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Keep Hoping Machine Running ([personal profile] thefourthvine) wrote2006-10-22 06:47 pm
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Poll: Consensus, Part One

So. I miss talking to and hearing from y'all. But I'm suffering from a tiny problem, namely absence of any ability to finish anything. Someday I hope to be able to write actual useful sentences that connect to other sentences again, but today is not that day, so I'm going to do a themed poll series instead of meta or a themed recs post. (There are only three parts to this themed poll set, but I realize that, from me, three posts is totally massive spamming. My apologies in advance.)

The poll's theme is: consensus.

In part one, below, I'm going to try to establish my relative fannish sanity by consensus. To do so, I need to take you on a brief tour of my brain, focusing on two particular fannish things it does that I'm starting to suspect are - well, weird. (And keep in mine I'm judging myself compared to other fans; we'd already be considered insane by many of Them Folks Out There.)

We will now depart on our trip through TFV's brain. Please keep your arms and legs inside the vehicle at all times.

Imaginary Fandoms. I have, um, imaginary fandoms. I don't mean original fiction that I tell myself - I mean original fandoms, where I come up with, for example, a long and detailed original story, and then entertain myself with considering - and sometimes, um, even writing - various types of fan fiction or kerfluffles or meta that might result from given installments of the story. Sometimes I do, like, a TV series, and cast it with imaginary actors and plan out both FPF and RPF. In my most recent imaginary fandom, I've even begun mentally vidding it.

These imaginary fandoms hit basically all my buttons, of course. I'm not actually going to describe this in any kind of detail, because, um, oh my god so embarrassing that I kind of want to die just from typing it out, but the current one involves time traveling teams (one "temporal scientist" and one assassin-ish type) from the future. The main team, at this point (in my head, we have arrived roughly at book or season three), has uncovered evidence that they are working for - and trapped by, and no, I'm not even going to elaborate on the whole legal enslavement aspect, because I do not want to die of embarrassment - an organization of extremely questionable ethics and purpose, which opposes an organization that also has extremely questionable ethics and purpose. Oh, and the timestream, which they're supposed to protect, is slowly dissolving.

I have assorted mental fan fiction for this story, all carefully tagged to various chapters or episodes. I have, as I said, mental vids. I entertained myself on one long, hideous drive to Pasadena imagining the meta resulting from the end of book or season one.

I'm pretty sure that all this is the very definition of sad and pathetic. But, hey, this is fandom - maybe we all do this. Do you?

Epics That Must Not Be Read. (Term borrowed from the only other person I know for sure has written one of these. She will not be named here - unless she just wants to be - out of mercy for her.) Another thing I do is write these long, involved pieces of FF that are only for an audience of one, and that one person is me. They're always AUs of some kind, and they always start in canon and move sharply away from it, and they always entertain the hell out of me. But only me.

I've written two. The first is a BtVS story that currently stands at 80 pages of actual story, 30 more of notes and dialog, and 5 of outline, plus 10 pages of deleted scenes. It assumes that canon remains the same up to "Once More with Feeling." (Please note that "Once More with Feeling" is the only episode of BtVS season six that I've seen - and I haven't seen any of five or four, either. No, wait - I think I've seen one episode in season four. My point is, the first clue I had to the ETMNBR status of this beast was that I was writing in canon I hadn't seen.) At that point, a single line changes, and this massively alters everything from then on. In terms of timeline, I've written up to where season nine would have been if there had been one, and I know how things will resolve in season ten.

There are only two people in the world who would be interested in this story; one is me, and the other is Best Beloved. We've both read it. I know it's an ETMNBR, so I'm not worried about finishing it. But I re-read it fairly regularly, and I still write on it from time to time, because it entertains me so damned much.

The other one is much more embarrassing because I didn't realize it was an ETMNBR until after I sent it to be beta-read. It's also rather long (and needs to be much, much longer), an AU that assumes canon up to a certain point and then sharply diverges, and entertaining only to me. (My poor, poor betas - some of them actually read the fucker, and provided really helpful, thoughtful, useful comments - in short, they helped me make a story that was interesting only to me even more interesting. To me. At the cost of a lot of their time and effort. I would send them flowers and chocolate except that I'm embarrassed to speak to them.)

Now for consensus. Feel free to judge harshly.

[Poll #851020]

[identity profile] notpoetry.livejournal.com 2006-10-23 01:43 am (UTC)(link)
I have "imaginary fandoms" in the sense that I write television pilots and movie screenplays as a part of my everyday work required for classes, and then I fantasize about the series and the fandom and all the meta and kerfuffles and what sort of fic would be written, and also dream about winning an Emmy and my interview on the Daily Show and basically I'm a giant narcissitic nerd.

