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Keep Hoping Machine Running ([personal profile] thefourthvine) wrote2010-06-06 03:01 pm

205: General Joy

This entry is dedicated to Best Beloved, who has dragged me back to my old system for organizing stories to rec. It's very inspiring, and I'm not sure why I've been putting it off for, um, three years or so. (Let this be a lesson to those of you who are likely to engage in a battle of wills with Best Beloved: she is implacable when determined. It is better just to give in now.)

Anyway, there may be some crazy amounts of recommending as we work through the new (old) system. If it reaches spammination levels, that would be Best Beloved's fault. (If you like it, of course, that's totally to her credit.)

Today: gen!

The One with the Best Damn Trial Scene in the History of Creation. Almost No One Makes It Out, by [personal profile] atrata. Iron Man.

When I was going through that phase of role-playing gaming where you have to try every system ever devised, I created several characters using someone or other's superhero system, where you rolled percentile dice (which, for you non-gamers out there, gives you a result from 1 - 100, or rather, from 01 - 00) on a chart to determine your Super Special Powers (mutant or otherwise - things like being really, really smart were on there, too). If you got 00, you got TWO powers.

I love this story, first and foremost, because it makes it very, very clear that Tony Stark rolled 00 on that table. He is not just a mechanical genius; he is also rich. Richness is a superpower all in itself. And if you take that superpower away from him, as [personal profile] atrata does in this story, you end up with a very different person. Richness insulates him from a lot of things: the consequences of his actions, the real world, his inability to deal with people. Richness also gets him lots of things: equipment, security, people to solve his problems, special privileges, and attention. And I just cannot get over how amazing it is that [personal profile] atrata took that away from him and still kept him the Tony Stark we all know and, um, probably feel vaguely conflicted about loving quite so much, because he is, in all honesty, a total asshole.

And I also love Pepper in this story. I simultaneously long for Iron Man fan fiction and avoid reading most of it, and at least half the reason is that I fear for what will happen to Pepper. It's deeply important to me that she remain independent of Tony even as she's managing him, and that she stay competent and smart, and I worry worry worry that in Tony/Pepper stories she will be reduced to helpless weeping. Plus, okay, I admit it; my actual ideal pairing for Tony Stark is some kind of complicated sex machine that he builds himself:

"Pepper! I've perfected my greatest invention, and now I don't need women!"

"Oh, really. Does that include me?"

"Don't be ridiculous. Hey, watch this."

"Oh my god no. I'll be upstairs. If you need me to dial 911, tell Jarvis." And then she calls Rhodey and they bond for a while over the Impossibility of Tony Stark, and I think it is now obvious to everyone that one of the reasons I don't read much Iron Man fan fiction is that I am already writing it in my head.

(And now that I've totally fallen in love with this story, I - well. You all know how Dark Agenda is having the Racebending Revenge Ficathon, right? Where people make a white character not white? I want someone to make Tony Stark's skin much, much darker and see what happens. I cannot even tell you how much I want that.)

The One That Can Double as a Portland Guidebook, If You Ever Find Yourself in Oregon and Wondering What Jim Kirk Would Do. Graduate Vulcan for Fun and Profit, by [livejournal.com profile] lazulisong. Star Trek Reboot.

Someone on my friends list (sorry, I can no longer remember who, but if it was you, fess up - it was [profile] brown_betty!) was talking a while back about her Secret Smarts kink, about how she loves stories where a character who is, you know, kiiiiiiind of a doof in the canon is revealed to have believable hidden skills or competence or brains. And I agree with her. It's a rare thing to see it done well, but when it is - oh my god I love it so. And this story is the exemplar of the genre.

For one thing, it is obvious to me that Reboot Kirk must have Secret Smarts. And not because of Pike's whole "genius-level" comment (many is the character I've been told was a genius, and usually I have a hard time believing it), but because I have seen TOS, and I tell you what, Original Kirk is no one's fool. (Okay, he's Spock's, if Spock needs one, because he is whatever Spock needs, but otherwise, no.) So it works for me that Reboot Kirk, in the process of becoming all tarnished and bruised, learned to hide his intelligence.

