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So, Delicious is not exactly tasty, at least not right now. I have a Pinboard. (Although I am, yes, totally the kind of fan who responds to the Fans Are All Right with, "What, are you crazy? KIRK doesn't drill SPOCK. Spock does all the drilling there is to do, my good sir.") And I have hope that Delicious may eventually reach some kind of functionality again.

But in the meantime, I thought I would try to go back to the way we used to do things before Delicious. Recs! Really! We used to make these lists that had links in them, and sometimes we would put notes to explain why we liked them, and it was very - no, really, it worked. Where are you all going?

So I am throwing caution to the winds and recommending stuff. The theme for this set turned out to be Awesome Stories That for Some Reason Made Me Uncomfortable, but It Turned out I Loved Them Anyway. I - will probably not be adding this as an actual tag, on account of the tag system would just laugh in my face. But there's a theme! And a recs set! Today, we are partying like it's 2006, baby.

The One in Which We Ask Ourselves: When Will Villains Finally Learn That Kidnapping Tony Stark Only Leads to Sorrow and Explosions? Kidnap Someone Else, That Is My Advice to the Ambitious Marvel Villain. Tomorrow Belongs to Me, by [livejournal.com profile] valtyr. Thor and Captain America and Iron Man, Steve Rogers/Tony Stark.

(WARNING: Animal harm, and animal death. I dealt with this by a) telling myself that they were really extradimensional evil creatures that simply looked like animals, and b) skipping the bad bits. It worked, and I believe it was worth it. However, I cannot in good conscience recommend this to anyone who shares my squick. If you want to give it a go anyway, though, I will be happy to tell you when to skip.)

I realize I'm perhaps in for a pillorying, but one of the reasons I sometimes want to slash a particular character is that I really cannot believe that any woman, anywhere should have to put up with him. My feeling about this small subset of guys tends to be: This is a dudely problem. Let dudes handle it. And perhaps the foremost example of this kind of character is Tony Stark.

See, I like Tony. But he's an asshole. (This dichotomy is fully explored in the story, let me just note.) He's such an asshole I could never feel entirely good about him ending up with Pepper Pott, who surely did not deserve that level of bullshit in her life. I just knew that sooner or later he'd, like, inadvertently fuck the entire U.S. Supreme Court on public television and then make a fist of triumph and shout, "FUCK YEAH, motion OVERTURNED!" for the cameras, and she'd be left dealing with the aftermath. So after I watched the first movie, the only romantic happy ending I could see in sight was Tony/robot sex machine, and that's not really fan fiction; that's canon. (Which is not to say I wouldn't read it. I would! I have! Happily! But it just isn't the same when it's canon.)

But I am entirely willing to pair Steve Rogers up with Tony Stark, turns out. And not just because it turns out their true love is the key to saving the universe. (No, really, there is actual canon documentation of this.) Steve Rogers is a good guy, sure - basically the archetypal good guy, good in absolutely every single way. And he has had, you know, a hard life - a couple years of WWII followed by being dead for a while, and then waking up and having to deal with Tony Stark. And yet I am happy to see him really dealing with Tony Stark, if you get my drift.

And not just because Steve makes Tony ask himself the hard questions. (Like, "Why is it always my fault? Is there something I'm doing? That I could perhaps not do?" Believe it or not, a lot of people get to middle age without ever once considering this. We call these people politicians, mostly, but I guess maverick billionaire CEOs might also fit the bill.) I also love this story because of Steve, adjusting to the 21st century, and Thor, being - you know, Thor. And General Fury, who is generally the lone adult in charge of the circus. (A circus, I might add, where the acts are, like, Nuclear Knife Juggling and Stampeding Elephant Riding.) There is a lot to love here, is my point. Go love it! Do mind the warnings, though.

The One That I Totally Forgive for Suggesting That Librarians Are Actually Quiet. The Barest Hint of a Thought, by [archiveofourown.org profile] Helens78. X-Men: First Class, Charles Xavier/Erik Lehnsherr.

You know how sometimes there is something you just cannot watch, but you have to or at least you want to, so you watch through your fingers, as though you can somehow, if things go bad, close them fast enough to stop yourself from seeing what made you want to close your fingers?

That's pretty much how I read this story. It's also what this story is about.

I mean, I was actually, seriously horrified through a lot of this story. "See?" I wanted to say to the imaginary band of critics that lives in the back of my head, disagreeing with every word I say. "See? This is what is so evil about telepathy."

