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Keep Hoping Machine Running ([personal profile] thefourthvine) wrote2009-12-26 08:17 am

Amok Time

I realize everyone in the world is busy with Yuletide, but, well. We had a Very Star Trek Christmas in our household, and I though I would post my reactions for the four people not wholly distracted by small fandoms.

This was my first official episode of Star Trek! And, you know what, I enormously enjoyed it.

General Observations

The weirdest thing about this show, by far, is that all the people look like people. They're old enough to be in the jobs they have. They have big noses and wrinkles and bad posture and, although none of them is fat, they are not skin stretched over bones, either. They all move differently, from the bizarre, unnatural movements that Shatner seems to favor to the calm, controlled, and almost unnoticeably right ones that Nimoy prefers. They all have different face shapes, instead of variations on that one weird shape you only see on actors. (Los Angeles tip: if you want to see celebrities, look for people with giant heads and weird-shaped faces. Those are the movie stars!)

And they're not pretty. The only conventionally attractive person on the regular cast, to me, is Nichelle Nichols, who is super hot. (I understand that Shatner is supposed to be conventionally attractive, too, and for some people, he might be, but to me he just looks kind of weird, like his body doesn't exactly fit him. There is no comparison for me between Shatner and Chris Pine: Chris Pine mostly looks real and human as Kirk, and Shatner, um, often does not. If it had been me, I'd've hired him to play the alien.)

And they can all act. (Although Shatner's acting choices, I'm going to be honest, totally mystify me a lot of the time.) I remember my father saying to me, many years ago, that the weird thing about British productions was that everyone could act. Actors in minor roles, actors in starring roles: they might not be pretty, but they sold every line. Same thing here. Actors in minor roles in this show are acting. Their bodies look right. Their voices sound right. It is possible to believe, without making the usual superhuman effort, that these people have long-standing working relationships and histories and lives. It is so weird.

It's doubly weird, actually, because they're doing all this realistic acting in front of sets and using props and wearing costumes that are so incredibly awful I am often completely distracted and have to rewind so that I can look at the people instead of marveling at the bizarre objects around them.

And, speaking of bizarre objects: holy fucking shit what is with that ship they work on? The Enterprise is GREY and RED and totally claustrophobic and artificial, like in the future they've decided that people work best when they are clinically depressed all the time. When they vary the grey and red, they use things like color gradients, which I have never seen used as background outside comic books. And they didn't just build the entire set of cardboard; they found a way to let its essential cardboardness shine right through. It's incredibly, laughably, indescribably bad. I have the aesthetic sense and craft skills of garden slug, and I could make a better set than that in my living room.

The camera work is weird, too: lots of close in shots, lots of still shots, and like four camera angles used in the whole episode. And all the scenes seem to go on a little longer than they should.

My sense, from this first episode, is that in fifty years we've come a million miles in terms of the technical work and stuff on TV and lost about the same amount of ground in the fields of acting and casting.

But, okay, enough about the show. Let's talk about the episode.

Amok Time

We start off with McCoy being worried and a massive dick to Chapel and Kirk being not worried at all and, despite his reputation, not much of a dick.

Spock, you see, is Acting Weird. He's not eating! He's kind of cranky! It's just not right!

Then McCoy confronts Spock, and Spock says, "You will cease to pry into my personal matters, doctor, or I shall certainly break your neck." Perhaps he has noticed that McCoy is being a dick, or maybe he's just wanting to show off his ability to use will and shall correctly.

Spock wants to go home and he does not want to talk about it, thank you.

And then it's time for some truly terrible credits with theme music that makes me check the dog to be sure his ears aren't bleeding. It's space, the final frontier, and now I understand why the ending of the Reboot made people all teary. But during the credits, we had this conversation:

Me: Every time a name comes up, it makes a swooshing noise. I don't understand why.
BB: ...You know it's because there's a ship, right?
Me, blankly: There's a ship?
BB: Before the name comes up, a ship goes past?
Me: Really?
BB: *rewinds and pauses appropriately, to demonstrate that there is indeed a ship in the credits*
Me: I thought that was supposed to be an asteroid or a potato or something.

So we started off on a very good note for me in terms of visual comprehension. Usually I can at least get the objects right, but not this time.

