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Keep Hoping Machine Running ([personal profile] thefourthvine) wrote2009-07-02 09:12 pm
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195: What Is This Thing You Humans Call 'Star Trek'?

Having a fandom that is public knowledge is weird. I mean, no one ever discussed due South in my presence who wasn't also discussing Fraser's cock. I don't think anyone but fans has even heard of The Sentinel. I know lots of people read comic books, but no one is willing to admit to it at the places where I go. I'm not sure anyone over the age of 15 has ever watched Merlin who didn't want to write fan fiction where someone got it on with someone else. A few people had, presumably, heard of Stargate: Atlantis, but it's not like anyone said anything about it. But Star Trek is - well. Let me tell you a story.

Twice a week, I take the earthling to OT. The pediatric therapy section is part of a unit that also provides therapy to adults. Because I spend a lot of time in the waiting area, I know most of the adult therapists at least vaguely, and I know the names of all the women, because they wear their badges. (So do the men, technically, but they usually clip their badges to a pocket and then put the badge inside the pocket. It's on, but it's not like you can see who they are.) So I have to make up nicknames for the guys.

Once, I was waiting for an elevator with one of the adult PTs and he spontaneously shared with me that it was his first day back at work after some surfing championship thing. "Oh?" I said politely. "How was it?"

"Totally awesome," he said very sincerely, and that was the last thing he said that I understood, although he kept talking all the way up in the elevator and then down the hall. Just before we parted ways, I figured out that he was relating the details of his own performance, with helpful side notes about the condition of the ocean.

"Awesome!" I said, confidant that at least I knew that much of his dialect, and he nodded enthusiastically. I went to the waiting area and he went off to teach a stroke patient to walk, and I started to think of him as Surfer Boy.

But then one day I sat in the waiting area next to a woman in her sixties and her forty-ish companion as they watched Surfer Boy demonstrate one of the weight machines and discussed in great detail what they'd like to do to him. (It started with the younger one saying, "I'd like to sink my teeth into those thighs." "Honey," said the older one as she crocheted something pink, "If I got my mouth on him, I wouldn't waste time on his thighs.") They called him Mr. Hotass throughout their very extensive discussion of his features and probable abilities, and the nickname Surfer Boy just couldn't compete. He is Mr. Hotass forever to me now.

And there's another adult PT who I think of as the Professor, because he reminds me of a professor I had in college - he's very tall, and he wears wire rim glasses, and he's fond of slightly frayed Oxford shirts that in no way match his corduroys or chinos. He, like my college professor, speaks very very quietly. I have never understood a word he's said. (With my college professor, if you didn't get to class in time to get a front row seat, you just studied from the book, copied down the board occasionally, and hoped someone up there was taking good notes.)

And, finally, there is Itsuko. (See? She wears her name tag!) If I had to give her a nickname, it would be PT Fangirl. She is very, very interested in American Idol (she was near tears over Adam Lambert's loss - no, really, there was a small group of sad, hugging women in the hall the next day, and I just thank my friends list, because without y'all I would have thought Adam Lambert was a patient who died) and also those dance shows.

So, the other day the Professor was using the work table, and Mr. Hotass was next to him getting a hot towel out of the big scary steamy hot towel machine that you have to use the Tongs of Giantness on. Itsuko was waiting behind Mr. Hotass. And they had the following conversation:

The Professor: *something inaudible, ending in a questioning tone*
Mr. Hotass: Damn it, Jim, I'm a physical therapist, not a doctor!
[Laughter.]
The Professor: *something inaudible and semi-emphatic sounding*
[Further laughter.]
Itsuko: Fascinating, Captain. Dr. McCoy, if you do not require any additional hot packs, I believe it would be most logical for you to yield your place to me.

And I knew exactly what they were talking about it. I could even make some decent guesses about what the Professor had said, and that has never happened before.