But then there are the pilots and screenplays I will never write, the ones that are so shamelessly self-indulgent and slashy (like the screenplay that's basically an adapted version of Stephen Fry's The Liar mashed in with Christopher Dunn's Kit Marlowe and features a lot of Hugh Laurie and Stephen Fry running around the roofs of Cambridge and being spies and writing comedy and loving each other). And the fandom for that, in my head, would rival SGA, Smallville, and Supernatural put together. (Hey, a girl can dream, right?)
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[personal profile] ratcreature 2006-10-23 01:46 am (UTC)(link)
You are kind of weird...*g* the idea of imaginary fandoms never even occurred to me. But yours sounds rather cool. I mean, if it existed, I'd probably be in it. Heh. As for the epics, I chose "something else" because I just don't write fanfic, so I don't have any on my hard drive, but I assume if I wrote I might have some.
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[identity profile] cereta.livejournal.com 2006-10-23 01:47 am (UTC)(link)
#2, no, but only because I'm generally too lazy to write much of anything that I don't plan to post, and when I do, it's usually bad erotic novel-type things ("type" as in I never write more than a few bits of them) with original characters.

[identity profile] 30toseoul.livejournal.com 2006-10-23 01:50 am (UTC)(link)
Dude. My ratio of ETMNBR to posted fic? About 20 to 1. They aren't WIPs; they are mental handjobs that will never see the light of day, no matter how many chapters I write.

[identity profile] darthfox.livejournal.com 2006-10-23 01:51 am (UTC)(link)
You know, I think what you call "imaginary fandoms" are what people who work in the television industry call "projects in development". I'm just saying.

[identity profile] minervacat.livejournal.com 2006-10-23 01:52 am (UTC)(link)
i have never WRITTEN an epic that must not be read, but i basically have a really twisty, long epic that must not be read featuring extensive fandom crossovers and mary sues and canon timeline rearranging for my purposes and general wretchedness IN MY HEAD, and i've been telling myself parts of it - to help me fall asleep, to distract me in class - for going on, um, two years now. i add crossover characters to the epic in my head as i acquire new fandoms, i revise past canon if i decide i want my mary sue to end up with someone different than she'd been with before, and, oh my god, i cannot believe i am admitting this in public.

but you're not alone. i think the only reason i've never written it down is because i could not handle the shame if someone ever FOUND it.

[identity profile] grey-bard.livejournal.com 2006-10-23 01:54 am (UTC)(link)
I've never *written* any epics that must not be read, but I've sure had fun plotting them out and thinking them. I just don't write them because... I'm lazy.

Well, not exactly an <i>imaginary</i> fandom...

[identity profile] ink-monkey.livejournal.com 2006-10-23 01:57 am (UTC)(link)
...it's just one I haven't gotten around to writing yet. But it will exist someday, mark my words! I've already begun wondering what the most popular slash pairings will be, and planning deliberate subtext for them. Yes, I'm pandering to not-yet-in-existence fans. I'm egotistical that way.

I haven't started writing ETMNBRs for it yet, though. That's next, after I write the damn thing during NaNoWriMo. Then, and only then, will I start writing the bizarre, slashy AUs.
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[personal profile] gelliaclodiana 2006-10-23 01:57 am (UTC)(link)
You are not alone.

I do the same -- that is, there's the massive crossover mary sue epic that I've been thinking about for... well, a lot more than two years, anyway. Characters added as my fannish interests expand, although I don't often go back and rewrite past events. And often, when I add a new fandom I start a whole new one as well.

But this will never, ever involve putting words on the page.
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[identity profile] musesfool.livejournal.com 2006-10-23 01:57 am (UTC)(link)
I have many epic mary sue stories in my head that will never be written, let alone read. I can't imagine expending the energy to write that much on something that I didn't want to share.

[identity profile] marag.livejournal.com 2006-10-23 01:57 am (UTC)(link)
Well, if *that's* what we're talking about, then I'll bet you anything that at least 50-75% of fandom is guilty! OMG, I have Mary Sue epics galore in my head, from the one where I meet Bruce Wayne and together...we fight crime! to the one where I'm the Doctor's companion and we travel in time and meet all these other fandom characters and...

Uh, yeah, I know what you mean. ::blushes::
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[personal profile] vass 2006-10-23 02:02 am (UTC)(link)
Your brain may be weird, and probably is, but I think the two things you described above may be just the natural products of an active mental story-generator. Or if they are weird it's a matter of degree, not kind. (I haven't managed 80 pages of any sort of fiction for years and years.)

Here's my own weird thing: I retell stories to myself. Silently, thank goodness. The plots of episodes, books and fanfic. Lovingly dwelling on the good bits. As if I didn't know what happens next. "And then he..." "And she says..." "And this is such a big deal, because..." I think it's a definite improvement that I don't usually retell them to other people any more, and have stopped hand-flapping at the same time.
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[identity profile] rokeon.livejournal.com 2006-10-23 02:02 am (UTC)(link)
I definitely have an imaginary fandom- the high fantasy novel I've never gotten around to putting on paper has half a dozen mental fanfics that go with it. Including a vampire AU and two separate Highlander crossovers. I'm not proud about those.

The ETMNBR are similar- they've been outlined and plotted in my head, but so far I've managed to resist actually writing them down. Which is good, because they are legion.
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[personal profile] blackletter 2006-10-23 02:04 am (UTC)(link)
I certainly do the imaginary fandom thing. (I'm currently focused on a slash AU of my imaginary fandom. And I have a lot of fun imagining shipping wars.)