The imaginary band of critics pointed out that that was insane, of course. Because there's no such thing as telepathy. So instead of using this story to justify my perfectly logical and rational fear of telepaths, I will say: this is why Charles Xavier was a character Marvel should never have made. He's ridiculously overpowered. Ridiculously. He's a god. Except he could do a lot more than fuck Leda in the shape of a swan. Basically, in any universe in which Charles Xavier exists, the only real conflicts are the ones in his own head.

"But he's good!" you say. "He has morals and he chooses not to use his powers for evil and that's why he can work as a character."

Right. Yes. And, I mean, I love Charles, I love Charles/Erik, I have been reading about Charles and Erik since long before I got into fandom, but. Here's the thing. The excuse they use for having Xavier around - Morals! Goodness! - doesn't actually work. And this story explains why - why having someone so ludicrously powerful destroys the framework of the universe whether he's Charles Xavier or Sauron with the One Ring securely on his bony little hand.

I mean, yes, this story is also a fabulous exploration of consent issues, and kink, and all the stuff I've come to expect from [personal profile] helens78, and, yes, it's like a fairy tale for adults only (moral: if you take the shortcut to your goal, you will likely get your head eaten), but I'm in it for the simple question of whether there is any meaning to anything if Charles Xavier exists. (No.) Definitely read the tags and warnings, but if you can possibly stand it, read this story.

And then join me, won't you, in the fight against telepathy? (And the fight against the imaginary critics. I'd like to wipe them out, too.)

The One That Shows Us That Fish, Too, Can Meet Cute. What It Feels Like, by [personal profile] cimorene. Finding Nemo, Gill/Nemo.

FISH SLASH. Between mentor fish and mentored fish, I might add, just in case fish aren't a problem for you, but age differences are. (And, yes, I can think of several people off the top of my head who will look at this all, "YES FINDING NEMO - oh, wait. Big age difference. No." This is #31 on the list of reasons I love fandom, just below "Not the only catboy story I've read today" and just above "Can't really remember the days when I thought snake MPreg was out there.") A measure of my discomfort with this story is that it took me two years to read it. (And during those two years, the earthling went through a Nemo phase. That didn't help. Parents of babies, read this story now, that's my advice.)

So. You know. Fish slash. That happened. And the thing is, it's fucking adorable. Nemo is the same intent, curious, determined fish he was in the movie. Gill is the same badass in fish form. All the voices in this, in fact, are absolutely perfect. And, I mean, I can absolutely believe this ending. (And in fact would greatly prefer to believe this ending over the one the movie gave us, which horrifies me every time I watch it. Nemo is home and happy! Marlin is home and happy! Dory is home and happy! And the fishtank fish are trapped in plastic and about to die. Seriously, Pixar, it's like you're trying to take the coveted Destroyer of Children's Happiness mantle from Disney's clutching hands.) And why shouldn't two boy fishes who love each other very much be happy ever after in a story that earns its explicit rating?

Just. I find myself eyeing the earthling's DVDs with trepidation, now. When awesome and adorable fish slash is already old news, what comes next? Is Bob the Builder going to show us some of the special short films on his computer, which feature uses for his equipment that totally void their warranties? Are the Penguins of Madagascar going to provide a whole new perspective on four-way teamwork with a strict chain of command? Are Eve and Otto going to get caught in a bad romance, leaving Wall-E to find consolation in the arms of Mo? Anything is possible. Anything.

But this story is worth the mental images that will never leave my head, I tell you what. It's just. Cute. Cuter than fish having sex has any right to be.

The One That Shows Exactly How Irritating Arguing with Someone Who Can Apparate Must Be. Getting the Last Word Must Be an Art Form in the Wizarding World. The Death of Narcissa Black: A Potion, by [livejournal.com profile] massicot. (That's a deleted and purged journal, unfortunately. Does anyone have a more current link for her?) Harry Potter, gen.

Oh my GOD. This is. Okay. You know how there are stories that you settle into happily, because you know the author and you know the fandom and you know the genre and you just know this is going to hit you square in your comfort zone? This is not that story for me. It is outside my comfort zone in absolutely every way - the artwork, while gorgeous and perfect for the story, is really far from what I can usually parse. The main character is a villain from a fandom I don't read that much in anymore. The storyline is dark and grim. And yet. And yet. This story is also an excellent example of why I'm in love with fandom.