My primary sensation was one of injustice. That was my fandom! They weren't supposed to know about it! I wanted to yank them aside and say, "YOU! Obviously your fandom is surfing. Go back to being incomprehensible about that! Itsuko - okay, you can stay, because really I think you're more than halfway there already. But as for you, Professor, I don't know what your interests are, but I'm betting you're a founding member of the Speak Softly (Stick Optional) Club for Boring Men. STAY AWAY FROM MY FANDOM."

And then I remembered that everyone knows about Star Trek, and in fact basically everyone in the Western hemisphere knows more about Star Trek than I do (because they've seen more than one episode of the series, and probably the movie as well).

Because the thing is, there's so much stuff in Star Trek. It's not just the movie. It's not even the movie and the original series. It's some number of spinoffs, and I don't even know how many. (People, what the hell is Enterprise? Is that the same as TNG? TOS? Is it a whole OTHER series? I would check Wikipedia on this one, but it tends to really enhance my feelings of Star Trek inadequacy.) It's a very large number of novels, many of them, bizarrely, written by people whose names I recognize, some I even know. (And one, apparently, was slash, and no one noticed until after it came out. Oops!) And it's half a fucking century of fans, and fanwank, and people writing long impassioned essays about things like insignia design and the meaning of spaceship numbers. (For the record, I entirely salute this. It's just too much for me to assimilate.)

It's overwhelming, is my point. In a good way! A good way! But I keep turning to Best Beloved and saying things like, "Okay, what is with this t'hy'la thing? It's in every story ever!"

And she says, "I don't know." (Because she hasn't watched all the original Trek. This is a problem, as she is my source of information for all visual media. And she probably won't be seeing the whole series, either. Normally I could buy her a season or two as, like, a subtle hint in the shape of a gift, but have you seen how much those things cost? Too much for a hint, I'll tell you that.)

Or I say to Best Beloved, "Okay. Pon farr. So there was - um, a girl? That Spock didn't marry?"

And Best Beloved, who has in fact seen that episode, says, "Well, yes. She wanted to marry someone else, so she challenged Spock and picked Kirk as her champion - no, I don't know why, so don't ask - and they fought and Spock thought he'd killed Kirk. He was very sad, as I recall. And then she went off and married the other guy."

So I - nimbly avoiding the question she told me not to ask, because I am no fool, say, "What happened with the pon farr, though? Doesn't he have to have sex with someone?"

And she says, "I don't know, but looking back, I'd have to say he and Kirk went somewhere private."

It's also intimidating. I normally eventually get to a place where at least I feel like I can write in a fandom, even if I never actually do, but I don't think that's going to happen here. There's just too much stuff to know. This means, of course, that I will have to sit here and just hope that someone else writes the stories I want to see. Like the story where the reboot universe gets a few more Spocks - like, raised-on-earth Spock, and Captain-of-the-Enterprise Spock, and never-met-Kirk Spock. How many Vulcans can one starship hold? (Oh, like you've never wanted to see a vid to "Part of Your World" for Spock.) LOTS, would be my feeling, and, really. The more Spock, the better.

Which brings me to another embarrassing element of all this. I appear to have developed an OTC. (Yes, I, too, look at those initials and see over the counter. But I refuse to spell it out.) And my OTC is - well, Spock. This is highly distressing! First, I feel like, well, what else have I missed about classic fandom? Will it turn out that my favorite show in the whole entire world is Starsky and Hutch or something? (Just having a favorite TV show would be quite a shock to my system.) But most of all, I feel strangely adrift. I'm usually an OTP kind of girl, and so I know what to read: things with my characters' names on them, and a slash in between. With an OTC, it's different. Because I will happily read Spock paired with basically anyone - Kirk, Uhura, Sulu, his tricorder, the warp cores (although Scotty would kill him if he tried anything), John Sheppard, Jack Sparrow, the Enterprise, a culturally significant and aesthetically pleasing rock, whatever. As well, of course, as any gen in all kinds of quantities

This makes it much harder to read fan fiction. I need to know, in advance, if a story that's gen will contain sufficient Spock, or if it will leave me muttering, "Okay, that was kind of awesome. But, seriously: not enough Vulcans, too many mans." (It's not that I don't like the others. I do. I just - SPOCK. He is everything I ever wanted a character to be! And also telepathic, which I find deeply creepy, but that just adds an edge, you know?) Plus there's ever the danger that I will read a story that ends with a SAD Spock. And I think we all know that a sad Vulcan (grimly repressing all signs of sadness and pretending that it is totally logical to lie on his bed and listen to Fall Out Boy all day) is the very saddest thing of all.