Back at the ship, Kirk is apparently totally unconcerned that Spock attacked Chapel - apparently, in the future, that's what nurses are for - but really upset that Spock wants to go home. Their conversation, paraphrased for speedy reading:

Kirk: Why won't you talk to me?
Spock: I don't ask for much, god damn it, can't I just have this one thing without you having to analyze every fucking word that comes out of my mouth?
Kirk: Baby, I just want to understand. Please?
Spock: It's taking everything in my power not to stab you with a pen right now, I just want you to know that.
Kirk: Okay, sweetie, don't get so mad. We'll go to Vulcan if you want to.

They change course for Vulcan, but then get ordered back to Altair. Kirk is anguished.

Later, Kirk is lying on the World's Least Comfortable Bed, which appears to be upholstered in sequins. (In the future, everything will be shiny for fifteen minutes.) Behind him are arrayed the items that Kirk has selected to keep with him through all of space and time: something that looks like an orrery, some books, what appears to be a large accordion file folder, and a big shiny red ball. The big red ball has pride of place. It's a damn important ball, people.

Kirk is doing breathing exercises, and then he leaps up and calls the bridge and the accordion file folder is an INTERCOM, oh my fucking god. Kirk is trying to find a way to get them to Vulcan. He just wants Spock to be happy. But Spock has countered his orders OMG!

On the bridge, there is ominous music, and Kirk has his hands on his hips. Someone's getting a spanking, apparently.

And then we're in the elevator. The controls appear to be a dustbuster, and apparently you have to hold them all the time to keep the thing moving, meaning that if you faint in there, you're going to die between floors. Good thinking, future designers!

Things are getting worse. Spock is now having memory problems. And speech problems. He asks for bondage, but Kirk sends him to sick bay. I find myself really liking Kirk for being so gentle with Spock and trying so damned hard.

Spock is disoriented by the grey corridors, as who would not be, but he manages to find sickbay, where McCoy examines him. Bad news: Spock is going to die if they don't go to Vulcan.

Over in Spock's room (I think - all the rooms in here look like somewhere you would illegally keep political prisoners to get them to crack. And they would. Well, I would.), Spock is staring at the photo of a young girl on a very tiny, very bulky computer, and I am deeply uncomfortable.

Spock's room contains the hideous computer, some kind of black box, a swoopy chess set designed by someone in Sweden, and a bunch of Styrofoam balls glued together. And I can see why he keeps them around: several of them are neither grey nor red, meaning Spock is part of the Color Resistance. Also, chain link fencing makes a fetching interior design note. Apparently.

Kirk and Spock have another chat. Kirk begs, pleads, and negotiates.

Spock says he has cultural reasons to be quiet. In the background, a hideous crudely-carved bipedal wolf thing looks on approvingly.

Kirk resorts to ORDERS.

Spock won't follow them; some things transcend orders. In the background, a small rug with fetching gold lame details is very sad.

Kirk swears he'll never tell a soul. "It'll just be between you and me, baby, I swear."

Spock, caving, struggles to explain, but he can only get out the word biology.

Kirk, not making his comprehension roll at all, says, "You mean, Vulcan biology? The kind with Vulcans? That they have in their biologies?" Or something like that. But then the DM gives him a second chance and he rolls a 20 and realizes they're talking about biology as in reproduction.

In an AU, this moment leads to a lengthy MPreg story. In this one, Spock explains the mating rituals of Vulcans to Kirk, and Kirk looks oddly compelled. In the background, a hanging stick is fascinated, Captain.

Spock compares himself to giant eel-birds. And salmon. Kirk looks riveted and a little turned on. Maybe it's all the talk of eel-birds.

At the end, Spock is super-distressed. Kirk curls protectively over Spock in the most slashily protective body language I believe I have ever seen on TV and says he hasn't heard a word. He promises they'll get to Vulcan.

Alone in his room, surrounded by bright red curtains bought at auction after a theater closed down, Spock cuddles up with a really bizarre looking stringed instrument. Or sex toy. It could be either, with that giant flange sticking out.

His musical instrument/sex toy time is interrupted! In a fit of rage, Spock demonstrates that in the future they make computers of papier-mâché. Brilliant! Ecological! Maybe explains the bulkiness a little!

