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Keep Hoping Machine Running ([personal profile] thefourthvine) wrote2010-05-09 05:25 pm
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[Rant]: Professional Writers vs. The People Who Love Their Work, Round Umpty-Snout

(I realize right now fandom is rightly and deeply upset about a whole other issue. I live in the past, okay? But I know for a fact that this particular one is comin' around again, so. Also, warning: possible triggers.)

Okay. I am really, really tired of professional writers - or maybe I should say published writers, since professional behavior is not these people's long suit, generally speaking - posting rants about how they don't like fan fiction and here are their random reasons why. (If they would just say, "It feels wrong. I don't have a reason - it just feels wrong," I still wouldn't agree, but at least I wouldn't have to question their maturity. It's when they try to justify their feeling that they start to sound like a seven-year-old explaining why his cousin shouldn't be allowed to come near his toys.)

So, I'm going to help you out, oh hater of fan fiction! No more do you have to embarrass yourself (and piss off rape survivors everywhere) with the inevitable reference to rape! (Please, someone, make a new internet law that reads: Here is what is just like being raped: being raped. Describing something that is not rape as rape indicates either a) the kind of irrationality where the flecks of foam are visible through the monitor or b) a total failure to understand what rape is. In either case, everyone should politely look away until you calm down. And buy a fucking dictionary.) No more do you have to issue legal proclamations that make it very clear that you don't understand what copyright is and, in fact, think of copyright as Captain Copyright, Defender of Whatever Rights You Feel You Should Have! (Note: Captain Copyright is totally fictional. Feel free to write stories about him defeating evil writers of fan fiction. Um, warning, though: that will be fan fiction.)

Sadly, this won't address my least favorite rant elements:
  1. Rants in which a published author makes it clear that she believes millions of people are writing fan fiction about her characters, when in fact there are four stories total in her universe, which makes me all hot with vicarious embarrassment, because she's just exposed her own screaming It's All About Me neurosis and made it clear she has no idea what she's talking about. It's a horrible two-for-one special in the embarrassment aisle.
  2. Rants in which a published fan fiction writer - someone who writes primarily tie-in novels in someone else's universe - announces that fan fiction is evil, because doing it for love is wrong, but doing it for money is right. This makes me make a frowny face, because that isn't what they said in Sex Ed.
But, well. One thing at a time.

Good Reasons for a Professional Fiction Writer to Fear Fan Fiction
  1. Fan fiction folks might not like you anymore. People who are into fan fiction read a lot, and I do mean a lot, of stories at all levels of quality, from Holy Shit Pulitzer to Holy Fuck My Eyes My Eyes I See the Reaper Coming for Meeeeeee. Many of us also write. And when you do that, when you read and write a lot, you learn things. (Unless there's a baseline competence issue, and some of us do have those, but yay! Mostly not.)

    So we've all gotten better at reading, and reading critically, and at interacting with the story. And, yes, that means we might not like you anymore. We might now be painfully aware of how you suck or how you fail, in ways that we wouldn't have been before our time in fandom. And that's scary - readers who are now judging your work and maybe finding it wanting. If you want to rant about that, I will have sympathy.

  2. Fan fiction folks don't need you anymore. I mean, we still might like you, but the fact is, we can probably get better than you for free. Because, okay, yes, most fan fiction is crap, but so is most published fiction. (Anyone who wants to refute that has to read ten books selected by me first.) And the ten percent of fan fiction that is worth dying for is not just good, and in fact not just great: it's great and it's for us. It's written for our community, with our community standards in mind, by someone who shares at least some interests and probably some beliefs with us. So it's not just that we can get stories for free; it's that those stories are written to appeal directly to us. You can't write for us and you almost certainly don't want to.

    That's readers - a lot of readers, depending on what you write - who may not be shelling out for your next book, or who may be waiting for a library copy or the paperback. That sucks for you, and if you rant about that, seriously, I will have sympathy. (And I will try to refrain from pointing out that if you're good to your fans, we're your paycheck. We'll buy your hardcovers forever just because twenty years ago you created one character we love. We'll buy your merchandise. We'll go to cons to see you. We'll buy more hardcovers for you to sign. And so on.)

  3. Fan fiction folks took your power away. It used to be that the Anointed Few stood at the front of the room - sometimes a tiny classroom, sometimes a giant lecture hall with video cameras catching each golden word for those not lucky enough to hear it in person - and spoke. And everyone else was just audience: the listeners, the readers, the passively entertained. Fandom has turned your lectures into seminars. We keep speaking up. We keep having our own ideas. We don't even have the courtesy to raise our hands and ask to speak. And sometimes we lock you out of the room altogether.

