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Keep Hoping Machine Running ([personal profile] thefourthvine) wrote2010-01-15 12:26 am

[Rant]: Feeding Issues

Under the cut is something I do not ever want you to say to me, please. Or to anyone else. I'm angry, so - warning for immoderate language and a total lack of humor.



Recently, I went to Whole Foods, where a woman stopped me to ask how I got the earthling (who was in the cart, being pacified for the Boring Shopping Trip by a tangerine and a pineapple piece) to eat fruit.

"He just eats it," I said, watching the earthling poke at the tangerine rind. "It's his favorite food group."

From there, we got into toddler eating habits. She kept talking about the foods she wanted her daughter, who was about one month younger than the earthling, to eat, versus the ones her daughter wanted to eat, and I finally had to make my position on this clear:

"We let our son eat whatever he wants to, unless it makes him sick.1 He has a food aversion, so our main worries are getting him enough food and getting him positive interactions with food."

She, of course, asked about food aversions. I get this question a fair amount, and there are three main reactions I get to my explanation. These are the first two:
  • "Wow, that must be hard for you." True! It is! Harder for him - he's the one who has to choose between being hungry and doing something he fears - but, yeah, it's hard.

  • "How can you be averse to food?" This is a little more problematic, because I just explained it (for most of his first year of life, he had reflux that we couldn't get under control with medications, and when eating hurts so much, after a while you don't want to do it anymore), but, yeah, I get that it seems counter-intuitive.
Both of those are fine. And here is the third one, which is not fine at all:
  • "You're so lucky. He isn't going to get fat." I hate this response.2 I really don't think I can communicate to you how much I hate it. What you are saying to me when you say this is: "Well, your child may need medication to make him eat, and he may be at risk for all kinds of problems because he does not eat enough, and if the medications stop working, he might need surgery so he can be fed through a tube, but, hey! He'll be skinny!" There is, in fact, such a thing as too skinny - let's ask Karen Carpenter about that one, shall we? - and there are things that are worse than being fat. A lot of them. A real fucking lot of them. The earthling has some fat on him right now, and I tell you what, I cherish it.
So, yes, this woman fell into the third category. She shared with me - and she expected praise for this - that she "watched" what her EIGHTEEN-MONTH OLD-daughter ate. "It's so easy to develop bad habits," the woman said, looking thoughtfully at my body. "I need to keep an eye on her intake until she can."

You know what will help her daughter develop bad habits? Being taught all her life to ignore the signals her body sends for "hungry" and "full." Being taught that there are foods that are sinful and foods that are good. Being raised with the subconscious belief that the ideal amount of calories to eat in a day is none.

To be honest, when you tell me you've put your child under two on a diet so she won't get fat, my basic reaction is to want to call Child Protective Services. Toddlers need calories. They also need fat. That is how their bodies grow and their brains develop. So when you deprive your kid of needed calories and fat, you're restricting her growth and you're potentially causing her lifelong problems, and I kind of wonder if maybe you shouldn't go through a few classes to learn how to feed her.

Which brings us to the next thing this woman said: "It must be so nice not to have to worry about your kid's weight!" She gave a little trilling laugh as she said it. It made me want to punch her right there in the produce section, except then they might not let me back in Whole Foods, which is of course one of the few sources of Produce the Earthling Deems Acceptable. Because of course I worry about the earthling's weight - I take pains not to let him see, not to react, because I have to, but, yes, I worry. I worry that he will not gain weight appropriately, and I worry about it constantly. My child got twice weekly weight checks for months, and then weekly ones for many, many more months. He still gets monthly weight checks, although he is 19 months old, where kids normally get weighed twice a year. If he does not gain appropriately - and right now he is; he is totally on track with his eating and weight gain and we are very happy about that - then he faces a lot of medical interventions, some of which, as I said, include major surgery. Of course I worry. And my worries are real worries, unlike this woman's, whose fear is that her 18-month-old daughter might be, you know, porky.

