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Older fandoms, you confuse me so. The story I'm reading right now has piercing gazes, searing gazes, cuddling, comforting, lengthy descriptions of eyes that change color (Green! Hazel! Gold! No, I'm not kidding - really, gold, and this isn't the right fandom for him to have been implanted with a Goa'uld.), marriage proposals, men of action sharing their feelings in astonishing detail and with great (sometimes searing) honesty, a guy telling another guy how beautiful he is, holding hands, kissing, and two adult men (of action!) with extensive disposable incomes living together and sharing a bed.

And it's gen.*

I am patiently waiting for the mutual declarations of eternal love while hugging (or crying; I'd totally take crying) in the rain. Then, and only then, will I be able to stop reading.

So, does anyone have a story from an older fandom to recommend to me? You people have mostly been at this longer than me - surely you've got some nice gen or slash story favorite from a pre-LJ fandom that you could link me to. Gen or slash welcome - especially gen that I can read as gen. Seriously. Save me from myself. And this story. I am just bewildered, here.

-Footnote-

* Another gen story in the same fandom (but by a different person) features a noted canonical horndog turning down NSA sex with a beautiful woman because he's in love with someone else - that someone being, of course, the guy who is his Entirely Not Slashy Totally Hetero Life Partner. (It also had a paragraph about their great and abiding love, and the Totally Hetero Life Partner isn't even in the story. Nor is there any explanation of why the THLP would want his "friend" to turn down the sex - I mean, seriously, it was just presented as "this is what you do when you're in love with your THLP, forswear sex and cleave only unto him, but in a straight and manly way." I guess I am just not straight enough to understand that.) And the author's note contained a diatribe against slash. Oh, my people.

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ext_7850: by ev_vy (sleeping methos)


[identity profile] giandujakiss.livejournal.com
2007-09-27 06:10 pm UTC (link)
I can't think of anyone who is the fandom punching bag today, in the way that Mulder was. Am I just out of touch, or have we (sniff!) moved *on*?

Two words. Dean. Winchester.

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[identity profile] yevgenie.livejournal.com
2007-09-27 06:18 pm UTC (link)
So it's the "I'm out of touch" option. XD

Maybe I'll have to hie myself over for some good old-fashioned character brutality sometime soon!

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Also here from metafandom


[identity profile] strangerian.livejournal.com
2007-09-28 02:46 am UTC (link)
Finding D.K. Broster books turns out to be possible on Abe Books:
http://www.abebooks.com/servlet/SearchResults?an=Broster&kn=Flight+Heron&sts=t&x=0&y=0
http://www.abebooks.com/servlet/SearchResults?an=Broster&kn=Wounded+Name&sts=t&x=0&y=0

(In case you hadn't tried there already.) I think some of the used book stores they list from have the copies the libraries purged -- at any rate, "ex-library" is one of the commoner notes in the book listings. Broster seems to be (not unreasonably) more in evidence in the U.K. The postage will look scary, but it isn't likely to be as much as the book might cost new if it were reprinted.

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Also here from metafandom again


[identity profile] strangerian.livejournal.com
2007-09-28 03:05 am UTC (link)
Here's an essay about Broster's writing, which will make many things clear:
http://www.collectingbooksandmagazines.com/broster.html

One other note: I never bumped into Broster when I was madly reading anything indefinably slashy before I knew what slash was. However, the same ping comes from one of Georgette Heyer's early novels, The Great Roxhythe, which is full of Charles II-era dandies who are unreasonably attached to each other, and marry for convenience or friendship, but not out of passion. This is frankly not Heyer's best work, mostly lacking her trademark lightness and humor, but the homosociality could be spread on toast.
(Ooops, I went and checked Abe Books on that one, and the prices start at $42, but check with your library, and your library's library, maybe.)