The Admiral does not approve of Kirk's actions, and Kirk has to choose between Spock and Starfleet OH NO. Spock wins, hands down.

Kirk makes some very dramatic statements, and I am simultaneously touched by them and nauseous from the camera work. Whoever decided to let him pace while they kept the camera close up on him made a very bad choice.

There's a whole scene with Chapel and Spock that I'm not going to go into because it totally confused me, although I do know one thing: in modern fandom, this would be the scene that launched a thousand Chapel Sues.

Aaaaand they're at Vulcan. Spock says he's going to get all crazy. Kirk says "you've been patient with my kinds of madness." Everyone in the room goes AWWWW.

Spock invites Kirk down to the surface for the festival o' madness. McCoy has that distinctly uncomfortable look you get when you suspect a couple of your friends are about to start making out right next to you and you're stuck in an elevator with them, and then Spock remembers he's there and invites him, too.

Chapel brings McCoy a black purse, which she's absolutely right in thinking goes fetchingly with his outfit. Do you think maybe that purse will be important later?

We meet T'Pring via bluescreen! She's pretty, but she looks like she has a toothache. Spock also seems like he has a toothache, but that may be because he's doing the Vulcan equivalent of begging for hot sexin' on the bridge, which has got to be uncomfortable for all concerned.

Everyone, including Kirk and the theramin or whatever that horrible instrument is screeching and wailing on the soundtrack - seriously, who decided that the future would sound like knives in your ears? - is really shocked to hear that Spock's married. Well, you know, he doesn't talk about himself much.

And then we're on Vulcan, which is made of equal parts sand and glitter.

Apparently Kirk and Spock have been, uh, discussing Vulcan mating rituals off screen, because Kirk is explaining the details to McCoy, now. McCoy looks gripped. Kirk looks hot.

Spock explains melding to Kirk in a way that sounds like he's never seen it before. Best Beloved pauses to point this out, and say, "That's really odd, because I was under the impression he just whipped out those fingers every four minutes." We reflect on how that statement might sound out of context, and then dive back into the fray.

Spock whacks his gong a couple times, and then the Vulcan entry in the Eurovision Song Contest arrives with bells and tinfoil and crocheted scarves and "weapons." I cross my fingers that they won't get null points this time; last year, even Finland beat them, and they had to pretend they weren't sad. It was awful.

There is palaver about Kirk and McCoy being there, but I'm mostly just trying to figure out which of those weird, cardboard-y weapons is the guitar.

T'Pring has decided: RUMBLE ON VULCAN!

Spock has a private moment that I can't watch too closely, but fortunately we cut away to the Vulcan version of an executioner. His outfit is ... interesting. I guess Vulcans like to see nipples at the time of death.

And, ew, T'Pring will be the property of the victor. That's really icky.

T'Pring picks Kirk as her champion, surprising the pants off of everyone, including her lover. Well, T'Pau doesn't look surprised, but she probably had her surprise surgically removed several thousand years ago.

Spock comes out of his blood fever to defend Kirk. "I will do what I must, T'Pau, but not with him. His blood does not burn. He is my friend." I tell you what: I am no longer at all surprised that this show gave birth to slash as a genre.

We watch Spock beg T'Pau for Kirk's life, with some references to how deeply horny he is, and have this conversation:

BB: It's been a long time since I've seen this episode. I missed a lot of the subtle nuances before.
Me: Not so subtle.
BB: Not really, no.

Kirk decides he'd rather die than risk Spock dying, and at this point I'm just kind of inured to the slashiness. If they fucked right there on the screen, I would be only mildly surprised.

The Eurovision bellringers are giving it their all, supported by the soundtrack and the world's most nauseating camera work. There is a puff of smoke. I bet they come in at least fourth this year.

And then it's on. Kirk v. Spock, Vulcan caged death match, T'Pau presiding. The fearsome weapons come together with an almighty clonk, as though they are made out of balsa.

Spock apparently is anxious to see Kirk's nipples, because his first cut exposes them. (Maybe he's worried he will die?) They fight for a bit, and then it's a break before round two.

McCoy protests. Kirk looks like he's in bad shape and breathes like he's practicing for labor. McCoy brings out the hypospray. Boy, it's a good thing McCoy brought his manpurse o' drugs!