We, by the way, are indeed lucky, but not because the earthling is food averse; we're lucky because he's an incredible, fabulous kid, first of all, and second of all, because he's mostly overcome his eating problems. His weight is (for the moment) good, his weight gain is (again, for the moment - with these kids, it can all change so quickly) good. He's still food averse, but it's under control. That took a year of feeding therapy, a suite of medications, and a team of health professionals. It took major effort from me and from Best Beloved. It was work. It was and is stressful. It was and is a big deal.

If your child just eats, spontaneously, without any extra effort from you, please consider yourself lucky, because you are. And if your child just eats, and you are doing your level best to fuck up his or her relationship with food, then please don't tell me about it. I really, really mean that. I am so tired of listening to people who think their two year old or three year old is fat. I am so tired of hearing people brag that they only let their kid eat non-fat yogurt (FULL FAT until at least two) or that they make sure their (non-diabetic) toddler only gets no-calorie sugar substitutes or that they keep their entire family including the kids on a no-carb diet. This is not healthy eating. It is a fucking travesty. And if you can't stop doing it, then shut the fuck up about it.

-Footnotes-

1 Fruit juice in quantity has a digestive result I'm not going to get into here, so we do limit that and dilute the fruit juice he gets, but not because we're worried he'll get fat; we're worried he'll explode. We also limit foods with caffeine in them, like chocolate, because, um, they keep him awake. Which perhaps should not have been as surprising to us as it was. I will note that we also work hard to encourage foods with protein and fat, because the earthling sometimes thinks a fruit and water diet would be ideal, and that is not how you gain weight, unfortunately for him.

2 People, do not say this. Do not. I have a friend whose daughter could not sit up on her own at 11 months, let alone crawl or walk. People actually said to her, "Oh, you're so lucky. You don't have to chase after her." No. No. No. Some developmental milestones are annoying, yes, but you still want your kid to go through them.

I realize that if you're saying this, it's because you're uncomfortable with the topic of disability or delay and so you're trying to pretend that the disability or delay isn't real (and at some point you should really, really think about why you react this way), but it's not okay to do that. Here's what you can say: "You're so lucky. Your daughter is such a wonderful person." Because that is true - my friend's daughter is a marvel and a wonder, a gentle, creative, loving child, and my friend is lucky to have her, and knows it. But the luck does not arise from the fact that her daughter has physical delays; it arises from who her daughter is.
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[personal profile] kass 2010-01-15 10:09 am (UTC)(link)
oh, honey.

people suck sometimes.

would write more but am pumping milk...

[personal profile] tevere 2010-01-15 10:12 am (UTC)(link)
when you tell me you've put your child under two on a diet so she won't get fat, my basic reaction is to want to call Child Protective Services.

OMG. I know very little about babies, but even I know that babies' brains need fat to actually, you know, develop like a brain should. There are fatty sheaths and stuff to be made! How do peole think these things happen in the absence of, well, fat? Do they think these components just appear?

Wow. I just googled 'fat' and 'infant brain development'. I had no idea there is a whole group of people worrying if their breast milk is TOO HIGH IN FAT for their babies.

Meanwhile I look out the window and see Timorese mothers worrying if their kids have enough to eat at all. And yeah-- I know, I know, our neuroses are the product of our societies and the pressures to conform to a certain image (and god knows you can also get the case where a large section of a developing society leaps from poverty into the middle class and you get a whole generation of overfed kids whose starvation-raised parents are overcompensating)-- but, seriously? Diets for babies?
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*hugs you*

[personal profile] jmtorres 2010-01-15 10:13 am (UTC)(link)
You are lucky, because Earthling is awesome.

I hadn't realized Earthling had a problem with food aversion, probably because I fail at reading comprehension or or something, because I do recall you writing about how very specific his tastes are. I just thought he was an adorable little gourmet, and how I wished I could live on fresh, hand-picked, organically grown produce too!
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[personal profile] juliet 2010-01-15 10:17 am (UTC)(link)
...Bloody hell. The concept of already watching your 18-month-old's calorie intake for "bad eating habits" (beyond the "making sure they get the right sorts of food -- like calories & fat & protein & vitamins & tasty things! -- to sustain them" sort of level) I find seriously disturbing. Also: low-calorie sugar substitutes are an *excellent* way of screwing up your body's reaction to sweet tastes. ARGH.

