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Keep Hoping Machine Running ([personal profile] thefourthvine) wrote2009-07-24 11:08 pm

[Rant]: Fantasy Warnings

I love love love authors who use warnings, largely because I rely on them. But, in addition to the big important warnings, I think we all also have fantasy warnings. Or, okay, I do. Here are just a few of the ones I long to see on stories - or, hey, I'd like to slap them on myself, sometimes.

WARNING: I wrote this same story five years ago, except then it was Clark/Lex and now it's Kirk/Spock. It's also been Angel/Buffy and Holmes/Watson. It's just my area of interest! I even recycled a lot of the sentences from the first two rape scenes, so you know what the really specially interesting parts are.

WARNING: I am going to use a tragedy that would normally be the main focus of any story in which it occurred (death of a child, death of a family, death of an entire race or culture, whatever) as a mechanism for getting my pairing to fuck. I am pretty sure that makes it more dramatic and arty. I don't actually intend to address any of the probable outcomes of this tragedy, like sadness, say, or maybe even some anger. It's just background tragedy. It's the kind of thing that is really seriously awful but people forget it and they are entirely all right as soon as they have some sex with the right person.

WARNING: There's a lot more to this story, but I didn't feel like writing it. Or any plot or characterization or anything, really. Mostly I just wrote "cock" a lot.

WARNING: All dialogue sounds the same to me.

WARNING: The content of this story is going to take an abrupt left turn midway through, and I'm going to attempt to keep the tone the same, so you're going to end up with, say, a story about rape told in a light romantic-comedy style. Whiplash is probable.

WARNING: I don't really have any plot left, but I wanted to write another story in this series because it turns out I didn't get to talk about their Christmas presents! It's going to be a very traditional Christmas, even though one of my characters is a Jew and the other isn't from this galaxy.

There are other warnings I'd like to see, too.

WARNING: Scenery Chewing by People Who Are Normally on a Scenery-Free Diet

See, okay. I would like to introduce a new concept that has probably been discussed a million times before but not by me and I am ranting and ranting means no searching through several dozen years of meta before posting.

This concept is: emotional range.

It is very convenient for us that terrible things usually happen to our characters in canon! (We will address what to do if terrible things don't happen to your characters in canon in a minute.) This gives us some idea how they will react to any terrible things we might do to them. (And, frankly, we do a lot of terrible things to them, but we also make sure they have lots of blowjobs. Perhaps it balances out?)

I realize this does not sound radical to most of you, but trust me, it is.

So, take Jack O'Neill. He's an especially convenient case, because the worst thing that could possibly happen to him has already happened, and we know exactly how he reacted. No, that thing is not Daniel's death(s); it's Charlie's. The entire planet could explode and not be worse than that. So his response to Charlie's death could be considered a ten on his emotional range. Probably everything - everything - else that happens to him, up to and including the end of the world, should be no higher than an eight.

Or, let me put this another way, for people who didn't like number lines: if Jack survived Charlie's death - and he did! - he's unlikely to fall down weeping and cutting himself in the gateroom if Daniel breaks up with him.

Or let's take reboot Spock, who doesn't have a kid and did see his entire world blow up. And his mother die right in front of him. Spock's reaction to that was, as I understand it, to get grim-faced, and then later beat the shit out of Kirk. (And I have to say, based on the footage I've seen, that Kirk did not precisely seem to mind.) Again, falling down weeping on the bridge if he breaks a nail is really unlikely. Unless you, say, shoot him up with some kind of massive inhibition-reducing virus (And has anyone done a challenge of redoing TOS eps in the reboot universe? Because if so, I want to see a MILLION RESPONSES for The Naked Time, which happens to be the only TOS ep I've seen and so very worth it.), Spock is not going to spend a lot of time sobbing into his pillow. (Which is good, because crying Vulcans are very bad for morale. In fact, I'm betting the Enterprise's alert scale goes something like this: yellow alert, orange alert, red alert, oh shit we're all fucked alert, and, finally, the dreaded crying Vulcan alert, which immediately enacts the wills of everyone on board, supplies them all with a powerful euphoric narcotic, and notifies their next of kin.)