I remain hopeful that I will settle into some kind of stable OTP orbit, though I don't know exactly how that would work. (NO, it is not going to be Spock/Spock. I have limits. Probably.)

And so I am here, overwhelmed (Why isn't there an easy, bullet-point summary? For people who are maybe not up to reading fifty years of, like, Trekian scholarship?) and out of my element (an OTC, seriously; I cannot even cope).

But definitely in the fandom. Eeee! Trek!

The One That Is Everything (Okay, Not Quite, but Still) Wrong with Movies Today. And It's Brilliant. ...On the Dance Floor, by [livejournal.com profile] sloanesomething.

This is for that one lone fan out there who didn't know what I was referencing with "not enough Vulcans, too many mans." It's also for anyone who doesn't know Star Trek at all. Or anyone who knows Star Trek but isn't our kind of fan. Because, oh my god, this is so awesome, and I don't care who you are: you will get this. (And if you don't love it, there's just no hope for you.)

Of course, the sad part is that you could use this song for a vid in basically any fandom, except, you know, Xena. But I refuse to think about that! Instead I will think about the joy that this vid brings me. Which is a lot. And it brings it about every ten minutes, because once you start watching this vid, there is no stopping.

(There's also no chance that you'll get through the day without singing this song. It's like heroin for your ears. I just feel I should tell you that now, so you don't blame me later when you sing it in front of your direct supervisor, or your entire family, or, you know, a gathering of Sunday school kids.)

The One That Answers the Question of Who Is Doing All the Unglamorous Work in Starfleet. The First Time, by Afrai, aka [personal profile] bravecows. It's - OFC/OFC? Kind of? That's not really the point, though.

So, having spent quite some time wibbling about my negative reaction to any story not featuring Spock (which, seriously, in my head I want to make that sparkly text, except I know it would be wrong), I'm going to start off by recommending something that is totally Spock-free. And here's the thing: I don't care. This is that good.

What's it about? Well. Let's just say this is meta as well as fan fiction, and you'll get it as you go along, and I can't tell you in advance.

I can say, though, that I love these characters. And I want them to be canon. I want the concepts to be canon. There's something in here that is SO AWESOME and makes so much intuitive sense and yet I cannot think of any visual SF that does it, although of course my reference set is limited - I mean, I haven't even seen all the Star Trek spinoffs.

So I can't tell you what this is about, really. I can just tell you to read. Oh, and I can say that if this story were canon, well, that'd be a step toward correcting the problem the last rec identified.

The One That Features Courtship Via Phonemes. I Mean, I Guess Almost All Courtship Is, but These Are Explicit Phonemes, and, No, I Don't Mean That the Way You Think I Do. Break, by [livejournal.com profile] yahtzee63. S'chn T'gai Spock/Nyota Uhura.

This story, on the other hand, has an entirely acceptable amount of Spock. It also has lots and lots of profoundly awesome Uhura. My only complaint about this story is that, once again, I think everyone in the universe has already read it, but I want to rec it, so I will. I've never worried about that problem before, after all.

This is backstory - although that seems like an insulting term for it, really - for the Spock/Uhura relationship in canon, and I looooooove it. (I think most dedicated slashers will love this one. There's enough emotional distance and longing and requited passion, plus just a touch of angst, to satisfy. Or so it was for me.) This has all the elements I need in a story featuring Spock (great seething cauldron of emotion, sternly repressed, occasionally bubbling to the surface while he pretends that, no, there are no disturbances in the core of Planet Spock, which is of course not at all volcanic, no, really, ignore that eruption you hear). And it has a Nyota who is truly an equal character, truly intelligent, and truly human. I could not ask for more.