And I love the background [livejournal.com profile] lazulisong gives him here; it adds some complications and depth back to the Misunderstood Hero deal that Abrams went with. I mean, I love a Misunderstood Hero as much as the next girl - which is good, because otherwise I would have to move to a small island without electricity or any kind of communication with the outside world and read nothing but cruise ship brochures - but I love it most when the Misunderstood Hero has some other stuff going on. I like to add a few adjectives to his archetype, is what I guess I'm saying. And this story so perfectly does that, without in any way making him less perfectly Reboot Kirk.

As if all that wasn't enough to make me love this story, there is also an incredible OC in it. He's - he is everything I want in a Vulcan: he's smart, he's tricky, he's so stubborn that redwoods everywhere just give up and move on when faced with him, and he's just barely emotional, just enough to remind us all that Vulcans could be the masters of melodrama if they wanted to be but they choose not to be. (I tell you what, the Federation is lucky there isn't an inhibition-loosening drug that Vulcans use a lot, because it'd be fucking scary: 90% of the time, they're the living definitions of flat affect, but the other 10% of the time, humans everywhere are saying, "Dude, just - just calm down. And please, please, please - stop singing.")

The One That Proves, Once and for All, That John Sheppard Will Not Thank You for Doing Him Any Favors. Earth 2, by Martha Wilson. Stargate: Atlantis.

If there is one thing that we all learned from Gateverse canon (or, okay, that you all learned from the actual canon, and I learned from reading your ep summaries and meta), it's that Pangloss was right, after all: this is the best of all possible worlds. Which, okay, gives me some pause, because - seriously? Especially when you throw in the Goa'uld and all? These are the ideal initial conditions? But apparently there is no change that could possibly improve things. It's all downhill from here. (I am pretty sure that the Gateverse folks did not realize how inherently depressing this is. Try not to think about it, that's my advice.)

In this story, we get to see John Sheppard learn that very thing; he gets to travel to one of those other, less wonderful universes. But not just any of them. (I'm going to try to talk about this without any spoilers, but, seriously, you should just go read the story right now.) And not just any John Sheppard - it's the original, pre-Atlantis John Sheppard, and here is how we know how fucked up John is: Atlantis was actually therapeutic for him. As in, he got more emotionally healthy in an environment of constant stress, danger, and insanity. (I suspect Kate Heightmeyer had an unfinished paper on this very subject, talking about how John and Rodney, pretty much alone in the expedition, somehow got better from it.) As it happens, I have a sneaking fondness for early John Sheppard, so I love this story.

And this story also hits my competence (and smartness!) kink - here we get to see John (plus a couple of other people, naming no names) being surprisingly good at things, given that he is utterly clueless. (Something John should be used to, of course. Good But Clueless is pretty much his middle name.) And also there is a plot, which notice how I am determinedly not spoiling it.

...Actually, I had better shut up about this story right now, while that's still more or less true.

The One in Which We Learn That One of the Major Risks of Time Travel Is That You Might End up Being Schooled by Yourself. Klein Bottle, by [livejournal.com profile] basingstoke. Torchwood.

For most fandoms - television fandoms, anyway, and any fandom that has a lot of fan fiction in it - I find, sooner or later, that I've divided the fan fiction into eras, based not on when the story was posted, but when the story is set in the canon. And usually somewhere in there, there's the Nostalgia Point, the setting I miss most once canon (and therefore most stories) has moved past it. I re-read stories in the Nostalgia Point a lot, especially if the canon progresses to the point where I don't want to read new stories in it very much at all.

This story is set squarely in my Torchwood Nostalgia Point. I'm not sure when it is in actual Torchwood canon, since I've never seen any of it and have only a vague sense of the progression of events, but I know what I need the story to be set after. And, definitely definitely, set before. This is a twisty and blissful little story; it's filled with the complications of being Jack Harkness, his emo and his majesty, but it's also in the relatively innocent period of Torchwood, and I love that.

