear, then? Because - well, maybe your sister had a perfect adolescence, but I remember being a teenager, and I tell you what: that was when I really did need to hear this shit.

the kids just seem bored, like they seem bored with pretty much everything adults say.

Awwww. Moody teenagers! I just want to tell them how adorably traditional they are. (Until my own kid becomes one, and then presumably I will want to strangle him.)

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[personal profile] quinfirefrorefiddle
2010-11-02 03:40 pm UTC (link)
For what it's worth, the pastor may well have found it funny, and judt felt they couldn't react that way in front of a 13 year old.

Also, these stories are great. And do you know about Scarleteen?

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[personal profile] thefourthvine
2010-11-02 05:26 pm UTC (link)
For what it's worth, the pastor may well have found it funny, and judt felt they couldn't react that way in front of a 13 year old.

His reaction was unmitigated horror. He didn't even know what to say. (And, in retrospect, I think he also didn't want to admit he understood the joke.) I know very little about Christian churches, but my guess is that it was a more conservative one. *wince* Not one of my finer moments, but I was SO PROUD that for once I REMEMBERED a joke! (I am the worst joke teller in the world. I ramble, and I get lost, and I forget key parts, and then I get to the punchline and either mess it up or forget to tell it. It's always a matter of great excitement to me when I realize I can tell a WHOLE JOKE.)

Also, these stories are great. And do you know about Scarleteen?

Yup! I actually considered putting a link up there for Z to check out later on. It is a great site, and infinitely better than what he's apparently going to be getting in school, god damn it.

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[personal profile] indywind
2010-11-02 03:43 pm UTC (link)
LOL.
I so needed that.

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[personal profile] thefourthvine
2010-11-02 05:30 pm UTC (link)
I'm glad I could provide it! (See? Sex discussions are great. Funny then AND funny later!)

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2010-11-02 03:43 pm UTC (link)
We're still going to be telling the earthling about how he tried to eat the safe banana when he's forty.

Ahahaa!

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[personal profile] thefourthvine
2010-11-02 05:34 pm UTC (link)
Maybe telling him the story can be a holiday tradition! One that will make him PURPLE with embarrassment when he's a teenager!

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[personal profile] florahart
2010-11-02 03:54 pm UTC (link)
*cannot. stop. laughing*

My kid keeps getting in trouble at school for correcting the planned parenthood person. This has happened three times now. He is right, so I'm like, okay, well, maybe you could think of gentler ways to say these things. I mean, he's not like "You dumbass;" he's just like, "Um, I think you're wrong..."

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[personal profile] thefourthvine
2010-11-02 05:41 pm UTC (link)
But if the Planned Parenthood person is WRONG, I do not see at all why he should be in trouble for issuing corrections. I mean, if you don't like being corrected by a teenager, BE LESS WRONG, that would be my advice to her (or him, or whatever).

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2010-11-02 03:56 pm UTC (link)
Here via DW Latest page. Thank you for giving me something to laugh about on election day! :)

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[personal profile] thefourthvine
2010-11-02 05:47 pm UTC (link)
It's a good time for humor, isn't it? *bites nails*

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[personal profile] kass
2010-11-02 04:02 pm UTC (link)
::dying::

Seriously: I am laughing so hard I scared the cat. Oh, honey. I love you a lot.

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[personal profile] thefourthvine
2010-11-02 05:50 pm UTC (link)
Laughter is a good thing. Except for cats, apparently. Poor kitty. *scritches from afar*

<3 <3 <3!

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[personal profile] jamjar
2010-11-02 04:03 pm UTC (link)
I bought this book for my little brother when he was about 10 or 11, on the "you know you can talk to Older Brother or me or mum and dad, but in case you'd rather just *not*..."

A couple years later, I figured out that at least one (possibly more) of his friends had read it, which I found sort of reassuring.

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[personal profile] thefourthvine
2010-11-02 06:26 pm UTC (link)
A couple years later, I figured out that at least one (possibly more) of his friends had read it, which I found sort of reassuring.

Definitely an ancillary advantage of providing proper sex information to your younger loved ones! (This is the argument I used with my sister about the Condom Jar concept: not just Z, but also Z's friends, will be able to take from it, thus preventing disease and pregnancies just that much more!)