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Re: Also here from metafandom again


[identity profile] crowie.livejournal.com
2007-09-28 12:51 pm UTC (link)
Off topic but

when I was madly reading anything indefinably slashy before I knew what slash was

Hah! I did that too, and I got really frustrated when the books never actually delivered. The internet fixed that for me later on :)

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ext_9136: (Wanderer)


[identity profile] birggitt.livejournal.com
2007-09-30 09:39 pm UTC (link)
And... I'm so late I wouldn't even comment but... just can't help myself...
FBI could be really supportive, too. As in David Duchovny's character in David Lynch's Twin Peaks =D

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franzeska: (Castillo)


[personal profile] franzeska
2007-10-03 06:18 pm UTC (link)
*wanders by* I can't find any scientific reference to eyes genuinely changing color with mood, but I did see one bit of dubious speculation that it might have to do with blood flow.

What happens to me personally is that my eyes look completely different depending on how much my pupil is dialated. This is common in people with multicolored eyes since we tend to have concentric circles of different colors. Mine have a small area of army green around the pupil with a streaky white and dark blue area intruding on it, all of which is surrounded by a thin, even ring of dark blue-gray. Needless to say, depending on clothing and pupil state, they can look dramatically different. Also, pupils routinely change size much more quickly than hormones would be likely to affect the eye. I suppose a blushing type effect might be to blame, but I'd guess it's all the pupils and how wide you open your eyes.

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[identity profile] monroe-nell.livejournal.com
2007-10-05 07:11 pm UTC (link)
I rec (http://monroe-nell.livejournal.com/235312.html) learning to improvise to everybody

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risha: (J/R bodies close)


[personal profile] risha
2007-10-06 01:32 am UTC (link)
And I just bookmarked that link to go through all of your recs later, based on your stunningly good taste in M7 and SGA. :)

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[identity profile] flambeau.livejournal.com
2007-11-07 02:15 pm UTC (link)
I once tried to start a crossover challenge that involved swapping characters with the same names for each other. Nothing came of it because I have no organizational skills (well, not entirely true, but I didn't exactly make an effort *g*), but I still like the idea. "So, which Jack do we have this week?" I mean, just imagine Jack Harkness temping for Jack O'Neill (and yes, I did write "tempting" at first, of course), or Justin Timberlake finding himself in Justin Finch-Fletchley's robes.

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wildly belated commentary


[identity profile] saphanibaal.livejournal.com
2007-12-05 06:45 pm UTC (link)
And yet, amazingly, they were not the main couple among their group in the Japanese fandom. At least, all the (Bronze Saint) doujinshi I've found have been Ikki/Hyouga or Ikki/Shun, although possibly I may have just been finding all the wrong doujinshi all my life (it's harder to find them for older series, especially in the U.S.) -- I'm not even sure where the former is coming from.

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solesakuma: (Touya/Yue)

Re: wildly belated commentary


[personal profile] solesakuma
2007-12-05 06:59 pm UTC (link)
Oh, I knew about that! I think the whole Ikki/Hyoga thing has to with how they represent Fire and Ice. But yeah, there's considerably less Hyoga/Shun and fuck, they were almost canon. If a three years-old girl can pick up the buttsex subtext...
And about how hard is to find doujinshi, Spanish-fandom has this legendary Salón del Manga de Barcelona a few years ago where there was a bunch of Saint Seiya doujinshi. People still sigh, saying they weren't able to catch any. XDDDD
But Saint Seiya USA fandom is smaller, no? I mean, Saint Seiya-Spanish is still wanking and having shipping wars and writing fic and a lot of people still have Saint Seiya-related nicks.

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wandering in late to the party, as usual...


[identity profile] saphanibaal.livejournal.com
2007-12-05 09:28 pm UTC (link)
//Nor is there any explanation of why the THLP would want his "friend" to turn down the sex - I mean, seriously, it was just presented as "this is what you do when you're in love with your THLP, forswear sex and cleave only unto him, but in a straight and manly way." I guess I am just not straight enough to understand that.//

I must not be straight enough for that either -- I mean, I could understand turning down anything *more* than NSA sex, even regular NSA sex with the same person on the theory that that had too much risk of developing into a Relationship despite both personalities involved -- but turning down sex for reasons that aren't "I don't think casual sex is working for me anymore" or "If it's not from the one I want, I don't want it" *makes no sense* for someone who canonically has one-night-stands.