As for the ETMNBR, I don't have any *fandom* epics...mostly because I don't do much fandom writing period. But I have plenty of original fic that probably qualifies as something similar. (In that it's long, involved, crazy and done to entertain me and only me, as opposed to the things I actually want to publish someday. Oh, and these pseudo-ETMNBRs tend to be essentially fanfic of my own original stories.)

[identity profile] rosaleendhu.livejournal.com 2006-10-23 02:05 am (UTC)(link)
My Epic that Must Not Be Read exists solely in my brain. It's up there. I could type it if I wanted, but the near-constant mental editting is part of the fun of keeping it inside. That and the MC is undeniably a Sue. No need to inflict that on any form of text.

[identity profile] macadamanaity.livejournal.com 2006-10-23 02:05 am (UTC)(link)
Wow, um. I thought I was the only one who did that!
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[personal profile] runpunkrun 2006-10-23 02:07 am (UTC)(link)
I was all ready to say "hell no" to the ETMNBR question, but then, slowly, miserably, I realized I had written many unfinished ETMNBRs...it's just they're all original fiction. And they're all horrible. But at the time I was totally in love with them.

Writing fanfiction actually helped me grow out of that, thanks to having an audience (and not wanting to embarrass myself in front of them) and their virulent hatred of Mary Sues.

Okay, I think I have to go hide my head under a pillow now that my brain has embarrassed me so thoroughly.

[identity profile] auburnnothenna.livejournal.com 2006-10-23 02:07 am (UTC)(link)
You're talking about me, aren't you? I confess the great shame of my fannish life in one comment (one!) and suddenly it's immortalized as an acronym. And a mighty pretty one at that. (Also, oh, my poor betas, who were battered with out of sequence chapters for months on end, helped when they had little to no interest in the fandom, and never saw anything posted: I am heartily sorry, but keeping it away from anyone's eyes is the only responsible and sane response to over fifty chapters of X-Men comicverse AU covering hundreds of years and my obvious fan crush on Gambit.)

I answered maybe on the poll of imaginary fandoms. I don't really do it anymore, but I used to entertain myself through bouts of insomnia by lying in the dark and dreaming up plots and characters and imagining the wonderful book reviews that would greet this opus. I think that counts. If I'd known about fanfiction at the time I would absolutely have been imagining fanfiction of these stories.

[identity profile] minervacat.livejournal.com 2006-10-23 02:07 am (UTC)(link)
i am so genuinely relieved that i am not the only one who does this. i mean, i should have known better - in fandom, someone else always shares your weird habits! - but i am really, really happy that i am not alone.

and yes: never, ever involve putting words on the page.

[identity profile] minervacat.livejournal.com 2006-10-23 02:08 am (UTC)(link)
fandom: bringing weirdos together, one quirk at a time. :)
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[identity profile] etben.livejournal.com 2006-10-23 02:09 am (UTC)(link)
I am something else on all counts! because, OK: imaginary fandom-wise, it's not so much that I make up fandoms, but that I occasionally treat my life as a fandom. For values of "occasionally" that are set equal to "really kind of a lot". In the sense of: when stuff happens (like it does), I'll say to myself, Oh, OK. This is clearly the episode where ______ happens! And I frequently find myself thinking about the kind of fic I'd write for my life, were I watching it on TV or reading it curled up in bed. And, yeah: there's sometimes a soundtrack, but that's pretty standard.

I don't know - it's not so much an Imaginary Fandom as it is recontextualizing my life in terms of fandom, or something similarly valid-sounding. Except, um, not really, and shut up I know.

As far as Epics That Must Not Be Read, I don't ever commit them to paper (or, um, pixels?), but I have a couple of stories that I tend to think through at dull moments. Which, really, that's the same deal, except for how nobody will ever read them.

[identity profile] minervacat.livejournal.com 2006-10-23 02:09 am (UTC)(link)
seriously, i thought i was alone. it's my favorite bedtime story, the epic in my head where my mary sue is adored by many fannish characters. it's like the best sort of comfort story, really.

[identity profile] deepsix.livejournal.com 2006-10-23 02:10 am (UTC)(link)
I like to think that my imaginary fandom isn't all that crazy, because if I ever got off my ass and like, put the idea to paper, it could, theoretically, some day, maybe even be a real one. I mean, not likely. But still!
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[identity profile] musesfool.livejournal.com 2006-10-23 02:11 am (UTC)(link)
I have a massive mary sue LOtR epic *in my head* that was dormant for ten or fifteen years, until the films came out and re-sparked my interest and then I was like, "Hmmm... I remember that..."

All of my MS epics are for thinking about on long commutes etc. I don't write them down because then that's like setting them in stone and that's no fun.

[identity profile] kikkimax.livejournal.com 2006-10-23 02:12 am (UTC)(link)
The one story that I truely wrote for myself, and then somehow actually, uh, posted it? Even thought I just knew there would never be an audience for it out there anywhere? (Odd combination crossover, not really slash, not really gen, in fact I really couldn't categorize it one way or the other but it hit all my own buttons *g*.) It went over really well in both fandoms. Really well. I can die now.

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