See, this takes a minor villain (or at least I think she is; she may have a more major role in the two books that came after I gave up on the series) and makes her into a real person, a person with some remarkably unfortunate ideals and some remarkably positive traits. And then it carefully, clearly, and beautifully details how those ideals combine with circumstance to wipe out the positive traits, not to mention basically every trace of who Narcissa was.

It's so amazing, and so perfect, and so unlike anything else I've read in fandom, that I re-read it on a regular basis even though there are some pages - um, a fair number of pages - that still make me genuinely recoil from the screen. (Really. Please pay attention to the warnings. She is not kidding about any of that.)

So, you know, this is incredible. It's also just about the darkest thing I've ever seen written for a darkfest. (Not that I am inviting further links on that score. Uh, no. Feel free to hand me the white feather on this one; I will wear it with, if not pride, at least total acceptance of my limitations.)

But even if this is normally the kind of thing you would walk a mile in wet shoes to avoid - well. I can't tell you to read it. But I can tell you I read it, despite the warnings, against my better judgment, and I was totally, totally glad. It's the kind of story that makes me want to applaud for fandom. Even as, okay, yes, I am reaching for a safety tab story.


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ct: a shooting star (ME: star)


[personal profile] ct
2011-10-10 06:56 am UTC (link)
So, you know, this is incredible. It's also just about the darkest thing I've ever seen written for a darkfest.

Seconded. On both counts. When I read this for the first time (just the other day, actually), whoever sent me the link sent me directly to the story, bypassing the page on LJ with the warnings. I had no idea whatsoever that it had been written for a darkfest. Amazingly well done, but ouch.

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[personal profile] thefourthvine
2011-10-10 08:24 pm UTC (link)
I actually have the direct story link in my saved bookmarks, but I dug up the cover page on LJ to rec it just because - oh god reading that without WARNINGS. I cannot even imagine. Yes, amazing. Also DARK OMG.

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[personal profile] silver_spotted
2011-10-10 07:14 am UTC (link)
I always enjoy reading your recs, whether or not it sounds like the fic will be my kinda thing (sometimes they are! even better)

I felt compelled to comment today though because several discussions at [livejournal.com profile] fanficrants have led me to believe that there is actually a pretty active Penguins of Madagascar fic fandom. The more you know?

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[personal profile] thefourthvine
2011-10-10 08:27 pm UTC (link)
I - seriously? I mean, okay, I guess I can see that there are, you know, relationship possibilities - the Skipper and King Julien, in particular, appear to have something going on. And yet. PENGUINS. I desperately want recs, and yet I'm afraid I would never recover.

Still. I have learned something!

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[personal profile] samvara
2011-10-10 07:34 am UTC (link)
I AM SO WITH YOU ON THE X-MEN THING.

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[personal profile] thefourthvine
2011-10-10 08:28 pm UTC (link)
YAY THANK YOU.

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[personal profile] lea_hazel
2011-10-10 08:14 am UTC (link)
Great, now I really want bee-fic.

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[personal profile] feanna
2011-10-10 08:52 am UTC (link)
And I felt the impulse to remind everybody of the SGA hothouse AU where John and Rodney are a sunflower and a tulip and if I remember this right there were totally pollen involved.

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[personal profile] torachan
2011-10-10 08:29 am UTC (link)
drwahejkwlhejkwhaekjqwhejwq

I love The Death of Narcissa Black so so SO much. I just went and read it again now that you linked it. It's so powerful and amazing.

Narcissa never really became a major character in canon, but she became an interesting character, and I really like stories about her (and about her and Lucius).

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[personal profile] thefourthvine
2011-10-10 08:32 pm UTC (link)
It is such an amazing story. Darker than dark, but so, so incredible.

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[personal profile] andraste
2011-10-10 08:37 am UTC (link)
Basically, in any universe in which Charles Xavier exists, the only real conflicts are the ones in his own head.

But if Charles didn't exist, then there would be THE AGE OF APOCALYPSE. Or some other, less capitalised apocalypse that would be equally bad.

Also, if he had never been invented, I might never have started writing fanfic. I would certainly sit around feeling a sad sense of emptiness that I would be at a lost to explain.

(Reposted because I fail at html.)

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[personal profile] thefourthvine
2011-10-10 08:37 pm UTC (link)
Also, if he had never been invented, I might never have started writing fanfic. I would certainly sit around feeling a sad sense of emptiness that I would be at a lost to explain.

THAT IS REASON ENOUGH FOR CHARLES XAVIER, I do believe!

And, I mean, I'm happy they created him. I just think Marvel has no clue exactly how terrifying and overpowered Xavier IS.