In fact, this story has made me kind of afraid to see the movie, because if there's one thing I know about big-budget summer action movies, it's that they don't usually provide rich character development and thoughtful, realistic relationships and depth. I am guessing, if this story were canon, most of the words in it would be replaced by something exploding.

The Vid That Teaches Us That Vulcans Are the Real Rough Trade. Or, Okay, Not, but They Sure Do Give New Meaning to Rough Sex. Poker Face, by [livejournal.com profile] talitha78. S'chn T'gai Spock/Jim Kirk.

So, um, this vid is pretty much the closest we'll get to an actual canon Kirk/Spock sex scene, or am I the only one seeing that on that screen? No, I can't be.

And, if that is not enough to compel you - this is Spock. Spock! Who has a POKER FACE! Except not, as it turns out, for Kirk. Kirk: the illogical exception to every aspect of Vulcan control! I could not love this more.

PLUS, we get to see the evolution of Spock, from fierce but wee baby Spock to more-Vulcan-than-Vulcan pre-Starfleet Spock to Kill him? Fuck him? Maybe both! Spock-with-Kirk. They are all my favorite Spocks, let me tell you.

And I love that this fandom has been so prolific, with so many excellent vids set to so many songs I would not normally listen to at all. And yet, you know, there's a decent chance I'll end up loving this song. I mean, I watch the vid enough.

(Spoooooooooock. <3 <3 <3 <3!)

(P.S. Anyone know of a good place to get ST icons? I neeeeeed them. Apparently.)
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[personal profile] copracat 2009-07-03 05:06 am (UTC)(link)
You are proof positive (and I mean very positive) that fanishness eclipses fandom.

I believe the Memory Alpha wiki may be your online resource of much Trekishness.
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[personal profile] abbylee 2009-07-03 05:09 am (UTC)(link)
This post fills me with LOVE. For everything.

<3
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[personal profile] melannen 2009-07-03 05:19 am (UTC)(link)
T'h'la was, for the record, the Vulcan word Spock used in extremis to refer to Kirk, for which they had to put an actual footnote in the novelization in which Captain Kirk rather obviously *failed* to deny that it actually meant "lover":

Here, I'll quote it for you: "I was never aware of this 'lovers' rumor, although I have been told that Spock encountered it several times. Apparently, he had always dismissed it with his characteristic lifting of his right eyebrow, which usually connoted some combination of surprise, disbelief, and/or annoyance. As for myself... I have always found my best gratification in that creature called woman. Also, I would not like to be thought of as being so foolish that I would select a love partner who came into sexual heat only once every seven years."

That was in 1979, in the official novelization of the first movie.

T'hy'la : fandom history/footnotes OTP!

(Now I kind of want to write a Kirk/Spock fic where the sex takes place entirely in footnotes.)

And I am off to read your recs! (I would be feeling totally intimidated by this fandom too, except that I was raised on it. I don't actually care how closely it fits actual canon! The version that lives in my head has existed for longer than about 3/4 of the canon anyway, so it gets priority.

For example, I live in Rihannsu-verse: I don't care how slashy and cracked Ishmael was, or how amazing Barbara Hambly is, I go with Diane Duane: Spock's full name with patronym is Spock cha'Sarek. If you want to add more, he's Spock cha'Sarek of the house of Surak. Though the 'unpronounceable' bit is Dorothy Fontana canon, and she claims the rest of his name is XTMPRSQZNTWLFB.

I realize that made about as much sense to you as the surfer's story. But god, I love the history in this fandom!)
Edited 2009-07-03 05:20 (UTC)
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[personal profile] strina 2009-07-03 05:23 am (UTC)(link)
First, a cheap (relatively - $20-$35) alternative to buying the compete boxed sets: the Fan Collectives, where fans voted for their favorite episodes on a certain theme (whole DVDs devoted to time travel or alternate realities! see, there are benefits to the famous fandom thing). And you can get a Best Of DVD of the Original Series for 10 bucks; it only has four episodes, but it includes the pon farr ep.