Random side-note: I can v much understand the earthling's food aversion in the context you give. Aged about 3, I got a serious ear infection (which later developed into Bell's Palsy) which made swallowing painful. So first I stopped eating (worrying but not disastrous); then I stopped drinking (rather more serious -- I think that's the point at which they took me into hospital & hooked me up to lots of exciting tubes, although obviously I have only a snippet of recollection of this as I was 3 at the time). Mum tells me that, having previously been a not-picky-at-all eater, when I was recovered I became outrageously picky, something which stuck with me for *years* & only really resolved (mostly) when I became vegetarian & then vegan & kind of had to get over some of the pickiness issues :) So: poor Earthling! Being put off eating is not fun! And sympathy also to you; that's really tough to deal with.
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[personal profile] torachan 2010-01-15 10:24 am (UTC)(link)
Wow, that is appalling. D:
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[personal profile] glittertine 2010-01-15 10:24 am (UTC)(link)
Well, I knew you wouldn't be one of those mothers, but I'm really glad you wrote this down anyway. The doctors told my parents to restrict my food intake at 3 weeks old because by that time I'd made up the ten days I was born early easily. Thus started - just like you wrote - a life long relationship to food that can only be described as "severely fucked up". This is something you learn as a child, or never. Whenever one of my friends goes on about how she doesn't want her sprogs to be teased for being fat, or restricts food as a punishment, I want to stab something - better be teased for looking normal than to breed someone who *will* have an eating disorder forever.

GAH. I admire your restraint at not punching her. >_> And at not despairing of all strangers and never talk to a single one again, to be honest - people are just so stupid. I'm very happy to hear the Earthling is doing well with the eating at the moment, though. Keeping my fingers crossed that it lasts. ♥
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[personal profile] copracat 2010-01-15 10:39 am (UTC)(link)
Your restraint in neither punching this woman or calling protective services is admirable.
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[personal profile] petra 2010-01-15 11:19 am (UTC)(link)
You are awesome, your Earthling is awesome, and some people really need to examine what the hell they're being programmed to think by society.
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[personal profile] anitac588 2010-01-15 11:41 am (UTC)(link)
I admire your self-restraint, I really do.
I'm sorry to hear about your kid's troubles. Is it permanent disability or is it something he could grow out of?
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[personal profile] torachan 2010-01-15 11:53 am (UTC)(link)
Three weeks! DDDDDD: I can't even.
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[personal profile] emyrys 2010-01-15 11:58 am (UTC)(link)
You are an amazing mom, and the Earthling is very lucky to have you & Best Beloved as parents. I know exactly how you felt when that woman said that, and I, too, admire your restraint.

Until my daughter was 2, I was able to introduce her to as many foods as possible, and let her eat what she wanted when she wanted. She had rhythms -- wouldn't be hungry for a day or two & would barely eat, followed by days of growth spurts where she would eat more than me & still be ready for more. ( I realized I could tell when she was getting sick because she would eat more than usual in such a way that her body would store a more fat than she normally carried, then while she was sick (ear infection, or whatever) she would be too miserable to eat & so would lose weight during that time. It all evened out beautifully and I marveled at nature's preparing babies/toddlers for life's stresses).

When B. was 2, we moved back home & once I was living with my mother, and spending a lot of time around extended family, it became a constant battle.

I will spare you the details, but B was so very active & had become a picky eater, so that when she was 6 she was very very lean. Healthy, fit, but I had to work to provide foods she would eat enough to keep up with dance/swimming/basketball so that she stayed healthy & lean (and not skeletal).

For a while, I was frequently asked if my child was anorexic and I would get the very same category of reactions as your story gets. I had a hard time not wanting to just smack the people who said how lucky, that one could never be too thin.

