thefourthvine: I wanna know what love is; I want you to show me.

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@ 2007-09-19 09:12 am UTC

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I wanna know what love is; I want you to show me.

Older fandoms, you confuse me so. The story I'm reading right now has piercing gazes, searing gazes, cuddling, comforting, lengthy descriptions of eyes that change color (Green! Hazel! Gold! No, I'm not kidding - really, gold, and this isn't the right fandom for him to have been implanted with a Goa'uld.), marriage proposals, men of action sharing their feelings in astonishing detail and with great (sometimes searing) honesty, a guy telling another guy how beautiful he is, holding hands, kissing, and two adult men (of action!) with extensive disposable incomes living together and sharing a bed.

And it's gen.*

I am patiently waiting for the mutual declarations of eternal love while hugging (or crying; I'd totally take crying) in the rain. Then, and only then, will I be able to stop reading.

So, does anyone have a story from an older fandom to recommend to me? You people have mostly been at this longer than me - surely you've got some nice gen or slash story favorite from a pre-LJ fandom that you could link me to. Gen or slash welcome - especially gen that I can read as gen. Seriously. Save me from myself. And this story. I am just bewildered, here.

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* Another gen story in the same fandom (but by a different person) features a noted canonical horndog turning down NSA sex with a beautiful woman because he's in love with someone else - that someone being, of course, the guy who is his Entirely Not Slashy Totally Hetero Life Partner. (It also had a paragraph about their great and abiding love, and the Totally Hetero Life Partner isn't even in the story. Nor is there any explanation of why the THLP would want his "friend" to turn down the sex - I mean, seriously, it was just presented as "this is what you do when you're in love with your THLP, forswear sex and cleave only unto him, but in a straight and manly way." I guess I am just not straight enough to understand that.) And the author's note contained a diatribe against slash. Oh, my people.

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	no subject darthfox.livejournal.com 2007-09-19 04:24 pm UTC (link)
	Do we get to guess the fandom? Twenty bucks on The Sentinel. :-) (Reply to this) (Thread) (Hide 57 comments) (Show 57 comments)

	no subject nestra.livejournal.com 2007-09-19 04:27 pm UTC (link)
	I vote for Starsky and Hutch. Though the changing eyes could totally be Doyle's, if she's reading Pros. (Reply to this) (Thread from start) (Parent) (Thread) (Hide 23 comments) (Show 23 comments)

	no subject joandarck.livejournal.com 2007-09-19 04:30 pm UTC (link)
	Green, hazel, and gold could be Star Trek -- there are a lot of gold eyes in Star Trek. (Reply to this) (Thread from start) (Parent) (Thread) (Hide 11 comments) (Show 11 comments)

	no subject meresy.livejournal.com 2007-09-19 04:33 pm UTC (link)
	Could even be early Due South. Ray Vecchio's eyes get that treatment sometimes. g (Reply to this) (Thread from start) (Parent) (Thread) (Hide 2 comments) (Show 2 comments)

	no subject joandarck.livejournal.com 2007-09-19 04:39 pm UTC (link)
	Ha, yeah... but there's no one in Due South I'd describe as "a noted canonical horndog." Both Rays do try to date women from time to time, but no more often than normal, and possibly less. (Reply to this) (Thread from start) (Parent) (Thread) (Hide 1 comment) (Show 1 comment)

	no subject meresy.livejournal.com 2007-09-19 04:45 pm UTC (link)
	Exactly, which I realized after I read it. But you never know what an anti-slash Hetero Lifemate fic writer is going to come out with. Possibly I was also projecting my F/V issues. I mean, they're clearly smitten, but I also don't think they're Doing It, you know? Heh. (Reply to this) (Thread from start) (Parent)

	no subject meresy.livejournal.com 2007-09-19 04:34 pm UTC (link)
	Of course, the addendum precludes that. :-P (Reply to this) (Thread from start) (Parent) (Thread) (Hide 4 comments) (Show 4 comments)

	no subject joandarck.livejournal.com 2007-09-19 04:37 pm UTC (link)
	Wait, how so? "a noted canonical horndog turning down NSA sex with a beautiful woman because he's in love with someone else - that someone being, of course, the guy who is his Entirely Not Slashy Totally Hetero Life Partner." -- that sounds like Kirk and Spock to me... (Reply to this) (Thread from start) (Parent) (Thread) (Hide 3 comments) (Show 3 comments)