Second, the five Trek TV series are The Original Series (Kirk), The Next Generation (Picard), Deep Space 9 (Sisko), Voyager (Janeway), and Enterprise (Archer; the most recent, it was a prequel to TOS).

Third, "In ST:TMP novel, Roddenberry introduced the "Vulcan" word T'hy'la, as a label for the Kirk/Spock relationship. Kirk and Spock are more than friends or brothers-in-arms: according to Roddenberry, they are T'hy'la. T'hy'la translates to friend/brother/lover. The creation of this word was apparently necessary because the terms friend and/or brother alone were inadequate."
from The official alt.tv.star-trek.tos K/S FAQ by Laura Goodwin
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[personal profile] sinensis 2009-07-03 06:25 am (UTC)(link)
yay, Trek! OH, SPOCK, character of my HEART.

If Best Beloved can stand to watch tv shows online, CBS is streaming all of original Trek here:

http://www.cbs.com/classics/star_trek/video/video.php

cheese-tastic music! Kirk and his frequently ripped shirts! Spock being AWESOME.

http://trek-news-feed.dreamwidth.org/profile Feed for the trek_news LJ comm, which has a category for icon/graphics posts.
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[personal profile] esther_asphodel 2009-07-03 06:36 am (UTC)(link)
(Now I kind of want to write a Kirk/Spock fic where the sex takes place entirely in footnotes.)

That sounds awesome. I love epistolary fic. The closest I've found in Star Trek is Incident Report, a TOS story that starts with an official report by Kirk insisting that he was making out with Spock totally in the line of duty.

[personal profile] asdi 2009-07-03 06:48 am (UTC)(link)
It's overwhelming, is my point.

I am the person who first heard about Spock and Star Trek two months ago (I'm not American, so that can partly explain it, but I admit that I've been living under a rock as well).

When I first tried to watch the new movie, it took me ages to identify the characters (I gave up on understanding what was going on after the first 10 minutes). After reading Wikipedia for a couple of hours, I now have the basic information which allow me to read fic.

So I totally agree with you that it's overwhelming.

(Also, Spock/Spock? An awesome idea xD)
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[personal profile] strina 2009-07-03 07:44 am (UTC)(link)
Thanks!

It was a word he MADE UP. There was NO reason to stick that "lover" on the end of it unless he wanted us to think that! So it gets used all the time because 1) it's the big canon evidence and 2) Spock's inner monologue often ends up kind of hilariously purple in old-school fic.

And I don't have links for these, but apparently he said some stuff in interviews about K & S being each other's primary love relationship and yeah, maybe it is romantic love, if that is the style in the 23rd century?
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[personal profile] strina 2009-07-03 07:52 am (UTC)(link)
Also: Too Many Spocks by Lanaea, set in the Home-verse, but it can stand alone.
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[personal profile] cimorene 2009-07-03 09:08 am (UTC)(link)
Yeah, I don't think there's any firm canon source for that string of syllables for Spock's name. Since the books tend to disagree wildly with one another they are not a part of canon proper. Certainly a name that he never actually uses in canon can well be left out of references to him.

It's also amazing to me if you've never run into Trekkies before those PTs! Haven't you spent time around groups of nerds before?

The first time I went to NASFiC when I was old enough to remember (North American Science Fiction Convention, in Atlanta at DragonCon when I was abt 12), I went to a Trek wedding that was part of the con program, where the couple were in SF uniform and the officiant was Klingon judge. I think the bride was a Vulcan, if I remember right.

Also there was a huge group of Klingons in the deep south and at one of the tiny more local-ish Alabama cons a few years before that, I went to a Klingon trial completely populated by Klingons. The con hospitality suite that time was also stocked with nothing but Klingon food, which was kind of awesome, and yet kind of disappointing (how much spaghetti, grapes, eggs, etc with food coloring in can you possibly eat?).
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[personal profile] trouble 2009-07-03 09:54 am (UTC)(link)
There's a whole book that RachelManjina recently reviewed called "Dwellers in the Crucible" that further uses that word as UBER SEKRIT CODE for "lesbian lovers omg".