Now, what if you are in one of those fandoms where the worst thing that ever happens to someone is that his toilet catches on fire? My first suggestion would be that maybe, just maybe, this is not the fandom for the festival of world explosion and child death. But, hey, fine, maybe you want to write that in MythBusters or whatever. Your choice! In that case, here are some rules of thumb:
  1. Cutting is not everyone's first response to trauma.
  2. If you let people fill in some emotional blanks, what they imagine will likely work better for them than what you've written.
  3. Vomiting is not everyone's first response to trauma.
  4. Some people cry. Some people hit things. Some people take over small nations. It's a good idea to know which type your character is and write accordingly.
  5. Fainting is not everyone's first response to trauma.
These are just guidelines! If you want to write about how Grant breaks up with Jamie and Jamie faints and weeps helplessly and cuts himself and pukes on set, go right ahead. You might want to put a warning on that one, though. I suggest:

WARNING: This absolutely isn't intended to be parody or farce, but you could be forgiven for thinking it is.

WARNING: Relationships That Could Have Come from a Classic Romance Novel

You know, people often talk dismissively about virgins writing sex scenes, or insist that they can tell that the writer of a given sex scene has never actually had sex. This is not so much my issue. I've had sex, and there was in fact a three-year period of my life when I apparently did nothing else. And yet I routinely fuck up sex scenes when I write them - I'll get them back from my betas with gentle comments like, "In our species - which is what I thought John was! - men generally only have the one penis. I say this because you've given him two." I once wrote a penis-in-vagina sex scene in which, in the first draft, neither party removed their skin-tight pants.

My point is: it's easy to get lost in the words, and I know this. When I read a biologically impossible sex scene, my thought is not, "Oh, what a virgin" - because, what, virgins can't do research? My thought is, "Oh, how sad. I wish she'd had my betas."

No. My issue is when I read a story and hope the writer has never had sex or been in a relationship. Because, look, it's not supposed to be like that. Like, I don't know how to tell you this, but, say, Blair being desperately in love with Jim, while Jim totally thinks (not says, but thinks) Blair is an idiot and a slut and a basically worthless person but is helpless to avoid fucking him anyway, and what a bitch Blair is for tempting him in that way: that is not a love story. The only possible happy ending for that story is if Simon stages an intervention ("Listen, the thing is: Jim's just a dick. A great cop, but a total, total douchebag. Let me introduce you to someone a little nicer, okay?") and Blair moves the fuck on with his life, possibly after photocopying Jim's penis, reducing it to 75%, and then papering the squad room with it.

Or, to take another example - when two people are having sex, and one of them thinks something along the lines of, I am so turned on that if he tells me to stop I won't be able to, that is not an awesome and sexy thought. That is a thought that makes me cringe, because if it's true, that character is an asshole at best, and yet usually the story is inviting me to see "not being able to stop" (and those quotes are used correctly, because, seriously: you can always stop; there's no such thing as sexual inertia). Basically, the only way that can be romantic and loving is if, say, Arthur thinks it, and then Merlin says, "Hey, stop," and Arthur immediately does. You have to have the character prove himself wrong, or it isn't true love, it's time for Merlin to go cry on Gwen's shoulder a bit and then enter a happy relationship with - well, anyone. Gwen! Morgana! Lancelot! The dragon! Not Arthur, is my point.

I mean, do feel free to write stories in which people think stalking is insanely romantic, or whatever. But, again, consider using this warning:

WARNING: After you're done reading this, you'll wonder if you should make a small donation to my therapy fund. PayPal accepted.

WARNING: Roget Wept

True fact: you cannot imitate the dialogue or internal voice of a very smart character or someone with a great vocabulary (or both!) with just a thesaurus. Here's why, and I really want to put this in the largest font ever seen on the internet, but I will refrain:

You can only use a thesaurus if you already know and are comfortable using the alternate words suggested.

See, okay - there seems to be some confusion about this. When you look up a word in a thesaurus, you get a range of choices. They do not all have precisely the same denotation, and they sure as shit do not have the same connotation. You're supposed to look at the list, select the one that is most appropriate for your particular context, and go with it.

You're not supposed to just swap words in and out willy-nilly. The result is, at best, strange and stilted, and at worst it's extremely comical. It's hard to take Fraser's narrative about his true love seriously when he's marveling over Ray's glamorous and presentable penis, or to truly believe Uhura when she waxes rhapsodic about Spock's haunting ears and spicy fingers.

The suggested warning for people choosing not to follow this advice is:

WARNING: This story is best used as a Find the Unfortunate Not-Quite-a-Synonym game. Double points to anyone who can fill in the original word!

P.S. For the good of fandom's soul, someone needs to do drawings of him embracing her waste and her body going taunt, things like that. There must be SOME way to communicate why these are such painful errors, and I think art is our last best hope.