But that is not why I love this story. I love it because it's a time travel story, and time travel has always been one of my biggest narrative kinks, and here it is so very perfectly done. And [livejournal.com profile] basingstoke handles one of the difficulties of writing about time travel - if there are multiple versions of character X in the room, but they are from different times and therefore are different people, how do you deal with that? - as well as I've ever seen it done, here. And there has never been a better reason to use second person. (Plus, second person is the only way it's really possible for me to believe what I'm told about Jack's thoughts, because he's so shifty I firmly believe he could lie to an omniscient narrator if he wanted to.)

So: great story, great writing, great nostalgia. I really do not see what you could possibly be waiting for, here.
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[personal profile] rivkat 2010-06-06 10:36 pm (UTC)(link)
Do you read graphic novels? If you do, Supreme Power gives you, not Tony Stark with much darker skin, but Batman (and Flash) that way and the results are really fascinating. I highly recommend it, though unfortunately I think they've discontinued the series now.
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[personal profile] rivkat 2010-06-07 01:29 am (UTC)(link)
There is always Amazon or bookfinder--the trades should be readily available from other sources.
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[personal profile] such_heights 2010-06-06 10:41 pm (UTC)(link)
I adore that Star Trek story beyond the telling, and the rest all sound marvellous! *bookmarks for post-exam reading bliss*
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[personal profile] bessemerprocess 2010-06-06 10:53 pm (UTC)(link)
I now desperately want fic in which such a substance hits Vulcan and Starfleet collectively freaks out.
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[personal profile] bessemerprocess 2010-06-07 01:40 am (UTC)(link)
All I have for this is love and squee. This is awesomesauce!
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[personal profile] macey 2010-06-07 03:09 am (UTC)(link)
\o/

...I would feel stalkery, but my time-wasting ways brought this Awesome, so instead, I shall take pride in my Ninja!
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[personal profile] dine 2010-06-07 04:26 pm (UTC)(link)
OMG! this is so fabulous - please please please let there be more coming soon!!!!!
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[personal profile] cesy 2010-06-10 07:21 am (UTC)(link)
Heee, awesome. Is there more?
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[personal profile] concinnity 2010-06-06 11:41 pm (UTC)(link)
My Torchwood reading relies on recs and careful filtering- even reading with a safety tab open doesn't work ever since someone repeated/remixed that thing with the alien!whale. *shudder*

Which is to say, thanks to you and BB! recs! basingstoke's was very nice indeed. :)
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[personal profile] concinnity 2010-06-07 12:27 pm (UTC)(link)
You really, REALLY do not want. In canon, it made Owen cry. In my life, I had actual nightmares about it. If you see anything having to do with the alien!whale!thing! BACK AWAY. Do not read. There is animal harm. *shudder*
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[personal profile] livrelibre 2010-06-07 12:44 am (UTC)(link)
That Iron Man story is excellent! And I just said in a kink_bingo prompt/request (NSFW) that I would pay cold hard Internet cash for that Racebending Revenge ficathon story.
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[personal profile] livrelibre 2010-06-07 12:57 am (UTC)(link)
Ooh, just checked and nextian's planning on doing this! \0/
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[personal profile] brownbetty 2010-06-07 01:30 am (UTC)(link)
The secrets smarts post was POSSIBLY MINE.
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[personal profile] bluemeridian 2010-06-07 01:52 am (UTC)(link)
Plus, okay, I admit it; my actual ideal pairing for Tony Stark is some kind of complicated sex machine that he builds himself

This is why I really want a fic wherein Cameron from Terminator: The Sarah Connor Chronicles to time travel into Tony's vicinity.
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[personal profile] bluemeridian 2010-06-07 02:53 am (UTC)(link)
*nods* It helps that Cameron is played by Summer Glau, who also played River on Firefly - so she has plenty of experience acting crazy + badass.

Cameron:

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[personal profile] watersword 2010-06-07 11:27 am (UTC)(link)
I will pay you actual cold hard internet porn to write that.
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[personal profile] eleanorjane 2010-06-07 02:07 am (UTC)(link)
I find, sooner or later, that I've divided the fan fiction into eras, based not on when the story was posted, but when the story is set in the canon. And usually somewhere in there, there's the Nostalgia Point, the setting I miss most once canon (and therefore most stories) has moved past it.