Next, they fight with jump ropes, and it turns out they are going to fuck right there on the screen. I lied before: I am not even mildly surprised.

And then, in a moment apparently designed by Theodore Sturgeon solely to incite women everywhere to take to their - I don't know, typewriters, notepads, whatever they had back then - and write write write, Kirk "dies" and Spock comes out of his blood fever and stumbles around looking like he just got pithed.

T'Pring explains her reasons for doing all this, and I know this probably puts me in the minority in fandom, but I totally like her. She didn't want to be Mrs. Spock, she wanted to be T'Pring, and she did her best to make that happen. Vulcan law is the problem here, not her.

Spock says goodbye to T'Pau, but he is not about to live long or prosper. He has killed his captain and his friend. His world is dark and cold and greyer than the Enterprise, even.

Back on the ship, McCoy and Chapel are playing some kind of game with colored squares. This is no time for playing, people! Spock is sad!

Spock sees Kirk and smiles. For real and true smiles.

And then, in a moment apparently designed to be sure things don't end on a good note, McCoy sends Chapel away so that they can dish on T'Pring, and, okay, I liked him for the quick thinking with the manpurse back there, but I really want to punch him in the face. Obviously this was not the right episode to start with for liking McCoy.

But even so, all is well. Kirk shall have his Spock again and naught shall go ill.

The End

[identity profile] claire.livejournal.com 2009-12-26 07:57 pm (UTC)(link)
Sometimes if I accidentally see an old TV show I can tell the difference between the people! Instead of, as is the case a lot of the time these days, being confused as to why that one chick is acting so weird and then working out later that it was actually three different people.

[identity profile] malnpudl.livejournal.com 2009-12-26 08:12 pm (UTC)(link)
YES! This is such a problem in current TV. If there are two twenty-something actresses with long blond hair, I'm screwed. Takes me several episodes before I can tell them apart reliably. Clones. Hollywood is full of clones.

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[identity profile] malnpudl.livejournal.com 2009-12-26 08:09 pm (UTC)(link)
*HEARTS AND GLEE*

ST:TOS was my very first fandom. I was twelve. And a half. I wore out three copies of David Gerrold's The Making of Star Trek before I finally got smart and put clear tape all over the cover so it wouldn't fall apart.. or at least not quite so quickly. And Kirk was the very first man I ever fell in love with.

It tickles me no end to revisit my first heart fandom through your eyes. *huge dopey grin*

[identity profile] thefourthvine.livejournal.com 2009-12-27 06:34 am (UTC)(link)
Awww. I am getting all dopey myself, imagining wee Mal and her tattered books and her pure, pure love of Star Trek. *smishes you*

[identity profile] livrelibre.livejournal.com 2009-12-26 08:22 pm (UTC)(link)
This was hilarious! I, too, have somehow missed out on seeing any TOS but if i could watch it all this way, that would be perfect.

[identity profile] thefourthvine.livejournal.com 2009-12-27 06:35 am (UTC)(link)
Watch it! I was scared, but it's a perfect blend of mind-boggling hilarious badness and fascinating, compelling goodness.

[identity profile] crysothemis.livejournal.com 2009-12-26 08:36 pm (UTC)(link)
*draws hearts around you*

I'm pretty sure I last watched TOS over 30 years ago, and yet your words have brought it all back. Only more grown up and slashy and all that.

Spock!

[identity profile] thefourthvine.livejournal.com 2009-12-27 08:47 pm (UTC)(link)
I can't imagine what it was like to see TOS as a proto-slasher, but seeing it as a grown-up slasher is AWESOME.

And, yes: SPOCK. *loves him forever and ever*
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[identity profile] lunabee34.livejournal.com 2009-12-26 08:43 pm (UTC)(link)
This is a fantastic review. I love the perspective you have and the insights that you have as a newbie to this show in the franchise that most of us who have been onboard for decades lack.

And you are not the only T'Pring lover! She is so strong and self-assured and doesn't want to be bound by the dictates of her biology any more than we are led to believe Spock wants to be. She rocks!