ETA: Oh my god, people, look what [livejournal.com profile] greensilver did! Embracing her waste and her body going taunt. It is AWESOME.
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[personal profile] helens78 2009-07-25 06:47 am (UTC)(link)
This is the best rant ever. I want to frame it and hang it on my wall. :)
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[personal profile] cesare 2009-07-25 06:50 am (UTC)(link)
Basically, the only way that can be romantic and loving is if, say, Arthur thinks it, and then Merlin says, "Hey, stop," and Arthur immediately does.

So true. I totally want to steal this now.
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[personal profile] anatsuno 2009-07-25 12:02 pm (UTC)(link)
ha! I was HOPING SOMEONE WOULD. Actually, not even - I was reading the rant along and came to the part about that thought not being a sexy one and I thought to myself 'except if the story proves it's wrong, and then it's just unreliable-narrator-y and subjective pov stuff of LURVE and yeah, that's sexy." and then I continued reading and turns out I wasn't the only one thinking that! So yes, now I RLY wanna read that. :)

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[personal profile] melannen 2009-07-25 07:11 am (UTC)(link)
I agree with all of these.

Although, RE your ps: I occasionally wish people would actually write those stories. Particularly - okay, John Sheppard? He has discrete relationships. Extremely discrete. So discrete that even *he* may not be aware that they are actually connected to each other, or in fact that they are connected to him, or in fact that his own body is connected to him. John Sheppard is the *king* of keeping emotion-related things discrete. (Plus, geeky enough that you could do some really awesome stuff around math metaphors.)

And yet, every time I see a story summary that talks about how John has discrete relationships, and I think, yay, finally that story that is centered around John's pathological disconnectedness! And then it turns out to just be John and Rodney sneaking around in storage closets again, and I am sad.
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[personal profile] hooloovoo 2009-07-25 07:40 am (UTC)(link)
Oh, god, discrete. I spent several days yelling at people about homonyms and spelling after I read two professionally published novels in a row that misused discrete. It was horrible. My faith in humanity was shaken. Briefly.

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[personal profile] blueraccoon 2009-07-25 07:12 am (UTC)(link)
Congratulations! You win one shiny internets. *hands it over*
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[personal profile] auburn 2009-07-25 07:54 am (UTC)(link)
Listen here, I don't want to see anyone embracing anyone else's waste (nor even their own), it's bad enough picturing it each time (I have an unfortunately visual imagination anyway).

I would, however, be happy to see an illustration of a man painting after a woman. Or Rodney McKay's heart-shaped ass (does anyone besides me think of the way a real heart looks first and kind of wince at that cliche?), in which case the artist could go with an GLBT theme and use a rainbow palette.
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[personal profile] amalthia 2009-07-25 08:06 am (UTC)(link)
rofl...loved your fantasy warnings. :)
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[personal profile] cimorene 2009-07-25 08:30 am (UTC)(link)
Of course there's also the pedestrian

Warning: I hate women

and

Warning: I am not at all familiar with canon

and the ever-popular

Warning: I am obsessed with the powerful life-changing qualities of having children and I also dig heteronormativity, so even though this story seems to have nothing to do with kidfic, it's going to have some unbelievably preachy moralizing and ridiculous Lifetime-movie scenes involving children clichés and in fact, you'll be lucky if it doesn't conclude with the OTP abruptly becoming parents and your access character being stereotypically feminized!


or

Warning: this story is about [insert subject such as history, mental illness, a foreign country, a profession], but I don't actually know anything about that. Or care.
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[personal profile] kate 2009-07-25 01:51 pm (UTC)(link)
Warning: this story is about [insert subject such as history, mental illness, a foreign country, a profession], but I don't actually know anything about that. Or care.

I've actually seen this warning on a fic. I blinked, went, "Okay, then," and moved on. It is the only time in the history of fic-reading that I've not read a fic because of a warning.

Not reading a fic because of author's notes, though...

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[personal profile] lomedet 2009-07-25 08:38 am (UTC)(link)
*places chocolate and flowers at your feet*

best. rant. ever. hands down.
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[personal profile] marina 2009-07-25 10:13 am (UTC)(link)
AHAHA that was an awesome rant! All of those warnings would be pretty awesome to have.

I mean, do feel free to write stories in which people think stalking is insanely romantic, or whatever. But, again, consider using this warning:
All through those paragraphs I kept thinking: TWILIGHT.