Oh thank god, I thought I was the only person that did this. I can definitely identify my Nostalgia Points in SGA and HP, and I always want to ask people for recs set around those periods, but I never quite know how to phrase it. You're brilliant. :)
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[personal profile] eleanorjane 2010-06-07 03:10 am (UTC)(link)
For SGA, it's late Season 2/early Season 3 I think - and bear in mind that I stopped watching the show in early Season 2, so I might be mixing it up. I think more than anything it's the presence of Elizabeth (and, less so, Carson); although I'm not hugely invested in Elizabeth as a character, the stories of that vintage are what feel the most like "true SGA" to me.

In HP, it's around Book 4; the gloves have come off, it's definitely a world at war, but there's enough free play that there's still plenty of imagination about how the finale's going to happen, and still lots of room for awesome speculation and worldbuilding about the wizarding world.
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[personal profile] juliandarling 2010-06-07 02:55 am (UTC)(link)
Not normally a gen fan, but this was all so well written. *swoon*
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[personal profile] bingeling 2010-06-07 07:19 am (UTC)(link)
Anyway, there may be some crazy amounts of recommending as we work through the new (old) system.
Never before was I more looking forward to someone's spam!

+bookmarks everything for after Bachelor's thesis is handed in+

Especially looking forward to the SGA story. I have such a weak spot (the size of sun spots) for pre-canon Sheppard. I think that's why kaneko's Intersections is probably still my favourite SGA story, even though it's obviously been Jossed from front to back by now.

(reposting because of total inability to click the right comment link)
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The Value of Secrets

[personal profile] dorothy1901 2010-06-07 11:20 am (UTC)(link)
my actual ideal pairing for Tony Stark is some kind of complicated sex machine that he builds himself

Like the cornucopia of myth, fandom provides. The Value of Secrets by Maya Tawi.

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[personal profile] atrata 2010-06-07 03:30 pm (UTC)(link)
my actual ideal pairing for Tony Stark is some kind of complicated sex machine that he builds himself

Mine too. I think that's why any time I try to write actual honest-to-god Tony/Pepper, it either doesn't happen or it ends in heartbreak and tears (mostly mine).

Anyway! Thanks very much for the rec.
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[personal profile] sothcweden 2010-06-07 05:35 pm (UTC)(link)
I don't think there could ever be too many posts from you. They're too much fun to read! Of course, now you've got me curious about your new (old) system for recs and how the two differ. Blame the library geek in me.

And I absolutely adore that Reboot story. I haven't read it, but listened to [livejournal.com profile] templemarker's podfic. The description of Jim's research always makes me grin, and his eruption of "...born on the SHUTTLECRAFT, YOU SONOFABITCH," makes me laugh out loud. A story that's definitely my happy place.

[identity profile] misspamela.livejournal.com 2010-06-06 10:38 pm (UTC)(link)
I just have to say, OH MY GOD THAT DIRTY DANCING AU YOU RECCED IS SO FREAKING GOOD.

I may have talked about it entirely too much all weekend. I just want to live in that story.

[identity profile] thefourthvine.livejournal.com 2010-06-07 01:17 am (UTC)(link)
IT IS SO AWESOME. I LOVE IT TO PIECES.

(And I want a million sequels. Is that so wrong?)

[identity profile] mardia.livejournal.com 2010-06-06 11:15 pm (UTC)(link)
I want someone to make Tony Stark's skin much, much darker and see what happens.

Thank you so much for breaking my brain with that, OMG.

[identity profile] thefourthvine.livejournal.com 2010-06-07 01:19 am (UTC)(link)
IT WOULD BE AMAZING. Because, let's face it, to get away with being Tony Stark, you need to be super-smart, super-rich, and WHITE.

[identity profile] thefourthvine.livejournal.com 2010-06-07 02:12 am (UTC)(link)
True fact. (Sadly, I just assumed that went without saying.)

[identity profile] laughingacademy.livejournal.com 2010-06-07 03:06 am (UTC)(link)
Oh shit, now I want a story about Antoinette "Toni" Stark.