[identity profile] thefourthvine.livejournal.com 2009-12-27 08:50 pm (UTC)(link)
It's fun being a newbie with this show! Although there is a sort of creeping sense of, wow, I bet everything I am saying in this recap has been said a LOT of times before. But, really, talking about the Kirk/Spock love never gets old, so that's all right.

Yay T'Pring! And yay for the people who love her!

[identity profile] polaris-starz.livejournal.com 2009-12-26 08:44 pm (UTC)(link)
Maybe I've just seen the wrong episodes of TOS, but I find that I vastly prefer reboot!McCoy to the original. Mostly I look at the reboot as a fun exercise in alternate character interpretation, and like the originals as well as the reboot versions, but with McCoy I just straight up prefer Karl Urban's take on him. Not coincidentally, perhaps, my reboot OTP is Kirk/McCoy (I like the Uhura/Spock in reboot), while in TOS I am firmly Kirk/Spock.

[identity profile] thefourthvine.livejournal.com 2009-12-27 08:51 pm (UTC)(link)
I prefer Reboot McCoy to the original, too - and my Reboot OTP, like my TOS OTP, is Kirk/Spock. But, wow, McCoy is just so much more fun in the Rebootverse. *blasphemes the holy First McCoy*

[identity profile] annaalamode.livejournal.com 2009-12-26 09:02 pm (UTC)(link)
You are my faaaavorite!

[identity profile] thefourthvine.livejournal.com 2009-12-27 08:52 pm (UTC)(link)
Thank you!

[identity profile] littleheaven70.livejournal.com 2009-12-26 10:38 pm (UTC)(link)
they're doing all this realistic acting in front of sets and using props and wearing costumes that are so incredibly awful I am often completely distracted

The gleeful thing about this is that it's the same through the ages. With the possible removal of the word "realistic" I could say exactly the same thing about Red Dwarf. Dreadful sets and props, but brilliant scripts. *happy sigh*

[identity profile] thefourthvine.livejournal.com 2009-12-27 08:53 pm (UTC)(link)
Oh, yes! I loved the first seasons of Red Dwarf, and it's one of the first shows I watched, solely because you can understand it just fine even if you only follow the dialogue. The scripts are THAT good.

*loves*

[identity profile] illariy.livejournal.com 2009-12-26 10:40 pm (UTC)(link)
Fantastic review/reaction post, thanks for sharing. :D

Spock explains melding to Kirk in a way that sounds like he's never seen it before. Best Beloved pauses to point this out, and say, "That's really odd, because I was under the impression he just whipped out those fingers every four minutes." We reflect on how that statement might sound out of context, and then dive back into the fray.

*giggle* It is my firm belief that Spock's got a pretty rock-solid melding kink. He likes to meld with all manner of beings, after the initial shyness he showed in Dagger of the Mind wore off, and maybe he likes to talk about it, too. That always makes me wonder what the other Vulcans think about those habits of his. XD

[identity profile] thefourthvine.livejournal.com 2009-12-27 08:55 pm (UTC)(link)
I LOVE the idea of Spock with a melding kink. Someone else said that for Spock, melding is the only Vulcanly-acceptable way of meeting his human need for touch, and I love that idea, too. But, yeah: melding kink? SO THERE.

And I bet the other Vulcans think it's his dirty human side coming out.

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[personal profile] shinealightonme 2009-12-26 11:23 pm (UTC)(link)
*dies laughing*

I think I managed mostly to block the Enterprise's hideous, hideous interior decoration and painful "futuristic" music from my mind. Mostly. *shudders in horror* Though I do remember the cheesy cardboard sets, and oh man it is all coming back to me now.

Obviously this was not the right episode to start with for liking McCoy.

McCoy can be difficult to like. I mean, I love him, and I spent a lot of time watching this show going "DUDE, WHY SUCH A JACKASS?"

[identity profile] thefourthvine.livejournal.com 2009-12-27 08:58 pm (UTC)(link)
How could you ever forget those sets? Or the music - oh my god, I think my hearing will never be the same. I mean that literally - HOW? Is there some sort of drug you took, or guided imagery and meditation, or did you hire someone to hit you on the head? I really want to know. It could be sanity-saving knowledge if I watch many more of these eps.

McCoy can be difficult to like. I mean, I love him, and I spent a lot of time watching this show going "DUDE, WHY SUCH A JACKASS?"