    That isn't what you signed up for. I understand that. You want the podium back, you want the breathless admiration back, you want the silent, receptive audience back. You want the exchange to be: I entertain, and you applaud, and that's it. I can understand why you'd want that, and if you want to complain about it, I will sympathize. (I won't promise to fix it or anything, because it's better for me this way, but I understand that loss of power can be painful, and I swear if you want to complain about it I will feel sorry for you.)

  4. Fan fiction folks are better at the internet then you are. Oh, not all of you (or, for that matter, all of us), but, um. I don't know how to put this gently. A lot of professional writers (and editors, and others associated with the publishing industry) appear to lose their brains and their ability to write (and to understand what they've written) when they're online. It's sad, and it's pathetic, and it's hideously painful for those of us with an embarrassment squick. Meanwhile, fandom is organized, fandom knows the rules (fandom even codified many of the rules), and fandom is - well. If you're making an ass of yourself on the internet ("You're interrogating the text from the wrong perspective!" "You're RAPING ME by writing fan fiction about my characters!"), fandom is mocking you. If you're proving that you're an ass in real life ("There's no racism! It's all classism!" "But there aren't any female writers of SF. I mean, I don't know any, so..."), we're probably pointing that out to you fairly loudly. (And we are not watching our tone.)

    And I do see that that sucks, that you think the internet is your playground and it turns out there are actual real people watching you and calling you on your bullshit. I think you could probably solve this problem (either have less bullshit or limit your audience, your choice), but I will still understand if you just want to complain about it.
But if you're going to tell me, yet again, that fan fiction is illegal! Immoral! Dirty! Wrong! EVIL! ASSAULT! RAAAAAAAAAAPE!, well, I cannot promise to have sympathy. I can't promise to care. I can't even promise to read your rant, or indeed anything you write.

I'll just read some fan fiction instead.
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[personal profile] ciaan 2010-05-11 03:39 am (UTC)(link)
And then Vi tells Captain Copyright that he is being a patronizing jerk and she can associate with whomever she wants and do whatever she wants, and she kicks him out.
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[personal profile] ciaan 2010-05-11 03:43 am (UTC)(link)
Yes!
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[personal profile] iambickilometer 2010-05-11 05:15 am (UTC)(link)
If there are no objections, I'll start one.

(People? thefourthvine? Are there objections?)
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[personal profile] jumpuphigh 2010-05-11 05:17 am (UTC)(link)
I think it is extremely important that you start one. Now is better than later. *nods*
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[personal profile] iambickilometer 2010-05-11 05:26 am (UTC)(link)
[community profile] captaincopyright now exists! I hope people follow through on their threats to write about this.
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[personal profile] jumpuphigh 2010-05-11 05:30 am (UTC)(link)
Woo-hoo! I am a member. We need icons and fanart as well. :D
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[personal profile] iambickilometer 2010-05-11 05:45 am (UTC)(link)
Yes. Yes we do. Man, I wish my Photoshop-enabled computer were still working.

Now to let everyone else interested know, I guess.
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[personal profile] duffy 2010-05-11 06:04 am (UTC)(link)
*standing ovation*
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[personal profile] iambickilometer 2010-05-11 06:16 am (UTC)(link)
Hey, if you, uh, want to keep being awesome in this regard, I was persuaded to start a community: [community profile] captaincopyright. We'd love to have you. And everyone. But especially you.
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[personal profile] janice_lester 2010-05-11 07:05 am (UTC)(link)
Beautifully put.
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[personal profile] janice_lester 2010-05-11 07:25 am (UTC)(link)
This. So much this.

People who are into fan fiction read a lot, and I do mean a lot, of stories at all levels of quality, from Holy Shit Pulitzer to Holy Fuck My Eyes My Eyes I See the Reaper Coming for Meeeeeee.

I think this is an important point. There were things about how a narrative works, or should work, or could work, that I never understood. Terms like "conflict" were bandied about constantly while I was working through my several degrees in English (literature). But I didn't get it. And I didn't begin to get it until I got seriously immersed in fanfic. Fanfic allows me to read stories of all quality levels, it allows me to approach the story as a story written by someone like me, a fan, not someone who is artificially placed above me by the fact that his/her work is sold to the likes of me or prescribed by someone with a doctorate, and this gives me perspective. It also means that I can stop reading when I lose interest and not feel that I have wasted money by not reading every single word. So I did a lot of that. And then I started to interrogate. Why had I stopped reading such and such an apparently well-written, typo-free Harry Potter fic at this point? Generally, because the conflict had petered out, or had never been there to begin with. I didn't learn this stuff at university. And I strongly suspect I'm a better scholar for it, even though many of my 'academic' skills have rusted over now and I have only vague memories of how to cite in MLA style. :-)

So we've all gotten better at reading, and reading critically, and at interacting with the story. And, yes, that means we might not like you anymore. We might now be painfully aware of how you suck or how you fail, in ways that we wouldn't have been before our time in fandom. And that's scary - readers who are now judging your work and maybe finding it wanting.