[identity profile] geeklite.livejournal.com 2010-06-07 03:14 am (UTC)(link)
That would indeed be kick awesome!

[identity profile] mardia.livejournal.com 2010-06-07 06:18 am (UTC)(link)
I can't remember who exactly has done that, but girl!Tony has indeed been written, and quite well if I remember!

[identity profile] atrata.livejournal.com 2010-06-07 03:33 pm (UTC)(link)
Here (http://quigonejinn.livejournal.com/164361.html)!

[identity profile] mari-redstar.livejournal.com 2010-06-09 12:13 am (UTC)(link)
Conveniently, if she wanted a secret identity, she could just step back and allow the media to dub the vaguely-human-shaped robot suit "Iron Man".
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[identity profile] macey-muse.livejournal.com 2010-06-07 03:06 am (UTC)(link)
no, but, but. imagine him super-smart, super-rich, black, and FLAMBOYANTLY FABULOUSLY GAY.

[identity profile] mardia.livejournal.com 2010-06-07 03:37 am (UTC)(link)
I WAS ABOUT TO SAY. Like look. Tony Stark could not get away with HALF the shit he pulls if he's played by, say, Idris Elba instead of Robert Downey Jr.

[identity profile] thefourthvine.livejournal.com 2010-06-07 04:27 am (UTC)(link)
Having hastily googled Idris Elba, SO MUCH YES. (I was just thinking, if they'd switched the actors, so that the guy who played Rhodey was Stark and RDJ was Rhodey - whoooooole different dynamic.)

And, oh oh oh, can you imagine if he was MIDDLE EASTERN? The whole Iron Man world would look different!

[identity profile] deepbluemermaid.livejournal.com 2010-06-06 11:22 pm (UTC)(link)
Let this be a lesson to those of you who are likely to engage in a battle of wills with Best Beloved: she is implacable when determined. It is better just to give in now.

Now I'm imagining the Earthling as an irresistable force, and Best Beloved as an immovable object...

Anyway, there may be some crazy amounts of recommending as we work through the new (old) system. If it reaches spammination levels, that would be Best Beloved's fault. (If you like it, of course, that's totally to her credit.)

I think I can safely predict that most of us will appreciate lots more rec posts from you!

[identity profile] thefourthvine.livejournal.com 2010-06-07 01:35 am (UTC)(link)
Now I'm imagining the Earthling as an irresistable force, and Best Beloved as an immovable object...

It - is like that, yeah. Although Best Beloved is much less immovable when it comes to earthlings. (She is susceptible to the cute.)

[identity profile] oddegg.livejournal.com 2010-06-06 11:32 pm (UTC)(link)
Ok, admission up-front: I may not read these because they're gen and my brain has pretty much been completely subsumed to the dark slash side (hey, they had cookies!)

But, BUT! Your summing up of fics is worth the entrance price on it's own and I just wanted to say that! (though the SGA one sounds intriguing. And the Trek one. And the Iron Man...)

And I hadn't heard of the Racebending thing - thanks for the link!

[identity profile] geeklite.livejournal.com 2010-06-07 01:29 am (UTC)(link)
I am the biggest slash fangirl ever ever ever (actually if I don't stop eating this chocolate that may be true in the literal sense) but the Trek one is totally, totally worth taking a detour into gen. *nods*

[identity profile] thefourthvine.livejournal.com 2010-06-07 02:31 am (UTC)(link)
I am not quite that die-hard a slasher, but keep in mind that I am one, and all of these appeal incredibly strongly to me. They are at least worth trying! If, you know, you are sitting around one night, out of things to read, and you think to yourself, "I would like something certifiably awesome, and I am willing to go outside my usual boundaries to do it."

And the Racebending thing promises to be AWESOME, I think. Ever since I heard of it I have been assembling a mental wishlist. It is now the size of Pluto.
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[identity profile] macey-muse.livejournal.com 2010-06-07 12:43 am (UTC)(link)
Eeeee there are two fics here! that I have not read! (I think; I have thought this before and been wrong!) zomg.

what're the weirdest fics you've ever recced, or read? 'weird' as in 'fannishly unusual', I mean~ like, I don't know if you've read the one where (http://chance.popullus.net/stories/orfeo.txt) Jake Sisko ends up (http://chance.popullus.net/stories/eye.txt) with a vulcan castrati (http://chance.popullus.net/stories/anslem.txt) ?