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[personal profile] vi
2010-11-02 04:09 pm UTC (link)
Here via network - this post made me laugh so much, thank you!

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[personal profile] thefourthvine
2010-11-02 06:30 pm UTC (link)
I'm glad you liked it! We have the best dinner conversations in my family. *g*

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[personal profile] obsession_inc
2010-11-02 04:10 pm UTC (link)
I am laughing so hard I can't breathe. Oh God. The earthling trying to eat the safe banana is the BEST PART and I didn't even know because there were like eight BEST PARTs before! This is hilarious. Also, ten thousand times more awesome for sex-explaining than anything my family ever, ever, ever did when I was Z's age. You are the best auntie!

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2010-11-02 06:33 pm UTC (link)
The earthling KNOWS WHAT TO DO WITH FRUIT. And he did not at ALL understand why we insisted he eat a whole different banana, but he was willing to take it. Fruit at dinner is a rare treat!

I have a feeling that when they grow up, Z and A will look back on their many conversations with me and WINCE MIGHTILY. For, lo, I am not the best auntie, just the most inappropriate one EVER.

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[personal profile] hollyberries
2010-11-02 04:11 pm UTC (link)
I got the talk from a friend in high school because apparently it never occurred to my parents that I would need it (IDEK) so I'd say Z has it easy. :P

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2010-11-02 06:36 pm UTC (link)
Oh my god. I mean, I sort of sympathize, because I know from having the earthling that when you look at your kid, no matter how old he is, part of what you're seeing is the tiny baby you took home from the hospital. Kids grow up too fast for their parents to adjust.

But I am damn well going to give the earthling the talk, basically until he begs me to stop, because I remember him as a baby, sure, but I also remember myself as a teenager. *shudders*

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2010-11-02 04:14 pm UTC (link)
[DIES]

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[personal profile] thefourthvine
2010-11-02 06:39 pm UTC (link)
[REVIVES ANXIOUSLY]

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[personal profile] jumpuphigh
2010-11-02 04:22 pm UTC (link)
I just roared with laughter while gasping for air. *wipes tears from eyes*

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[personal profile] thefourthvine
2010-11-02 06:40 pm UTC (link)
*offers you a tissue*

*hopes you are not asthmatic*

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[personal profile] wired
2010-11-02 04:23 pm UTC (link)
I got the talk right before I got married. Oh, mom. Actually, I'm pretty sure that I had whined about the very safe banana in sex ed, so she knew I at least knew what it was. My dad.... well, the mind boggles.

MY kids, on the other hand, have had age-appropriate picture books all along, and we will absolutely answer any sex question at least to what we think the question actually is. 3 months ago I got to explain what lesbians do, since they don't have penises. This caused me to put more emphasis on non-penetrative sex.

I belong to a UCC church partly because they do the Our Whole Lives curriculum, which integrates sexuality and self-respect with a whole lot of honesty. At church. This month I will put skin in the game by going and talking to middle schoolers about being bisexual. I am not sure who will find this weirder, but I bet it's me. Talking about sex. At church.

Dear earthling: good point about the banana. Yum.

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2010-11-02 04:54 pm UTC (link)
Am teaching OWL at a UU church right now! ::waves:: Are you participating in the panel? *g* We will be doing that on the 14th.

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2010-11-02 04:26 pm UTC (link)
I've been answering questions about sex with a little too much information since my kids were babies. Teenboy indicates that I was reasonably helpful.

I'm also rather smug about explaining that the reason people take drugs is that they feel really amazingly good, but that it's still not worth it.

And I tell them to save swear words for when they are appropriate to the situation rather than wasting them.

Other stuff I have less of a clue about...

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[personal profile] thefourthvine
2010-11-02 06:48 pm UTC (link)
I'm also rather smug about explaining that the reason people take drugs is that they feel really amazingly good, but that it's still not worth it.

Oh, man. I'm not looking forward to that one, because what can I say? "Yes, I did all kinds of drugs, and while I put myself unnecessarily at risk in all kinds of ways, I managed to come through okay. But that doesn't mean you will, so, um, please don't go there?" I mean, I have the arguments! I've got the dead friends to tell him about! The stories about prisons full of people who did nothing but smoke a little pot! But it's just really hard to convince a kid to do as you say, rather than as you did. I'm worried about it.

Other stuff I have less of a clue about...