I liked him in Reboot! I came in prepared to like him in TOS! But so far we are not hitting it off, on account of his dickery. *eyes him*

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[identity profile] xparrot.livejournal.com 2009-12-26 11:39 pm (UTC)(link)
Ahhh, Amok Time...yes, that is pretty much just how I remembered it. (except I don't recall a couple bits of body language and will have to go check those...!)

I think a lot of modern TV has lost something...not sure if it's acting ability, quite, I think it's more that a stagier type of acting was replaced by a more naturalistic sort which is harder to pull off. And also they used to have a lot more blatant slash guy friendships with casual physical contact. But yeah, I have an undue fondness for TV made before I was born...

[identity profile] thefourthvine.livejournal.com 2009-12-27 09:03 pm (UTC)(link)
I haven't really seen much old TV, mostly because I can't even find the time or energy to watch much modern TV. (True fact: I made a serious, serious effort to get my viewing up, managed to average two hours a week, burned out on TV and ended up not watching any for months. I am not good with TV.) So for me, it's this revelation. I just cannot get over it.

And, wow, when they were innocent about the slash, they did some amazing things with guy friendships, possibly even more amazing than Bruce Wayne sharing a bedroom with Dick Greyson.

[identity profile] liddle-oldman.livejournal.com 2009-12-27 12:18 am (UTC)(link)
A) It's sort of a pity that you're paired and I'm paired and I don't actually know you, because most days I would absolutely have your babies.

B) As for the ship -- could you do better when you have a budget of $4.95, and three days, and you're inventing it right there and then, the entire concept of SF on the telly?

OK, yeah, you probably could. but watch "The Spectre Of The Gun" and all the other sets will look lush.

C) T'Pring didn't want to be T'Pring; she just wanted to be the property of a less ambiguous guy. Frak her in both ears -- Spock could do better in any spacer's bar.

D) Nurse Chapel -- Majel is a serious feminist tragedy. In the original pilot (frankly, for a better show with a better captain), she was the First Officer. The Suits declared that no matter how far Man extended into the universe, there would never ever under any circumstances *ever* be no Wimmin officers, ever, no how, no where, and made them write her character out. Nurses in Naughty Nurse skirts -- that's what Wimmins would be, as far into the future as you cared to go.

E) The Suits also made them put in the "whooshes". The Great Bird knew perfectly well that vacuum doesn't have sound -- they Suits declared "Ship goes! Ship goes Whoosh! Why ship no go Whoosh?!? Put inna whooshes!"

F) I still cannot believe you haven't seen this show. You have to watch all of them. Especially the one where Sulu thinks he's a Musketeer -- watch that performance and you will never be surprised when he comes out decades later. (He's absolutely beautiful, half-naked and sweat slicked and joyful with the sword in his hand.)

[identity profile] readsalot.livejournal.com 2009-12-27 12:52 am (UTC)(link)
About Majel as the First Officer: what I read was that they showed the first pilot to a test audience, and such was the awful bias in society in the 60s that the entire audience, and especially the women, thought that it was just wrong for a woman to be in a leadership role. So she became the nurse, because they liked her and at least it gave her a regular role.

The whooshes came either from the suits or from the test audience--I don't remember the details of that one.

Another thing to remember about the color choices is that in 1966 many people didn't have color televisions. That's why the titles of some shows from that period say, "In Color"--it was to give people the idea of upgrading. So the production designer had to make sure that the colors would look equally good on a black and white tv, and had a special filter he could look through to get an idea of how it would look.

[identity profile] emgeetrek.livejournal.com 2009-12-27 01:02 am (UTC)(link)
Loved every single word. Thanks for letting me see my first fandom (40+ years) through your eyes. Can't wait for The Trouble With Tribbles!

[identity profile] thefourthvine.livejournal.com 2009-12-27 09:17 pm (UTC)(link)
Thank you! And, wow, I'm delighted that someone as familiar with Trek as you are found this even worth reading.

[identity profile] cellia.livejournal.com 2009-12-27 01:10 am (UTC)(link)
Heee!!! I loved this.