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[personal profile] buddleia 2010-01-15 12:03 pm (UTC)(link)
Oh my god. Very occasionally I hear something like this and it makes me want to snatch their kids away.
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[personal profile] princessofgeeks 2010-01-15 12:45 pm (UTC)(link)
the stupid; it burns!
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[personal profile] halfpastmorrow 2010-01-15 12:57 pm (UTC)(link)
Urgh, this post makes me torn because my cousin's eldest has a food aversion and at seven she will still only eat white foods. It is not something to be celebrated and was incredibly insensitive on the part of the OP.

But at the same time I remember the first time my nephew went through a growth spurt how much my sister agonised because we come from a family with food issues where numerous people have made poor choices with their eating habits and there is more than one obese child. Ultimately it turned out that he grew two inches in six weeks and that was why he was wanting to eat everything in sight, but she worried about whether or not she should be restricting his food intake or not. She wants her children to have as normal a relationship with food as possible even while knowing that close relatives are modelling poor behaviour for them. Ultimately she only restricts junk food, but she still worries everytime he goes through a growth spurt.
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[personal profile] watersword 2010-01-15 01:05 pm (UTC)(link)
Raaaaaaaaaaaaaaaage.
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[personal profile] zats_clear 2010-01-15 01:20 pm (UTC)(link)
my dear, you are a far more tolerant person than I would be able to be in a similar situation! I am referring to that last where you recognize that someone saying such CRAP has issue of their own. And honestly? You can take the word food out and sub in any number of things into here. Sex comes to mind.

I have counseled and supported friends in the decision to change doctors who try to get them to "watch their infants food intake" - two in particular were still breastfeeding exclusively and under 6 mos old at the time. Both kids are a normal, healthy weight now. Both doctors should be shot.
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[personal profile] fox 2010-01-15 01:29 pm (UTC)(link)
GRAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAR.
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[personal profile] cereta 2010-01-15 02:11 pm (UTC)(link)
NYARG. You know, I do sometimes worry about teaching my kid healthy eating habits, because she has genetic badness on both sides, but those habits are things like, "Eat when you are hungry and stop when you are not" and "eat tasty foods that are good for you." But this fucking horror we have of fat has gotten insane.

{{hugs you}}
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[personal profile] toft 2010-01-15 02:20 pm (UTC)(link)
That whole conversation made me shiver with horror and fear. I'm so sorry you had to listen to that. Ugh. And that woman's poor daughter!
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[personal profile] umadoshi 2010-01-15 02:28 pm (UTC)(link)
That's horrifying on so many levels. I'm never sure whether to be more stunned by the things people think or the things people think it's okay to say.
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[personal profile] paperhearts 2010-01-15 02:32 pm (UTC)(link)
*hugs*. I'm so, so, sorry you had to put up with that and listen to someone spewing that kind of stupidity at you. I'm sorry there's so much stupidity around to be spewed.

I can't believe someone would think that you were lucky, that it would be a good thing that your child has to go through that.

And I really hate that our society has become so negative and hateful of fat that there are people who are depriving their children of needed nutrition and bragging about it.

Do you mind if I link to this post?
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[personal profile] lomedet 2010-01-15 02:39 pm (UTC)(link)
the thoughtless and stupid, IT BURNS.

(and also the desire to call CPS - a diet at 18 months?!?!?!?!)
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[personal profile] jeeps 2010-01-15 02:45 pm (UTC)(link)
this makes me feel sick inside. just knowing that little girl is going to grow up with a whole slew of food issues, and knowing what it's like having the food issues... if it were me, i would seriously just print out this rant to hand to people when they said shit like this to me, and walk away.
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[personal profile] laughingrat 2010-01-15 02:59 pm (UTC)(link)
Oh, wow. Just wow.

You know what will help her daughter develop bad habits? Being taught all her life to ignore the signals her body sends for "hungry" and "full." Being taught that there are foods that are sinful and foods that are good. Being raised with the subconscious belief that the ideal amount of calories to eat in a day is none.

God, yes. This x 1000.
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[personal profile] celli 2010-01-15 03:13 pm (UTC)(link)
I didn't realize you could get goosebumps OF HORROR until I read this post.

Christ on a CRUTCH, I want to find that woman and slap her.

*hugs*

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