(and those quotes are used correctly, because, seriously: you can always stop; there's no such thing as sexual inertia).
I couldn't help LOLing at this section because it reminded me of one of the most hilarifying RL moments I've ever had. In bootcamp our sergeant gave us the mandatory "sexual harassment in the IDF" talk, only she was awesome to she turned into a kind of discussion asking us what we thought SHOULD constitute sexual harassment and then providing the right answer and talking about the whys and whats.
Sergeant: So, if a guy is doing something you were initially OK with but has now turned into something unpleasant, is he obligated to stop if you ask him to?
Girl: No, of course not.
EVERYONE PRESENT: O_O
Girl: Look, once guys get going you can't just tell them to STOP! They're all revved up!
After that the entire class turned into 25 minutes of everyone in the tent trying to explain to this girl that NO, REALLY, THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS SO REVVED UP THAT YOU CAN'T STOP. The look of sheer horror on that sergeant's face, jesus.

I realize this would go somewhat against the spirit of the rant, with the focus being emotional range, but I would also like to add these warning (GOD PLEASE ADD THEM YESTERDAY):

Warning: this is a story where everyone is a sex slave but all the sex happens offscreen - because for sex slaves sex plays no role in their characterization.

Warning: I wanted to write a story about this Nasty Dirty Wrong kink I have but because it OMG so Nasty Dirty Wrong I can not bring myself to actually write it so here's 5 pages of me waxing poetically about it in theory.

Or, its cousin:

Warning: I was going to write sex into this series - and stated so quite loudly - but now that, as a WiP it's become quite popular, I'm too embarrassed to write the actual sex scenes so everything will be fade to black.
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[personal profile] farasha 2009-07-25 05:09 pm (UTC)(link)
Holy shit, that story. I really hope that y'all pounded it into that girl's head that YES YOU HAVE THE RIGHT TO SAY NO, JESUS.

I am curious though - which branch was this, and was this discussion separated by sexes? My brother is on fire to go into the Marines, and he's also kind of a misogynist asshole. I'd feel better if I knew there was a sergeant putting the fear of God into him. ("Boy, if I ever hear that you took advantage of a woman I will hang you by your ankles down at the end of the firing range," or something similar.)

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[personal profile] shadowvalkyrie 2009-07-25 10:15 am (UTC)(link)
So very true! (I'm pretty sure going through this, ticking off lines with a "Yay, I don't do this (anymore)!" says bad things about me as a writer, but it's still one hell of an ego boost. *facepalm*)

WARNING: All dialogue sounds the same to me.

Happens especially when you write from a dubbed/translated version of canon. Been there. ":-/

You know, people often talk dismissively about virgins writing sex scenes, or insist that they can tell that the writer of a given sex scene has never actually had sex. This is not so much my issue. I've had sex, and there was in fact a three-year period of my life when I apparently did nothing else. And yet I routinely fuck up sex scenes when I write them

Seconded! When I have sex, I'm too busy to make notes for my next fic, damnit! (On the other hand, getting a sarcastic comment on a badly written blow job helped me see what I've been doing wrong all this time in RL...)

WARNING: After you're done reading this, you'll wonder if you should make a small donation to my therapy fund. PayPal accepted.

Actually, I like stories that would warrant this warning -- but only if the author is actually halfways self-aware enough to use it. *sucker for fucked-up relationships*

WARNING: This story is best used as a Find the Unfortunate Not-Quite-a-Synonym game. Double points to anyone who can fill in the original word!

Hell, yes! I'm still trying to figure out where the "rapacious cock" in a recent bad!fic came from. The mental image hasn't left me alone ever since. (Sharing the pain makes it easier. You're welcome.)

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[personal profile] torch 2009-07-25 10:49 am (UTC)(link)
Hee! Truthfully, I kind of enjoy the Roget Wept kind of stories when they just get worse and worse and I can't stop giggling. Or maybe that's just a spontaneous defense mechanism since I'm fond of Ezra Standish, who wouldn't say many of the things attributed to him in fanfic on a bet. Well, maybe if there was a lot of money involved.

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[personal profile] anatsuno 2009-07-25 12:06 pm (UTC)(link)
Oh, I foresee many rereads of this one. Such brilliance and fun, I am dazzled. :D
Clearly you should rant more often!
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[personal profile] perfica 2009-07-25 12:22 pm (UTC)(link)
Shine on, you crazy diamond (in other words, I agree with you). Or, should I say: glisten upon, ye stupendous colorless crystalline form of pure carbon.

[identity profile] silentcs.livejournal.com 2009-07-26 06:35 am (UTC)(link)
I love this comment so much that I think "glisten upon" should replace "rock on" in all conversations.

Glisten Upon!!
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[personal profile] princessofgeeks 2009-07-25 12:24 pm (UTC)(link)
you are brilliant. thank you. never change.
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[personal profile] the_shoshanna 2009-07-25 12:26 pm (UTC)(link)
oh my god, I love you so much right now.
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[personal profile] resonant 2009-07-25 01:17 pm (UTC)(link)
[giggles helplessly at "Warning: Roget Wept."]