	no subject meresy.livejournal.com 2007-09-19 04:39 pm UTC (link)
	You never know, with these crossovers. ;-) (Reply to this) (Thread from start) (Parent)

	no subject damned-colonial.livejournal.com 2007-09-21 12:27 am UTC (link)
	Wait wait wait. I totally lose. I read "NSA" as the No Such Agency, you know, the ones who listen to your phone calls. So I was getting all confused about how it could be an old-school fandom but still have wiretapping spies in it. headdesk OK I get it now. (Reply to this) (Thread from start) (Parent) (Thread) (Hide 1 comment) (Show 1 comment)

	no subject joandarck.livejournal.com 2007-09-21 02:22 am UTC (link)
	So I was getting all confused about how it could be an old-school fandom but still have wiretapping spies in it. Wild Wild West could do that! Oh, the beautiful world of steampunk. (Reply to this) (Thread from start) (Parent)

	no subject chvickers.livejournal.com 2007-09-25 08:18 pm UTC (link)
	Kirk gets that ALL THE TIME, and ten years ago it was worse. The Golden Boy, golden hair, golden eyes - you think he was an Academy Award. And Spock comes as close to a THLP as any character in any canon. (Reply to this) (Thread from start) (Parent) (Thread) (Hide 2 comments) (Show 2 comments)

	no subject joandarck.livejournal.com 2007-09-26 02:35 am UTC (link)
	Icon love! (Reply to this) (Thread from start) (Parent) (Thread) (Hide 1 comment) (Show 1 comment)

	no subject chvickers.livejournal.com 2007-09-26 10:35 am UTC (link)
	You'll find it and more here (http://echosphere.net/star_trek_icons/star_trek_icons.html). (Reply to this) (Thread from start) (Parent)

	no subject thefourthvine.livejournal.com 2007-09-19 04:37 pm UTC (link)
	Can I just say I am a little disturbed by how many fandoms have changing eyes? GOLD changing eyes? (Reply to this) (Thread from start) (Parent) (Thread) (Hide 8 comments) (Show 8 comments)

	no subject meresy.livejournal.com 2007-09-19 04:42 pm UTC (link)
	Hee! It is a little bit strange, isn't it? Then again, my eyes have goldish-bits, and aren't even hazel . . . (Reply to this) (Thread from start) (Parent)

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ratcreature
2007-09-19 04:55 pm UTC (link)

yeah, that disturbs me as well. I ranted at length about the changing eye colors in the past. Though at the top of my list of inappropriately changing eyecolors is still "seafoam green" just because of the really unpleasant associations of dirty, brackish sea water with algae-slime residue... That's only topped by eye color changes according to *mood* rather than some lighting effect. I mean, I guess that could work for some fantasy characters, or Goa'uld or something, but I've never seen human eyes work like a mood ring plastic trinket.

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	no subject boogieshoes.livejournal.com 2007-09-20 06:16 pm UTC (link)
	hazel eyes often change color with mood - and not just the darken/ lighten thing. my eyes are dominant green with bits of gold, but they'll change all the to blue if i'm pissed off enough. -bs (Reply to this) (Thread from start) (Parent) (Thread) (Hide 4 comments) (Show 4 comments)

	no subject boogieshoes.livejournal.com 2007-09-20 06:17 pm UTC (link)
	sorry, that should be all the way to blue. i'm tired, the office is moving, and i've got the headache from hell i'm afraid to take meds for. forgive me. -bs (Reply to this) (Thread from start) (Parent)

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ratcreature
2007-09-20 06:33 pm UTC (link)

How does that work? I mean, it's not like human irises are like chameleon skin afaik, so how do you make the pigmentation change? I mean, my eyes appear different colors as well, although none of that glamorous green-gold thing. Mine just aren't any kind of brilliant clear color in the first place, but more or less brackish variants of blue though there's a small brownish ring around the pupils, so with a couple of rare lighting conditions in they look actually more or less proper blue, against other backdrops more like some kind of dull greyish mud color with a couple of stages inbetween, but nothing I do nor my mood influences them. It would be really cool to be able to make my eyes look a clear blue. I suspect things like eye shadows in certain colors might be a favorable influence on the appearance, but I don't wear make-up so that's out as an option.