*bounces* I am so looking forwards to being spammed with recs, though. I've spent the past fortnight alternating between mindless grinding on my current mmorpg and trawling ff.net profile favorites for mid-range HP and Naruto long-fic ^.^' I need to regain my fannish self-respect or something...

[identity profile] thefourthvine.livejournal.com 2010-06-07 02:39 am (UTC)(link)
Oh, man, I have no clue at all. My problem is that if it's awesome, I'm sold and I can no longer see it as weird, and if it isn't awesome, I tend to forget about it, so that will require some thought. I will have to get back to you.

But, okay. Jake Sisko - is he the guy from the Trials and Tribbilations ep that came with my TOS set? I need a reference point!

And, ohhhhh, have you found any good Naruto long fic? (Best Beloved adds, pleadingly, that she will take Naruto fic of any length at all. She loves Naruto fic, but I don't find a lot of it, so she feels VERY DEPRIVED.) The Hoyden is writing Gai/Iruka, but I cannot wait for that!
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[identity profile] macey-muse.livejournal.com 2010-06-07 03:00 am (UTC)(link)
Ooooo, oh wait you already know Maldoror, so you will have read Diplomatic Relations (http://tentative.net/JBMcDragon/Hidden_Village/diplomaticrelations1.html), right? She's got some more awesome stuff (http://www.ficwad.com/author/11649) on ficwad. Team 8 (http://www.fanfiction.net/s/2731239/1/Team_8) is pretty awesome, WiP though - Naruto ends up on Kurenai's team with Hinata & Shino. Here's where I'm wishing I'd finished tagging my ff.net bookmarks... 163 down, 352 to go? ^.^' Um, Disillusioned (http://www.fanfiction.net/s/4646300/1/Disillusioned) is good, WiP, a long TenTen/Neji mission-fic, one of the best het fics I've read in ages. There's The Way of the Apartment Manager (http://www.fanfiction.net/s/2422891/1/) & sequel (http://www.fanfiction.net/s/2684700/1/The_Guardian_in_Spite_of_Herself), gen, raising-Naruto-right fic. Scorpion's Disciple (http://www.fanfiction.net/s/5166693/1/Scorpions_Disciple) is a funky side-on look at powerful!Naruto au, with puppets in place of ninjutsu. I've loads of ff.net fic tagged here (http://www.fanfiction.net/community/Pomegranite_Seeds/17432/99/0/1/), all of which is at least readable although quality varies - if you need volume, then that should keep even you tied up for a few months XD Oh, and there's a crossover fic in which Duo Maxwell somehow ends up in the Naruto verse, iirc? I'd have to dig to find that one, it was a while back. Also a surprising number of fics in which Harry Potter gets adopted by Itachi (!) or becomes the adoptive brother of Naruto or adopts Naruto (and sometimes Sasuke, too) himself... Seriously, the field of psychological study is missing out if they don't start using ff.net trends to analyse tweenage girls. some of them are fascinating ^.^'

Ahaha no. Jake Sisko is a minor character from Star Trek: Deep Space Nine (the one on a space station that tries to be like Babylon 5 but fails); no knowledge of him is required, at least not beyond general Vulcans-have-pointy-ears-also-logic type star-trek general knowledge. (but seriously. castrated vulcan opera singer. \o/ /choir geekery)
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[identity profile] macey-muse.livejournal.com 2010-06-07 03:01 am (UTC)(link)
wait, is that a DS9 ep? if so, he's the station manager's son, he runs around with a ferengi teen and gets in trouble~

[identity profile] geeklite.livejournal.com 2010-06-07 01:28 am (UTC)(link)
I totally second the rec for Graduate Vulcan. That may be my favourite Kirk ever! Even better than plush Kirk who hangs out with childthing. (Close enough to a teddybear, right?)