//So, does anyone have a story from an older fandom to recommend to me? You people have mostly been at this longer than me - surely you've got some nice gen or slash story favorite from a pre-LJ fandom that you could link me to. Gen or slash welcome - especially gen that I can read as gen. Seriously. Save me from myself.//

Well, there's always Undocumented Features (http://www.eyrie-productions.com/UF/), which -- take a week or two off to read it. The "Core (http://www.eyrie-productions.com/UF/CORE/)" stories are distinctly not as good as most of the spinoffs, but it really helps to have read them in order to understand where everything else is coming from -- plus, without the Core, there'd be no Symphony of the Sword (http://www.eyrie-productions.com/UF/FI/SOS), and I love the Symphony with an unholy love -- there's space battles, sword duels, het pairings, femslash pairings, threesomes, robots, magic, technology, big honking spaceships, redemption, and the single most important relationship to the whole plot is a perfectly gen one between two girls who meet at school and become best friends.

(Also -- don't worry if you don't recognize some of the source canons. It isn't necessary. Sometimes it even gets in the way of enjoying the UF version.)

Then -- hmm. There were Ryan Mathews' Dirty Pair stories (buried in http://archives.eyrie.org/anime/Dirty-Pair/ -- I can't remember offhand which ones are his, but most of the ones in the archive are pretty good).

Jeff Hosmer's Angel of Light (http://archives.eyrie.org/anime/BGC/bgc.angel-of-light.gz). Sequel to Angel of Darkness (http://archives.eyrie.org/anime/BGC/bgc.angel-of-darkness.gz), even more wide-ranging, and the recoilless anti-labor gun. (If there is one single thing I remembered about that story through all the years, it is the recoilless anti-labor gun.) ^_^

(A lot of the gen and slash fics I adored when I was younger I either have lost track of or now find... ah... distinctly lacking. It makes recommendations rather difficult. Especially when choosing not to recommend WIPs, as why should you suffer too?)

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ext_230: a tiny green frog on a very red leaf (frog)


[identity profile] anatsuno.livejournal.com
2008-10-30 08:18 pm UTC (link)
You so totally win. yes.

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ext_72: (Early Adopter)


[identity profile] prehistoric-sea.livejournal.com
2008-11-11 04:23 am UTC (link)
Well said. I, um, might have just read a fic like that. And left positive feedback. *cringe* Anyway, friended at the rec of [livejournal.com profile] executrix, who told me your lj was worth reading, and told me ahead of time that you're a guy so I wouldn't put my foot in my mouth. About that, anyway.

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Should I feel cheated?!


[identity profile] nikomifan.livejournal.com
2009-01-25 12:21 am UTC (link)
So, I just read 440 comments (which I see as my punishment for being this late to this party) and I still do not know which story it was :-(
But I opened eleven tags and added this entry to my favorites :-)
Could you please tell us now which story it was? Since you could be evil for nearly one and a half years = several internet eternities and all XD
BTW I wanted to tell you that I adore your recs (so much that I'm reading this journal completely from your first post).

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[identity profile] laurakaye.livejournal.com
2009-02-16 06:54 am UTC (link)
OK, so I know this comment is two years old and all but I just had to say that OMG I REMEMBER THOSE.

...and I read them a LOT.

Because I hadn't discovered slash yet but I just knew that I really liked reading about all those Mulder/Skinner cuddles and stroking and all. It wasn't just that series, either - there was something of a whole cottage industry of Mulder/Skinner smarm for a while there, and I read it all.

And then I found a Mulder/Skinner slash story and went, "OH, so THAT'S what I've been wanting to read," and embarked merrily on my new path of debauchery.

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ext_2233: Writing MamaDeb (MamaDeb)


[identity profile] mamadeb.livejournal.com
2009-02-16 11:46 pm UTC (link)
Yep - they *almost* scratched that itch, didn't they?

Susan, btw, is a very sweet lady who enjoyed slash, too.

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franzeska: (Castillo)


[personal profile] franzeska
2010-08-12 08:50 pm UTC (link)
I'm rereading this now while doing... uh... research (on 'orbs' and the use thereof), and all of it is cracking me up big time... but nothing so much as the mentions of how Boston Legal can't possibly get any more ridiculous in canon.

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