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[personal profile] ratcreature
2011-10-10 08:50 am UTC (link)
[livejournal.com profile] massicot doesn't have an LJ anymore but her art site has a blog for her illustration work:
http://winkout.com/wordpress/

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[personal profile] thefourthvine
2011-10-10 08:40 pm UTC (link)
Oh, thank you! Do you happen to know if she wants fannish links to that blog, or if she'd rather not? I hesitate to link someone's fannish work with her work blog unless it's clear she doesn't mind.

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[personal profile] metaphortunate
2011-10-10 01:52 pm UTC (link)
The death of del.icio.us has one hell of a silver lining if it makes you star posting recs again!

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[personal profile] thefourthvine
2011-10-10 08:42 pm UTC (link)
I am taking it as a sign from above that it is Time for Recs! At least until Delicious gets its head out of its code.

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[personal profile] sinensis
2011-10-10 03:23 pm UTC (link)
yay, recs!

hey, if you really don't mind--I have Tomorrow Belongs To Me bookmarked, but I haven't read it yet, and I am seriously disturbed (ha, yes, well) by animal harm. I would love any guidance you have to offer about where to look away from the screen, so to speak.

This is a dudely problem. Let dudes handle it.

I have this subset of characters, too, and Tony definitely belongs in it. (Run AWAAAAAY, Pepper Potts, just run away.)

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[personal profile] thefourthvine
2011-10-11 03:29 am UTC (link)
Okay, so for Tomorrow Belongs to Me:

First one starts when you see the words "...he'd just almost broken his neck on a hillside for no reason at all but that it had seemed - fun." Stop reading there, go down two paragraphs, and start reading again at "You'll join us for our dinner, won't you Captain?"

The second (and worst one) you need to get through without even skimming. When you read the words ""Sure," he said, and turned to walk beside Fury." (Just before this, there's a reference to hunting wolves, so you'll know to be expecting the stop. I can also tell you where to stop before that, if you don't even want to see the reference.)

Either way, STOP READING THERE. Don't look past the white space; instead, use ctrl-f to find the phrase "Rhodey eyed it." (Without quotation marks.) That should take you to the top of the part where you can start reading again; the full sentence, just to be sure, is: "Okay, so what now?" Rhodey eyed it. "Doesn't seem like we can carry him back." That is, by the way, in reference to a live and unharmed wolf.

If animal harm bothers you, the first one might not be a problem; it's about nithings, which look like dogs but really are evil demons, and also it's less explicit - your call on how you'll handle that. The second one will really bother you - it bothered the hell out of me, and I only skimmed - and I advise you to skip it.

Run AWAAAAAY, Pepper Potts, just run away.

YES EXACTLY. One of the things I love about this story is that it is clear that Pepper figured this out and moved on and HAS A LIFE without Tony. Because, seriously, no woman should have to put up with him. And, also, Steve Rogers appears to be the right man for that job.

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[personal profile] sothcweden
2011-10-10 03:43 pm UTC (link)
Your response to The Fans Are All Right cracked me up.

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[personal profile] thefourthvine
2011-10-11 03:34 am UTC (link)
It is the TRUE and RIGHT reaction, I am convinced of this. *waves banner on which Spock is drilling Kirk*

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[personal profile] celli
2011-10-10 03:56 pm UTC (link)
a) Yes all that about Tony Stark! That's one of the best things about many best things in that story, Steve just being like, hi, you're a douchebag, PAY ATTENTION. (And how he gets Tony to pay attention is AWESOME.)

b) My friend Caro likes to talk about fishslash a lot, particularly that pairing. She feels immensely validated. :)

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[personal profile] thefourthvine
2011-10-11 03:40 am UTC (link)
a) I know. SO AWESOME. It's like the equation is: Tony + Steve + Lots of Work = Decent Human Being. ONLY A SUPER SOLDIER COULD MANAGE IT.

b) Suddenly I feel a great urge to meet this Caro. I bet she is LOTS OF FUN.

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[personal profile] paxpinnae
2011-10-10 07:10 pm UTC (link)
And, yes, I can think of several people off the top of my head who will look at this all, "YES FINDING NEMO - oh, wait. Big age difference. No."

I am one of those people, so, thank you for that! It really is astounding how fandom helps you find your line. Slask? Okay! Dubcon slash? Okay! Dubcon slash about people who have dog-like penises? ... Okay. Dubcon slash between a rainbow and a sunbeam? ... O-kay. But a mentor/mentee relationship? OH GOD NO TAKE IT AWAAAAYYYYYYYY.