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boogieshoes.livejournal.com
2007-09-20 07:18 pm UTC (link)

i don't wear make-up either. i had an ex tell me this, and because i'm a dork, at one point, i spent a lot of time in front of the mirror studying the physical make-up of my eyes. (it must have looked like i was being *entirely* too vain.) the iris bit of my eye looks like it's made up of 'crystals' of gold, green, and blue, and there's a darker blue ring around the outside. this is pretty common in eyes described as hazel - a mix of pigmentations.

i'm only guessing, mind, but i think what's going on is that
1) the different color splotches are different 'patches' of cells and
2) the different patches of cells dilate or contract based on hormones/ chemicals released in various moods - similar to the way the pupil reacts not just to light, but also to mood.

but i'm not a biologist, so i have no idea if that's how it actually works. i just know that when i'm calm, my eyes are dominant-green, and sometimes when i'm worked up, my eyes are dominant cloudy/grey blue. a darker shade of blue - but definately blue.

-bs

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franzeska
2007-10-03 06:18 pm UTC (link)

*wanders by* I can't find any scientific reference to eyes genuinely changing color with mood, but I did see one bit of dubious speculation that it might have to do with blood flow.

What happens to me personally is that my eyes look completely different depending on how much my pupil is dialated. This is common in people with multicolored eyes since we tend to have concentric circles of different colors. Mine have a small area of army green around the pupil with a streaky white and dark blue area intruding on it, all of which is surrounded by a thin, even ring of dark blue-gray. Needless to say, depending on clothing and pupil state, they can look dramatically different. Also, pupils routinely change size much more quickly than hormones would be likely to affect the eye. I suppose a blushing type effect might be to blame, but I'd guess it's all the pupils and how wide you open your eyes.

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	no subject delurker.livejournal.com 2007-09-20 02:03 pm UTC (link)
	To be fair, my eyes change colour depending on the light... (Reply to this) (Thread from start) (Parent)

	no subject fairestcat 2007-09-19 04:51 pm UTC (link)
	Pros was my immediate thought, but that's maybe because my roommate's currently going through a Pros phase and reading a lot of zine-era stuff. (Reply to this) (Thread from start) (Parent) (Thread) (Hide 1 comment) (Show 1 comment)

	no subject cathexys.livejournal.com 2007-09-19 05:03 pm UTC (link)
	Yup, I'm on a Pro reread kick, and that was my first thought. Though I think SH is pretty similar, isn't it? And I have to admit, I just read it differently, i.e., I can read descriptions and tropes in Pros that I'd never ever stomach in SGA... (Reply to this) (Thread from start) (Parent)

	no subject thefourthvine.livejournal.com 2007-09-19 04:36 pm UTC (link)
	Man, why does everyone think TS? has a moment of remembering all the "gen" TS she's read Oh, right, that's why. But, in the defense of those writers, I have to say that much of what I've outlined above could have happened in the canon in TS. Jim and Blair were special that way! (Reply to this) (Thread from start) (Parent) (Thread) (Hide 32 comments) (Show 32 comments)

	no subject shayheyred.livejournal.com 2007-09-19 06:02 pm UTC (link)
	Man From UNCLE. The fandom in which I read a slash story describing Illya's dick as a "rosy-crested ivory tower of lust." (Reply to this) (Thread from start) (Parent) (Thread) (Hide 31 comments) (Show 31 comments)

	no subject laughingacademy.livejournal.com 2007-09-19 06:11 pm UTC (link)
	AAAUUUUUUUGGGGGHHHHHHH! Don’t spring something like that on the unsuspecting comments-reader! bleaches brain (Reply to this) (Thread from start) (Parent) (Thread) (Hide 9 comments) (Show 9 comments)

	no subject shayheyred.livejournal.com 2007-09-19 07:50 pm UTC (link)
	Try READING that in a story by a well-known writer and coming upon it unsuspectingly. I was scarred for life. And we won't even discuss the legendary "Illya as a were-unicorn and Napoleon as a virgin" story. (Reply to this) (Thread from start) (Parent) (Thread) (Hide 7 comments) (Show 7 comments)

	no subject melannen.livejournal.com 2007-09-19 08:41 pm UTC (link)
	... can we at least link to it? Please? (I have a ... thing for Inappropriate Virgin crackfic.) (Reply to this) (Thread from start) (Parent) (Thread) (Hide 2 comments) (Show 2 comments)