Yeah. I hear that. I mean, talking about sex is WAY easier than planning birthday parties. I don't know what my sister's deal is. (She plans GREAT birthday parties. Surely a woman who can do that can talk about sex with her kids!)

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[personal profile] vass
2010-11-02 04:29 pm UTC (link)
Things I learned from sex ed in school: how to put a diaphragm on your head and pretend it's a yarmulke. Unfortunately, the girl responsible for this revelation didn't even know the word 'yarmulke', so she called it a 'Jewish cap'.

Other things I learned from sex ed in school: when Matron told you that if any girl in the class was afraid to say the word 'penis' or 'vagina', she would order that girl to stand on top of her desk and shout the word in question? That was not an idle threat. This may have been distracting to the class studying geography next door.

Things I learned from my parents' sex ed: my parents have NO BOUNDARIES AT ALL, NOT EVEN A LITTLE BIT. And possibly started too early - while it's okay to answer questions as soon as they come up, The Talk itself should be reserved for when the child is old enough to remember the details, unless you're prepared to repeat it (my parents weren't - they assumed I retained more than I in fact did. In my defence, I was not yet four.)

Other things I learned from my parents' sex ed: I was clear about my sexuality from a very early age. I think I was six or so when I was in the car with my mother and she'd mentioned that someone (a cleaner? my father's research assistant?) was homosexual (my mother's word.) I asked "What does homosexual mean?" My mother said "It means liking your own sex better than the opposite sex." I said "Then I'm a homosexual! I like girls better than boys!" My mother said "We'll see. It's a bit early for you to decide that yet." As it turned out, I was right.

USE CONDOMS IF YOU HAVE SEX, Z! YOUR MOTHER WILL SUPPLY THEM! OR I WILL ALSO BE HAPPY TO!

I have a suggestion. When Z is old enough, have a bowl of condoms in a quiet area, and quietly restock them when they run out or expire. That way Z won't have to ask his mother or his auntie.

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2010-11-02 06:53 pm UTC (link)
Things I learned from sex ed in school: how to put a diaphragm on your head and pretend it's a yarmulke. Unfortunately, the girl responsible for this revelation didn't even know the word 'yarmulke', so she called it a 'Jewish cap'.

I learned you can put a condom on over your head! (The Planned Parenthood said, "And if anyone ever tells you his penis is TOO BIG for a condom, I want you to remember this moment." And then she pulled the condom over her head. Although later she did say we shouldn't try that at home because of the risk of suffocation.)

She also wore the diaphragm as a hat, but she didn't call it a yarmulke. For which I am grateful.

Other things I learned from sex ed in school: when Matron told you that if any girl in the class was afraid to say the word 'penis' or 'vagina', she would order that girl to stand on top of her desk and shout the word in question? That was not an idle threat.

I kind of love that, but I can also picture how absolutely HORRIBLE it would have been for me as a kid, so...

I have a suggestion. When Z is old enough, have a bowl of condoms in a quiet area, and quietly restock them when they run out or expire. That way Z won't have to ask his mother or his auntie.

This what I've been advocating. As I pointed out to my sister, that way his friends can use them, too. Just that many more pregnancies and disease prevented! Plus, they can blow them up and decorate with them. (My sister did this for one of her parties, and I helped her blow up the condoms. She got lubricated ones. That is one purpose for which you want an UNlubricated condom, just FYI. Ew.)

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[personal profile] anotherslashfan
2010-11-02 04:50 pm UTC (link)
This is an incredibly funny story;) I'm once again appalled that an essential part of sex ed is left out in many schools in the States - thankfully, nobody over here who thinks endangering young people like this is the right way to go has the power to actually make it happen (politically). Well, I'm counting my blessings.

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[personal profile] thefourthvine
2010-11-02 06:56 pm UTC (link)
It really is immensely depressing. Of course, there are places where people would actually prefer their teenage kids HAVE kids, rather than use birth control.

Seriously. One of the women BB works with is a grandmother, and she and her daughter-in-law walked in on her teenaged granddaughter having sex with her boyfriend. And the mother STILL refused to get her on birth control. "I don't want to give her carte blanche," she said. No, lady, that's not it; you just want to make sure she's punished for any fun she might have. Said girl is, of course, now pregnant. At 16. By a guy in his late twenties with no high school diploma and one other kid already. Awesome!

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