[identity profile] thefourthvine.livejournal.com 2010-06-07 02:42 am (UTC)(link)
He is indeed a Kirk of Great Awesomeness, although childthing's Kirk may be even better. It's hard to say. I would need a photo, for comparison.

[identity profile] geeklite.livejournal.com 2010-06-07 01:30 am (UTC)(link)
Also I am totally going to buy Best Beloved a pony for making you do recs again! \o/

[identity profile] thefourthvine.livejournal.com 2010-06-07 02:44 am (UTC)(link)
She will take the pony, but will also accept cookies, apparently. (Virtual ones, she has specified.) She's easy! In some certain things!

[identity profile] forsweatervests.livejournal.com 2010-06-07 01:51 am (UTC)(link)
Lady, I have been wracking my damn brains trying to figure out how to rec these fics. I had actually put all of them in separate, very-specific categories, and had somehow managed to forget they were all gen. Brilliant, brilliant recs. Somehow you managed to cut to the heart of each of them.

[identity profile] thefourthvine.livejournal.com 2010-06-07 02:49 am (UTC)(link)
Thank you! That is high praise indeed. But now I am curious which categories you had them in, because at least one of these stories, I was like, "It fits NOWHERE, so thank god it's gen."

[identity profile] forsweatervests.livejournal.com 2010-06-07 03:12 am (UTC)(link)
My notes are a little haphazard, but here goes:

Ordinary AUs: A step to the left:
(did I take that from someone?)
Iron Man AU where Tony is po' and Pepper is, perhaps Falling For His Shenanigans while Tony, decidedly, Is Not. (Falling For His Shenanigans)

More to a character than you ever thought:
(also fourgy undertones)
(The Jim Kirk Version) Graduate Vulcan

The Ones I Only Understand Half Of Thanks To My Ignoring The Source Materials (i.e. what the hell are the Goa'uld/Jaffa?):
JShep is The Stoic-est Woobie of All Woobies for Realsies, Yo. Why Do People Keep Lying To Him?

How To Make The Right Choice of Persons: Second Person
KB


Probably not totally coherent, but. These are the notes I start with, and I should own my shame.

[identity profile] thefourthvine.livejournal.com 2010-06-07 04:25 am (UTC)(link)
The Ones I Only Understand Half Of Thanks To My Ignoring The Source Materials (i.e. what the hell are the Goa'uld/Jaffa?):

I can provide guidance on this point, because while I also have ignored the source material, I have read many many SG1 stories, and that helps. Goa'uld: parasitic sentient snakes that take over host bodies and control them completely. They have a fondness for dressing up like Egyptian gods, because mostly they were the Egyptian gods. Smart, evil, tend to try to take over the earth a lot. Jaffa are their warrior servents, pretty much - Teal'c is a Jaffa. They're super strong, super powered, and very long lived, because they carry an immature Goa'uld, a Goa'uld larva, inside them - the Goa'uld is too young to take them over, but it can provide some of the same physiological benefits that Goa'uld provide to their host bodies.

Probably not totally coherent, but. These are the notes I start with, and I should own my shame.

You should see the random incoherence that my notes start as. It is a miracle I ever manage any kind of coherence at all.

[identity profile] forsweatervests.livejournal.com 2010-06-08 01:01 am (UTC)(link)
Goa'uld: parasitic sentient snakes that take over host bodies and control them completely.

Okay, see, I knew one of them was kind of like the Yeerks (Animorphs? y/y/mfy?) but I didn't really know what was what.

They have a fondness for dressing up like Egyptian gods, because mostly they were the Egyptian gods.

Egyptian gods? Really? That must have played out really well on SG1's budget. Is that why it was necessary to have an anthropologist on the team? I always wondered what their excuse was there; I mean, usually you get the military team first in, first out, and *then* the civilians. Of course, you see how they adhered to the rules of common sense on SGA, so.

Jaffa are their warrior servants, pretty much - Teal'c is a Jaffa.

Is he the dude with no facial expressions? Or is he the I-like-to-eat-nails-for-breakfast one? Man, I should wikipedia this show.