I feel like you totally have a handle on TOS (imho), from the epic of Kirk/Spock, to the often feminist fail of the series (and parts of fandom), to the sometimes awesome, sometimes omg-Spock-should-sue-for-harassment of McCoy, to the awesome of the acting/actors, to the cheapness of the sets and costumes.

The one other thing I think TOS has that many other SF and Trek series lack is "heart" and a true optimism about the future (see Blakes 7 if you're interested in a depressing rebuttal, though).

Also, for all its fail, it was still more revolutionary for its time than most SF series have managed to be since (sadly).

[identity profile] thefourthvine.livejournal.com 2009-12-27 09:24 pm (UTC)(link)
Thank you!

sometimes omg-Spock-should-sue-for-harassment of McCoy

As far as I can tell, everyone (except maybe Kirk) should sue McCoy for harassment. Whatever the Starfleet regulations looked like, obviously they didn't contain any paragraphs about a safe working environment or how to treat your fellow crewmembers.

The one other thing I think TOS has that many other SF and Trek series lack is "heart" and a true optimism about the future

I find that element really fascinating, actually. Before I watched TOS, I read Spock's World, Diane Duane's published fan fiction novel, and I was astonished to realize that these people were HEROES. Beloved by all! Famously awesome!

I am not at all surprised that one of the things that had to do in Reboot was beat everyone up a little and knock some of their shiny off. Modern audiences aren't looking for golden boys anymore, exactly.

[identity profile] cesperanza.livejournal.com 2009-12-27 03:09 am (UTC)(link)
1) I totally defend those sets and many of the episodes are BRILLIANTLY directed; great motion, great use of frames, et.

2) There's a whole scene with Chapel and Spock that I'm not going to go into because it totally confused me, although I do know one thing: in modern fandom, this would be the scene that launched a thousand Chapel Sues.

Are you JOKING? ONLY a thousand?? It did much much more!

3)Did I not explicitly comment to your last post saying that McCoy is a dick?

[identity profile] thefourthvine.livejournal.com 2009-12-27 09:33 pm (UTC)(link)
I totally defend those sets and many of the episodes are BRILLIANTLY directed; great motion, great use of frames, et.

I love you so much I'm even willing to believe you about the directing, but HOW can you defend those sets? GIANT. RED. BALL. Rooms that all look the same! The red theater curtains of we don't have the time or the money to build an actual bedroom for Spock! In the tribble episode, the space station has COLOR GRADIENTS on the walls!

Although I will say this: the backdrops are actually better than the ones they used in SGA.

Are you JOKING? ONLY a thousand?? It did much much more!

I am totally not up on the fandom! I was just thinking, wow, and this scene right here would be the one for all the fangirls in the phase between writing stories about themselves marrying Spock and writing stories about Kirk or Uhura getting with Spock. Even through the forty-plus years separating us, I could hear them sit up and take notice. SHE EVEN CRIED A SINGLE PERFECT TEAR.

Did I not explicitly comment to your last post saying that McCoy is a dick?

You did! And I see now that I should have believed you and been prepared, but I thought you meant just in that episode, as an aberration that has been much discussed in McCoy: Why Suck a Dick in That One Episode? meta, not that he would be waving his dickishness freely through completely OTHER episodes. And I didn't expect him to be that kind of dick. It was a surprise to me! When it comes to TV, I am a delicate flower.

[identity profile] v-greyson.livejournal.com 2009-12-27 07:32 am (UTC)(link)
awesomely, i watched Amok Time for the first time yesterday, so this is super-timely for me. your recap has added like plus a thousand to my viewing experience.

I tell you what: I am no longer at all surprised that this show gave birth to slash as a genre.

i cannot believe how fast and hard the slash anvils fall on TOS. it is amazing. and i love it. *g*

[identity profile] thefourthvine.livejournal.com 2009-12-27 09:36 pm (UTC)(link)
Yay! I am so glad there are other people wandering down the Trek Road for the first time along with me.

i cannot believe how fast and hard the slash anvils fall on TOS. it is amazing. and i love it. *g*

I know! There are moments - like the totally married Spock-interprets-for-Kirk one in the tribble ep - that in a modern fandom would be the foundation of the slash, and in this, they're just throw-away moments, because you don't NEED the subtle stuff. You know the anvils are coming.