	no subject shayheyred.livejournal.com 2007-09-20 12:16 am UTC (link)
	I'll look for it -- but I believe it only exists in a zine. I'll try to find the name of it, at least! (Reply to this) (Thread from start) (Parent) (Thread) (Hide 1 comment) (Show 1 comment)

	no subject melannen.livejournal.com 2007-09-20 01:16 am UTC (link)
	I suppose that would be as good a story as any to start a zine collection with! (Reply to this) (Thread from start) (Parent)

	no subject delurker.livejournal.com 2007-09-20 02:07 pm UTC (link)
	... Were-unicorn? 0.o (Reply to this) (Thread from start) (Parent) (Thread) (Hide 1 comment) (Show 1 comment)

	no subject shayheyred.livejournal.com 2007-09-20 02:53 pm UTC (link)
	I know. O.o (Reply to this) (Thread from start) (Parent)

	no subject derryderrydown.livejournal.com 2007-09-25 07:14 pm UTC (link)
	And yet, I boggled more at Napoleon as a virgin than Illya as a were-unicorn. (Reply to this) (Thread from start) (Parent) (Thread) (Hide 1 comment) (Show 1 comment)

	no subject shayheyred.livejournal.com 2007-09-25 08:36 pm UTC (link)
	:) (Reply to this) (Thread from start) (Parent)

	no subject qe2.livejournal.com 2007-09-20 12:09 am UTC (link)
	SECONDED OMG. (Reply to this) (Thread from start) (Parent)

	no subject brownbetty 2007-09-19 06:15 pm UTC (link)
	Ivory? Does this story have a cryogenics theme? (Reply to this) (Thread from start) (Parent) (Thread) (Hide 9 comments) (Show 9 comments)

	no subject shayheyred.livejournal.com 2007-09-19 07:52 pm UTC (link)
	It may very well have. At that point I believe I lost consciousness, and awoke with no memory of the story except that line. There was a line in a het "10th KIngdom" story (betcha don't know that fandom) that spoke entirely seriously of the main couple "romping repeatedly in the pastures of pleasure." (Reply to this) (Thread from start) (Parent) (Thread) (Hide 8 comments) (Show 8 comments)

	no subject brownbetty 2007-09-19 07:59 pm UTC (link)
	Is that the one where a white dude teaches Arabs about engineering? (Reply to this) (Thread from start) (Parent) (Thread) (Hide 4 comments) (Show 4 comments)

	no subject thefourthvine.livejournal.com 2007-09-19 08:03 pm UTC (link)
	I'm not entirely sure, so don't quote me on this, but I think 10th Kingdom is the one where the woman and her father teach the fairies about magic. Or something. I've read a few stories in it, but have no familiarity with the canon. I don't even know if it was a TV show or a movie or a book or a comic or... (Reply to this) (Thread from start) (Parent) (Thread) (Hide 2 comments) (Show 2 comments)

	no subject m-butterfly.livejournal.com 2007-09-19 10:46 pm UTC (link)
	A miniseries. Actually pretty good, and watchable if for no other reason than the scene where the mushrooms sing A Whiter Shade of Pale. Is the fantabulously smarm fic from an older fandom? Because if it's not, there's a House author I'd be tempted to guess it was. (Reply to this) (Thread from start) (Parent)

	no subject shayheyred.livejournal.com 2007-09-20 12:19 am UTC (link)
	It's a skewed miniseries taken from fairy tales. The hero is the wolf (see icon). (Reply to this) (Thread from start) (Parent)

	no subject derryderrydown.livejournal.com 2007-09-25 07:15 pm UTC (link)
	That's Kingdom of Heaven. (Reply to this) (Thread from start) (Parent)

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mari-redstar.livejournal.com
2007-09-24 11:47 pm UTC (link)

I had never heard of that miniseries until last week, when my roommate and I mainlined it in two nights. Was this fic main-girl and wolf-boy, or what?

I'm not really surprised it's got fandom, come to think of it- I came away from it dizzy, reeling and desperately wanting to write several academic papers about gender presentation. And shipping main-girl and wolf-boy, which I never would have expected at the beginning. (Also, the special effects, while at first blinding, eventually became kinda charming. Awww, they were so excited about CGI, weren't they? Although I could have done without the ring. Creepy.)