Now that I've read her review as an adult, I'm totally getting why I read my copy of that book to tatters.
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[personal profile] trouble 2009-07-03 09:58 am (UTC)(link)
Oh, see, the reason she wants Spock to fight Kirk is so that if Spock wins, he'll be so horrified at having killed his best friend (and upset that she challenged) that he'll release her from his bond, and if Kirk kills Spock, he's not Vulcan enough to marry her, so she'll be releases from her bond.

There's a book where she gets so pissed off at Spock about the way this all played out that she tries to get Vulcan to leave the Federation and almost succeeds. I think it's Spock's World.

Also, Spock gets over his ponn farr by rolling around all over Kirk in front of other people while they get sweaty and shirts get ripped, in a scene that would have been perfectly fine in that Poker Face vid. "If it ain't rough than it ain't love" or whatever the line is.
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[personal profile] jeeps 2009-07-03 10:06 am (UTC)(link)
yeah, he basically (i can't remember the exact quote) says something about how apparently fighting kirk was sufficient to relieve him of his pon farr (!!!), when mccoy asks him the same question.
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[personal profile] melannen 2009-07-03 02:10 pm (UTC)(link)
Yeah as far as I know (and can verify on various wikis) Spock's full name is never revealed on air (though I think he may get called "Spock, son of Sarek" at least once or twice. At least in the animated series.) So all the rest of it is from the novels/comics/interviews/etc. And, um, Star Trek didn't figure out about this thing called "continuity" in secondary canon until about the late '90s; until then, it was all just exactly like published fanfic: every author did what they wanted, and had their own fanon, and borrowed whatever seemed cool from other authors' fanon. And fan authors have basically done the same thing with book & comic canon.

(Then in the late '90s the PtB decided they needed continuity, so they tried to shoehorn it all together into one timelime. This worked ... poorly.)

Of course, even just going by *aired* canon, things get complicated, considering that the entire prequel series of Enterprise was revealed in its last episode to be a trashy historical holonovel being watched by a Next Generation character. Did any of it actually happen in history? Did all of it? Who knows? (Well, at least some of it did, at least in reboot!verse, because Enterprise characters get references in Reboot, which was a direct offshoot of TNG, at least if you read the prequel comics, even though other Enterprise stuff is directly contradicted by Reboot, at least by Reboot secondary canon, even things that wouldn't've been affected by the timeline split.)

See, it all makes perfect sense! *cough* You'll probably end up wishing you got into Marvel Comics fandom instead.
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[personal profile] watersword 2009-07-03 02:22 pm (UTC)(link)
I love you and your bewilderment and your taste SO MUCH.
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[personal profile] melannen 2009-07-03 02:23 pm (UTC)(link)
Yeah, it's Spock's World. If there's one book that people new to this fandom and Vulcans should read, it's Spock's World. More fanfic was based on that version of Vulcan than any other, *and* the writers of the new movie admitted to using it for backstory research. (That and Best Destiny, which is where Wee Thug Kirk comes from, which warms the cockles of my heart. The (all male) writers of the new action screenplay are using character continuity from stuff written by female fanwriters in the early '80s! That's kinda pretty damn awesome.)
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[personal profile] saffronhouse 2009-07-03 03:57 pm (UTC)(link)
Wow -- you know, as usual, your recommendations are just as great as, um, your recommendations! Seriously, your prose is like potato chips--I get to the end of the post and I turn the bag upside down and shake it, hard, looking for just a few more crunchy, salty, marvelous crisps. Such joy!
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[personal profile] sinensis 2009-07-03 05:28 pm (UTC)(link)
DRUNKEN SPOCK LOVE-FEST, I AM SO THERE. and yes--that's the way awesome is defined in my dictionary.
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[personal profile] princessofgeeks 2009-07-03 07:42 pm (UTC)(link)
thank you for this. i too am overwhelmed by all things trek, tho i have apparently watched more of the original series than you. and yes, Enterprise was Another Series.

And yes to Spock.

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