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[personal profile] thefourthvine
2011-10-11 03:44 am UTC (link)
YOU HAVE ALL MY SYMPATHY. Once, many years ago, I read a really great story - and it was het, and I have a hard time finding great het, so I was doubly excited - and I went to see what else the author had written. And I was like - oh, god, this is like a complete list of all het mentor/mentored relationships in existence! NO I CANNOT I CANNOT. I mean, I am delighted for that author, who has clearly found her area of interest, but I suspect I only managed to read that one story by her because I had no idea who any of the characters were.

But, but, I have to ask. Have you really read dubcon slash between a rainbow and a sunbeam? Because if so, OMG LINK PLEASE.

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[personal profile] hollyberries
2011-10-11 12:46 am UTC (link)
I had to stop reading the Narcissa story and go cry in the middle. Thank you for that rec, and now I'm going to read that Tony/Steve fic because it sounds like it will cheer me up.

There's a new-ish XMFC fic collab-ed by Lavvyan and Berlinghoff that's utterly gorgeous and has Charles as a tree and Erik as a phoenix. The artwork's so delightful, you should definitely read it.

... I may have just recc'ed something on a rec post. Sorry if that's a breach of etiquette. Um. Shutting up now.

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[personal profile] thefourthvine
2011-10-11 03:46 am UTC (link)
Um - sorry? It's a really good story! But, yes, definitely SO FUCKING DISTRESSING. Safety tab time!

And recommending something on a recs post is the HEIGHT of good taste. It's part of what recs posts are for! And thank you, because I totally have not read that one, and obviously my life will never be complete until I do.

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[personal profile] concinnity
2011-10-11 02:59 am UTC (link)
(And, yes, I can think of several people off the top of my head who will look at this all, "YES FINDING NEMO - oh, wait. Big age difference. No.".

THIS. THIS IS ME. Because I have totally hunted down all of cimorene's stuff because she is amazing, but I totally stopped at the age difference. It is about CONSENT, okay? *twitch* I'm willing to give a try, though, if you say it is okay. With my hand on the safety tab.

Also I am like 98% sure I have seen Bob the Builder fic.

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[personal profile] thefourthvine
2011-10-11 03:48 am UTC (link)
KEEP THAT HAND ON THE SAFETY TAB. It is a great story. And I managed, despite the age difference, which is normally one of my medium-sized squicks. (Why, yes, I do rank them by size and fierceness. Actually, I think of them as the Squick Army, a group of hideous mutants with slavering fangs and multiple heads and suckery tentacles, all fighting to RUIN MY FUN.) But I cannot say for sure that you will. COURAGE! And a ready hand on the safety tab.

I. Bob the Builder fic. I just... There are times when I am simultaneously in love with and horrified by fandom.

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[personal profile] azurelunatic
2011-10-11 12:56 pm UTC (link)
This is a dudely problem. Let dudes handle it. And perhaps the foremost example of this kind of character is Tony Stark.

YES YES YES.

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[personal profile] thefourthvine
2011-10-11 03:23 pm UTC (link)
THANK YOU.

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[personal profile] out_there
2011-10-11 10:00 pm UTC (link)
Memo to self: do not read TFV while drinking hot liquids of any kind. If you do, you'll come across phrases like "This is a dudely problem. Let dudes handle it. And perhaps the foremost example of this kind of character is Tony Stark." and then nearly choke while trying not to spray said liquids across your keyboard.

Also, I've missed your recs. I've missed recs that have phrases like "He's a god. Except he could do a lot more than fuck Leda in the shape of a swan."

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[personal profile] metaphortunate
2011-10-13 10:48 am UTC (link)
Damn, these are great! Especially the Steve /Tony &the Bellatrix Black ones!

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[personal profile] cesy
2011-11-06 08:15 pm UTC (link)
I love reading your recs - they brighten my day.

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[identity profile] delurker.livejournal.com
2011-10-10 08:15 am UTC (link)
Pinboard! Such a delightful welcome post. :) I don't think I've ever seen anyone so happy to see fans suddenly appear.


Re: What It Feels Like - I'm still not sure how anyone managed to a) write explicit fish slash, and also b) do it so well. Fandom! How so skilled? And the art in that last one is incredible.

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[identity profile] thefourthvine.livejournal.com
2011-10-10 08:25 pm UTC (link)
I am still fairly mystified by the explict fish slash myself. It's good! Fans are amazing, is what that proves.