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shayheyred.livejournal.com
2007-09-25 02:50 am UTC (link)

THRILLED to hear you've seen it! It was my first online fandom, and the first for which I wrote fic that I let anyone else see...though I've been "fannish" for decades for one thing or another. And yes, I ship Wolf and Virginia, and even stalked Scott Cohen (Wolf) around New York City one summer, because he was in several plays. I was active in the fan club, yadda, yadda, etc. It was also my LAST het fandom...I'm an unrepentent slasher these days.

If you want to look at fanfic, you can try Kingdom's Press, a now-dormant archive chock full of fun things, including that story I referenced early, with the appallingly schmoopy line. I also offer my own 10th Kingdom fic, found on my Website, Chez Shay (http://www.chezshay.net/index2.html), under the menu item "Lambchop and Shepherdess." Hope you enjoy!
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	no subject alixtii.livejournal.com 2007-09-26 09:38 pm UTC (link)
	I remember when it first aired. The evil queen kicked ass. (Reply to this) (Thread from start) (Parent)

	no subject thefourthvine.livejournal.com 2007-09-19 08:06 pm UTC (link)
	THANK YOU. I AM NOW SCARRED FOR LIFE. (Also, seriously, Illya has a two-color cock? Is that like a special upgrade or something? And if it is, can you get colors other than rose/ivory?) (Reply to this) (Thread from start) (Parent) (Thread) (Hide 10 comments) (Show 10 comments)

	no subject qe2.livejournal.com 2007-09-20 12:11 am UTC (link)
	But of course! At the Lands' End of cockage, the dicks du jour also come (...) in seafoam/teal, puce/stucco, salmon/brick, and the ever-popular fog/midnight. (Reply to this) (Thread from start) (Parent) (Thread) (Hide 9 comments) (Show 9 comments)

	no subject shayheyred.livejournal.com 2007-09-20 12:17 am UTC (link)
	I'd like mine with a convertible top. (Reply to this) (Thread from start) (Parent) (Thread) (Hide 1 comment) (Show 1 comment)

	no subject qe2.livejournal.com 2007-09-20 12:44 am UTC (link)
	We're out of stock on those at the moment. Could we interest you in a monogram? Guaranteed to occupy only the fashionable portion of the foreskin... (Reply to this) (Thread from start) (Parent)

	no subject thefourthvine.livejournal.com 2007-09-20 12:38 am UTC (link)
	And if I might bring up a somewhat delicate matter - what of sizing? Because I note that in the original example, the size is "tower." Does it, um, come in something smaller? (Reply to this) (Thread from start) (Parent) (Thread) (Hide 4 comments) (Show 4 comments)

	no subject qe2.livejournal.com 2007-09-20 12:51 am UTC (link)
	But of course. S M L Tower Leaning Tower Architecturally Improbable Tower Seven-Wonders-of-the-World-Type Tower Ron Jeremy Does that help? (Reply to this) (Thread from start) (Parent) (Thread) (Hide 3 comments) (Show 3 comments)

	no subject thefourthvine.livejournal.com 2007-09-20 01:22 am UTC (link)
	I'm afraid I must cancel my order, as the image of Ron Jeremy has scared me to the point where I am seriously considering becoming a nun and taking up smarm as a full-time occupation. (Reply to this) (Thread from start) (Parent) (Thread) (Hide 2 comments) (Show 2 comments)

	no subject qe2.livejournal.com 2007-09-20 01:30 am UTC (link)
	Dear bi-colored-member customer - Please accept our apologies for your recent traumatisation. We have discontinued the offending sizeation. In the future, we will cap our offerings at the Burgish level. Please advise if this will suit. Yours truly, Customer (eager)service (Reply to this) (Thread from start) (Parent) (Thread) (Hide 1 comment) (Show 1 comment)

	no subject sprat.livejournal.com 2007-09-20 03:17 am UTC (link)
	HEEEEEEEE. (Reply to this) (Thread from start) (Parent)

	no subject executrix.livejournal.com 2007-09-25 07:00 pm UTC (link)
	RONON: What's white and twelve inches? Nuthin'. (Reply to this) (Thread from start) (Parent) (Thread) (Hide 1 comment) (Show 1 comment)

	no subject qe2.livejournal.com 2007-09-25 08:06 pm UTC (link)
	Your icon fills me with happiness. (Reply to this) (Thread from start) (Parent)

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