[identity profile] devohoneybee.livejournal.com 2009-12-27 08:00 am (UTC)(link)
I'm told Sturgeon had a strangling kink. Which makes the whole fight to the death thing even MORE explicitly sexual...

I'll also chime in to recommend watching all the eps. Not because they are all great, but they are a character arc. It's the old argument of people wanting to watch only the Methos eps of Highlander -- those eps are the most powerful when seen in the context of the entire previous set of characters arcs.

[identity profile] thefourthvine.livejournal.com 2009-12-27 09:38 pm (UTC)(link)
Just going by his short stories and so on, I can ENTIRELY believe it. Which means he'd have loved the Spock-on-Kirk scene in the reboot.

I'll also chime in to recommend watching all the eps.

I really, really can't. I just can't watch that much TV. Even at my best TV-watching rate, which was before I had a kid - well, there are about 80 hours of TOS eps. So it would have taken me about a year to watch them all. Now, it might be more like two years. So, yeah, I'm going to cherry pick. It's what TV on DVD is for!
azurelunatic: Vivid pink Alaskan wild rose. (Default)

[personal profile] azurelunatic 2009-12-27 12:33 pm (UTC)(link)
Homemade plomeek soup! You can't get that just anywhere on a starship!

[identity profile] thefourthvine.livejournal.com 2009-12-27 09:41 pm (UTC)(link)
Hell, you can't get that just anywhere on earth!
ext_2160: SGA John & Rodney (Kirk-made of Win)

[identity profile] winter-elf.livejournal.com 2009-12-28 06:18 am (UTC)(link)
*dies laughing* points to screen, shows friend, *laughs some more* Oh god, to see this through your eyes... it gives it all such new meaning. I think I need to re-watch too :)

On the bridge, there is ominous music, and Kirk has his hands on his hips. Someone's getting a spanking, apparently. LOL! LOL! LOL!

Next, they fight with jump ropes, and it turns out they are going to fuck right there on the screen. I lied before: I am not even mildly surprised. yep, no surprise there!

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[personal profile] kernezelda 2009-12-28 04:33 pm (UTC)(link)
I adore this review! Star Trek was my first fandom, and I still love it, sixties sets and all.

[identity profile] tygati.livejournal.com 2009-12-28 07:55 pm (UTC)(link)
The absolute best thing about this, aside from this in the first place, is digging out my TOS DVDs and putting on Amok Time so I could watch it with your review in the background.

Pure. Unrestrained. Awesome. My stomach hurts from laughing so hard.

[identity profile] lknomad.livejournal.com 2009-12-28 09:46 pm (UTC)(link)
How is it that I know all these old episodes and you don't. I watched them growing up. You were in the same house. Did you not not see any of them???

[identity profile] jenlev.livejournal.com 2009-12-29 11:24 pm (UTC)(link)
Apparently the people who made the show decided not to focus on being subtle and just go for it. I always liked that about them. ;)

And I should have/meant to say: What a great review. I may need to rewatch these episodes now too. Or just mainline The Next Generation which I finally bought, then had to make an episode guide for as Paramount was too cheap to include one in the package.
Edited 2009-12-29 23:25 (UTC)

[identity profile] gilda-elise.livejournal.com 2010-01-05 07:28 pm (UTC)(link)
Lol, I loved this. I suppose growing up watching it, I'm sort of immune to the bad special effects (bouncing rocks and all.) I actually found the bridge on the reboot pretty weird looking. As one critic put it, "like the inside of an Apple store."

And "Trouble with Tribbles" next? What better episode than the one where they're never far from each other's side. :-)

[identity profile] catalenamara.livejournal.com 2010-01-07 06:25 pm (UTC)(link)
I *love* this review - I was laughing all the way through. :-)

To add to what someone else posted, the grey sets were intended to suggest Navy vessels.

I recently attended a event which featured panel discussion with several of the Trek designers from TOS to the Reboot. The TOS designer talked about how their budget was so small they couldn't even afford paint; hence the use of colored lights to change the look of a wall.

T'Pring: Here's an *excellent* story which shows the events of "Amok Time" from T'Pring's POV - Rabble Rouser's "Sympathy for the Devil":

http://www.fanfiction.net/s/452636/1/Sympathy_for_the_Devil

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