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ext_7850: by ev_vy (Kirk)


[identity profile] giandujakiss.livejournal.com
2011-10-10 08:18 am UTC (link)
What, are you crazy? KIRK doesn't drill SPOCK. Spock does all the drilling there is to do, my good sir.

I swear to god, that was my reaction, as well.

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[identity profile] thefourthvine.livejournal.com
2011-10-10 08:28 pm UTC (link)
THANK GOD. I actually quoted the post at [identity profile] frostfire-17.livejournal.com, solely because I knew she would react the same way. I DID NOT WANT TO BE ALONE. But I should have had more faith in fandom. Of course I wasn't the only person who knew instinctively that that was wrong, wrong, wrong.

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[identity profile] rosaleendhu.livejournal.com
2011-10-10 09:09 am UTC (link)
Thank you! I'd forgotten just how good you are at getting me to read outside the fandoms I know and love. I know exactly how I am avoiding my graduation project tomorrow.

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[identity profile] thefourthvine.livejournal.com
2011-10-10 08:29 pm UTC (link)
I am here to assist you in your procrastinatory endeavors!

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[identity profile] xparrot.livejournal.com
2011-10-10 11:39 am UTC (link)
Heh - I've always loved Xavier because he's always been such a gray, gray, gray shade of morality - I've always seen him as creepy and scary and fascinating for it. Who he is might be a good man; but what he is is so terrifying that really for the good of humanity he ought to have been executed, because no one, no matter how decent, is decent enough to wield that ability - absolute power, etc, etc. But he's still an awesome and compelling character.

I loved the First Class movie for showcasing that scary wrongness while still making him irresistibly charming. And the fic did a brilliant job of it as well (Charles & Erik are so perfectly matched; they deserve each other in all the right and wrong ways...)

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[identity profile] thefourthvine.livejournal.com
2011-10-10 08:31 pm UTC (link)
Yes, exactly! One of the things that drove me crazy, back when I was reading the comic books, is that they failed to acknowledge that Xavier is, as you say, gray, gray, gray, gray. At least when I was reading, the comic books did not seem to get how frightening Xavier really was. Helens78, on the other hand, totally does.

(I admit I haven't seen the movie, though. I plan to! At some point! Having a small child has seriously affected my movie watching.)

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[identity profile] impatient-dream.livejournal.com
2011-10-10 01:55 pm UTC (link)
*When awesome and adorable fish slash is already old news, what comes next?*

I've found, in fandom, that that's an extremely dangerous question to ask:

http://crimsonclad.livejournal.com/128460.html

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[identity profile] thefourthvine.livejournal.com
2011-10-10 08:37 pm UTC (link)
Oh, god, I had forgotten about that! It is WONDERFUL. (The first time I read it required some hasty googling to determine who Grimace and Hamburgler were, followed by horrified recoiling because Ronald McDonald is the most terrifying creature in existence (http://awkwardfamilyphotos.com/2011/09/26/happy-meal/).) So touching! THE TRAGEDY BEHIND THE BURGERS.

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[identity profile] hannahrorlove.livejournal.com
2011-10-10 02:51 pm UTC (link)
I didn't see The Death of Narcissa Black as all that dark. I've read all the books, so I went into it knowing how it'd turn out in the end, which made it less of a darkfic and more of a classic tragedy - I felt more and more pity and sorrow for her as her life continued to narrow down into its inevitable conclusion.

(And yes, there's Bob the Builder slash out there. I've seen it in the form of a crossover with the Engineer character from the videogame Team Fortress 2. Some days I think a lot of fandom activity is done out of a sense of competition.)

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[identity profile] thefourthvine.livejournal.com
2011-10-10 08:39 pm UTC (link)
I pretty much agree with the creator's statement that the obliteration of self is about as dark as it gets. I mean, obviously this is a YMMV situation, but for me OH GOD THE DARKNESS. And not just for Narcissa - Bellatrix's insanity and self-mutilation are dark dark dark for me, too.

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[identity profile] tavella.livejournal.com
2011-10-10 06:12 pm UTC (link)
The [livejournal.com profile] valtyr fic is _so good_. I feel guilty because I haven't left a comment yet, because I feel like I need to go into elaborate detail about how awesome it is.

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[identity profile] thefourthvine.livejournal.com
2011-10-10 08:41 pm UTC (link)
It really is fantastic. I just left kudos; I am never able to convey the awesomeness in actually commenty words.

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