I think this is a huge part of it. Traditionally, the reading public relies on qualified gatekeepers like English professors and the official book reviewers in the Sunday paper to tell them what's worth reading. We aren't supposed to be able to tell on our own, we're just supposed to know that we didn't like something, which the Big Important Author can write off as a mere matter of taste, the way s/he can write off a negative opinion from the professor as intellectual codswallop and a bad review in the paper as sour grapes (because, after all, those who can, do; those who can't, teach; and those who wanted to and tried hard but couldn't get anywhere, well, they become book reviewers and drama critics, right? Right?) Fandom helps us get the skills we need to say "I didn't like this" with authority, to get from "this sucks" to "this sucks and here's why:". And the internet gives us the tools--customer reviews on Amazon being one of the most obvious--to let other people know these things before they buy the book. How frightening this could be for those published authors who are, or fear they are, mediocre or downright bad.

(Anonymous) 2010-05-11 02:00 pm (UTC)(link)
*grins* i'm so there with you. i know she's already got a spin-off series, but if she did a Kyle/Warren book, my life would be complete.

-bs, too lazy to log in
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[personal profile] gairid 2010-05-11 02:14 pm (UTC)(link)
Many of us also write. And when you do that, when you read and write a lot, you learn things. (Unless there's a baseline competence issue, and some of us do have those, but yay! Mostly not.)

So we've all gotten better at reading, and reading critically, and at interacting with the story.


I feel like I catch meta pretty well for the most part, but I've never been one to indulge in writing meta so when I come across something like this, which should be entirely obvious but for some reason hasn't been until just now, it gives me a great deal of pleasure.

I've always written 'fanfic', I think--I recall laboriously writing down stories in which my eight-year-old self was the only person who Fury-King-Of-The-Wild-Horses would allow on his back, (inserting myself in Joey's place). It wasn't until much, much later, when the glorious, ridiculous internets came into our lives that I really started working at fanfic and working at writing-as-craft and learning what goes into telling a decent story. The more I learned the more I wanted to learn, you know?

That's when I began noticing that I was becoming less and less impressed with a lot of published work, not only in my fandom, but just in general. Having been a voracious reader all my life, I had now become less voracious and much pickier, noticing things like entire pages of sentence fragments or dialog so stilited it makes you cringe, prose so purple, you could smell the grapes and so forth.

Guess what 'pros'? Many of you are not the amazing auteurs you think are. There are fanfic writers who put a lot more effort and thought into what they do than some of you bother to, especially those of you are your 18th formulaic whodunit/fantasy/sci-fi/whatever novel. Maybe what you're afraid of is that you need to be working a little harder at your craft.

Excellent, excellent post!
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[personal profile] michelel72 2010-05-11 03:30 pm (UTC)(link)
Here via [livejournal.com profile] metafandom. Well said.
Edited 2010-05-11 15:30 (UTC)
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[personal profile] midnightcolor 2010-05-11 04:14 pm (UTC)(link)
well said, my darling, well said ♥
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[personal profile] fuzzytale 2010-05-11 04:18 pm (UTC)(link)
Patricia Briggs has actually been my most recent run in with the 'problem' of being a much more critical reader than I once was. I love her world and many of her characters and she's a better story-teller than many published authors I've read of late, but she still has *so* many glaring holes. Most notably in her incredibly poor use of secondary characters and frequent inadequate justifications for her characters' actions. It's frustrating, b/c it could be So Much More. And yes, very much yes to Warren/Kyle fic...as well as to fic exploring many other of her very badly neglected secondary characters.
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[personal profile] celtprincess13 2010-05-11 07:20 pm (UTC)(link)
OK, I've already said this to at least two other people in reference this same issue, but:

I.Love.You. Period. Full Stop.

What I love most about fandom's reaction to this is how well-spoken and non-rantish the responses are.

Oh, and just in case you don't know--the two blog posts about this issue that ProfessionalWriter wrote? Have been completely removed, as of this morning. In their place? Her admission that she sent copies of her first novel, with its scenes of rape and sodomy of MainCharacter, to the Dr. Who actor who supposedly "inspired" said main character, how ever peripherally. Which puts her squarely in the territory of that which she hates-fanfic.
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[personal profile] schneefink 2010-05-11 07:44 pm (UTC)(link)
This is so wonderful I don“t have words for it. :D

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