In my old job, I was the only writer in a building full of artists, and when people had to write a memo or a report or something, they'd usually bring it to me for help. And you haven't lived until you've seen a report that's been thesaurus-decorated and then had the author argue with you. "You know, 'ameliorate' is not really the word you want for what a high-resolution printer will do." "But, look, it says right here ..."
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[personal profile] kate 2009-07-25 01:54 pm (UTC)(link)
This is utterly brilliant, and makes me want to create a delicious tag system using your warnings.
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[personal profile] queue 2009-07-25 02:03 pm (UTC)(link)
I second that emotion.

Seriously, TFV: this is WAY beyond awesome, and should be required reading for every writer before they finish their first piece of fanfic. I sure hell could have used it.

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[personal profile] azurejay 2009-07-25 02:40 pm (UTC)(link)
(Parachuting over from a rec on LJ.)

Awesome, awesome. What Queue said--I really could've used this ten years ago :P

WARNING: This absolutely isn't intended to be parody or farce, but you could be forgiven for thinking it is.

I think I'm going to start using that one, actually.
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[personal profile] ghost_lingering 2009-07-25 03:06 pm (UTC)(link)
I've wanted someone to write this rant for so long, seriously. Thank you so much for doing it. Also, randomly, this:

Which is good, because crying Vulcans are very bad for morale. In fact, I'm betting the Enterprise's alert scale goes something like this: yellow alert, orange alert, red alert, oh shit we're all fucked alert, and, finally, the dreaded crying Vulcan alert, which immediately enacts the wills of everyone on board, supplies them all with a powerful euphoric narcotic, and notifies their next of kin.

Makes me wonder if vulcans have anything like onions that cause them to involuntarily cry, which, of course, would lead to wacky hijinks when everyone on the Enterprise thinks that Spock is actually, you know, crying instead of just cooking dinner with Uhura or something.
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[personal profile] scrollgirl 2009-07-25 08:42 pm (UTC)(link)
Oh, brilliant! I so want to read that fic now!
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[personal profile] mtl 2009-07-25 03:13 pm (UTC)(link)
Roget wept, indeed!!


Some people take over small nations. - that would be Lex Luthor, si? ::g::

I SIMPLY ADORE YOU.
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[personal profile] watersword 2009-07-25 03:27 pm (UTC)(link)
Why are you not running fandom yet? Because you totally should be. Or at least running a lot more challenges, because damn you have some great ideas for stories and I am now very sad that I cannot actually read them. Like the Merlin/Arthur one! The Reboot remix of The Naked Time! I want to read those now!

[identity profile] silentcs.livejournal.com 2009-07-26 06:43 am (UTC)(link)
kagedtiger wrote a Reboot version (http://kagedtiger.livejournal.com/4674.html) of The Naked Time as part of a series, but I too believe that this "crying Vulcan" alarm system needs to be explored further...
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[personal profile] carolyn_claire 2009-07-25 03:33 pm (UTC)(link)
I would love, adulate and fancy a badfic challenge based on your warnings. I so would.
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[personal profile] dragonfly 2009-07-25 03:50 pm (UTC)(link)
God, you crack me up!
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[personal profile] cypher 2009-07-25 04:07 pm (UTC)(link)
True fact: you cannot imitate the dialogue or internal voice of a very smart character or someone with a great vocabulary (or both!) with just a thesaurus. Here's why, and I really want to put this in the largest font ever seen on the internet, but I will refrain:

You can only use a thesaurus if you already know and are comfortable using the alternate words suggested.



I mean, love for the whole rant, but this one especially. I had to have one or two really awkward conversations with my freshman composition students on that topic. (Odds that, in an academic paper, you can substitute "insinuate" for "claim" to good effect: very, very low.)

EDIT also, someone who is actually in Star Trek fandom, which I am not, should make a "crying Vulcan alert" icon.
Edited 2009-07-25 16:29 (UTC)
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[personal profile] sugared 2009-07-25 04:46 pm (UTC)(link)
Linked here by [personal profile] cypher.

I laughed through this entire thing. Laughed harder when I read warnings that matched up to old fics I've written (I am so ashamed that I have at least one old fic that requires the last warning. We shall not speak of it further.). And laughed harder still at your anecdote about your betas. (Mine kindly pointed out to me once when I had a character remove his pants 3 times without ever having put them on first.)

Your glimmering intellect delights me.

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