[identity profile] thefourthvine.livejournal.com 2010-06-08 02:25 am (UTC)(link)
Egyptian gods? Really? That must have played out really well on SG1's budget. Is that why it was necessary to have an anthropologist on the team? I always wondered what their excuse was there; I mean, usually you get the military team first in, first out, and *then* the civilians. Of course, you see how they adhered to the rules of common sense on SGA, so.

Well, here's the thing. SG-1, the series, was - probably you knew this, but I always appreciate it when people dial back to the basics for me, so I'm going to do that here - based on a movie called Stargate. The movie established Daniel's character (I think James Spader played him in the original, maybe?) and also the Egyptian gods thing. See, in that movie, which I have seen, although not for many many moons, Daniel is hired by the Air Force as a consultant because they dug up this big round thing in Egypt and no one can figure it out. Daniel figures it out - he's an Egyptologist - and they take him with the team when they go through because they figure it's going to be all Egyptian over there. It is. Jaye Davison (from The Crying Game) is the Big Bad Egyptian God, ruling over some humans there. Daniel meets Sha're and decides to stay behind; Jack O'Neil (note the single L), played by I think Kirk Douglas, lies and says he blew up the Stargate. But he does kill Jaye Davison. And then he comes back to earth.

So, when they made the series, they had some parameters already established: Jack, Daniel, stargates, and Egyptian gods. And the gods, it turns out, are fairly easy, as long as you have a lot of gold spray paint.

Is he the dude with no facial expressions? Or is he the I-like-to-eat-nails-for-breakfast one? Man, I should wikipedia this show.

I - am not sure who you mean? I think maybe he's both. But! I direct you to the most awesome source imaginable: Arduinna's Stargate Handbook (http://www.stargatehandbook.org/). It knows all.

[identity profile] forsweatervests.livejournal.com 2010-06-11 12:19 am (UTC)(link)
Okay, first: Dialing back to basics fully appreciated. Second: Holy crud. I'm really impressed a) you've never seen the source material and still know/understand all of this and b) that you're willing and able to put it all down here. I killed myself googling episode recaps and pictures and finally giving in and watching the first two seasons (and spots) of SGA, and absolutely gave up when it came to SG-1. Thank you for the help! Do you know why they changed O'Neil to O'Neill? Were they pretending they were two different Jacks?

And the gods, it turns out, are fairly easy, as long as you have a lot of gold spray paint.

Heeeheee.

I - am not sure who you mean? I think maybe he's both.

After rereading my description, I would agree. He absolutely could be both (even in my head) save for slight height, weight, and chromatic differences. I'm not even sure right now which one was supposed to be distinguished by the particular adjectives I chose. To the Stargate Handbook! (Which, I agree, is the freaking tops. Jeez, how had I not already found this? fail.)

[identity profile] forsweatervests.livejournal.com 2010-06-07 03:14 am (UTC)(link)
And, yes, I was going to do a separate post for all of them. ::HUGE SIGH::

[identity profile] uncacreamy.livejournal.com 2010-06-07 12:36 pm (UTC)(link)
He really is whatever Spock needs. And the other way around, too. I spent my childhood fantasizing about them with each other.. and reading books that always came so.. very.. close to it, but never got there.

Books, actually, that they ripped off slightly for this movie.

I've never read fandom before, until the last Star Trek story you posted, because I couldn't help myself. It was then I realized that I'd been reading Star Trek fandom my whole life.. it was just published.;)

[identity profile] uncacreamy.livejournal.com 2010-06-07 12:49 pm (UTC)(link)
Also, holy crap, Kodos!

[identity profile] rheanna27.livejournal.com 2010-06-07 07:36 pm (UTC)(link)
For the record, more recs from you is not something I am ever likely to complain about.

[identity profile] mcshepylove.livejournal.com 2010-06-08 12:38 pm (UTC)(link)
Yay for Best Beloved! *hands her a cookie*

[identity profile] basingstoke.livejournal.com 2010-06-09 03:33 am (UTC)(link)
I return from gafiation vacation to gently glow with happiness. :D

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