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Keep Hoping Machine Running ([personal profile] thefourthvine) wrote2010-03-13 05:52 pm

Books: Gender Blender and The Hundred Thousand Kingdoms

Book I Have Issues With: Gender Blender, by Blake Nelson

Let's just present this as a conversation between me and the book.

Gender Blender: I am YA bodyswap!
Me: Sold.
Gender Blender: So. Let's start off with a spurious Native American legend! Ha ha, those wacky Indians and their crazy gender-swapping gods!
Me: Um.
Gender Blender: And then I think we should explore gender by reinforcing stereotypes! Emma is a sweet little gymnast A-student perfectionist, always eager to please, but also part of an evil bitch cabal! Also, she likes to talk about feelings. Tom is a slacker slobbo thrill-seeking baseball player dude! He likes to spit and punch things.
Me: Oh. Um. Look, since we're talking and all, can I ask you a question?
Gender Blender: Sure!
Me: If you're going to have a scene where Tom-in-Emma's-body looks in a mirror to have his First Real Experience of Boobs, and he's all excited about that, then why does Emma's only exploration of Tom's body consist of thinking Tom's dick is a chipmunk when she wakes up with an erection?
Gender Blender: Because, see, boys like boobs.
Me: But girls don't like cocks?
Gender Blender: Well, not good girls. Also, we prefer to use the term "boy part."
Me: This is my review, and I will call it a tiddlewinkle before I call it a boy part.
Gender Blender: Fine. Clearly you aren't a good girl.
Me: Nope. Also, why is there a whole chapter of Tom checking out the girls in the locker room (where most of them turn out to be ugly and fat!) and the shower, and getting to see the boobs of his crush and so on, but Emma never gets a chance to check out guys in the shower or the bathroom or anywhere?
Gender Blender: It might make boys uncomfortable. Plus, you know, she's a good girl, so obviously she wouldn't want to.
Me: I see.
Gender Blender: But I have many other things to offer! Did I mention that there is embarrassment squick aplenty?
Me: Oh, joy. Remind me why I finished you?
Gender Blender: My chapters are short. And you were desperate.
Me: Right.
Gender Blender: I did avoid the smoochy ending you were fearing. Don't I get credit for that?
Me: Sure, yes, absolutely. In the "other than that, Mrs. Lincoln" sense, anyway.
Gender Blender: You know, if you're going to be like this about it, I think maybe you should stick to bodyswap and genderswap in fan fiction.
Me: I will, thanks.

But you'll all be relieved to know that Tom and Emma got good grades on their gender report and learned not to argue so much. There. Now you don't have to read this. (If anyone feels like writing me bodyswap, especially Spock/Kirk or Sam-Teal'c, as a "thank you for saving me from this terrible book" gift, I will not say no. For the record.)

Book I Love: The Hundred Thousand Kingdoms, by N. K. Jemisin

You know, when I used to play AD&D (when I used to have time to play AD&D), I was always welcome in any group I cared to join. Because I was willing to play the cleric. No arguments! No roll-percentiles-loser-has-to-be-the-cleric! No letting one person have two player characters if he'd make one of them the healer! I actually wanted to be on the god squad, giving hit points and taking them away (usually not to the same person). I liked using a mace. I preferred clerical spells to magic-user spells. But most of all, I loved gods. (I could, no lie, spend a whole hour just selecting my character's god. This is an important choice, people!)

So, you know, you give me a really well-thought-out pantheon, I am pretty much your girl. I will cling to you through two thousand pages of dense prose and let you kill off nearly all the awesome characters. I will even forgive you shoddy worldbuilding and cookie-cutter fantasy and women whose entire purpose is to have sex and make babies and then die so the hero can experience manpain. (To a point. Don't test me on this one.)

Which makes me all the more grateful that in this book, I didn't have to forgive anything. There's, yes, a massively awesome pantheon. (Some of the gods are slaves, and some are dead, and one is crazy, which is just so incredibly wonderful I can't even tell you. Um, not for the gods, though. Just the reader.) But it doesn't stop there, because this book is incredible: well-written, set in a world the author clearly actually put thought into, and not a Tolkien knock-off in sight. (I think this book might actually have killed Tolkien, in all honesty, if it somehow managed to travel through time to land in his extremely cultured hands. For one thing, the squat dark-skinned girl isn't actually evil, and the tall skinny white people sort of go beyond evil. We all know how hard he would have taken that.) Plus, it provides a functional education in all the things that can go terribly, terribly wrong with ruling by divine right. (Particularly if the divine right is, shall we say, explicit.) You have to admit that's a handy bonus.

I am supposed to pace myself with new books - otherwise I end up reading things like Gender Blender, which never ends well for anyone - but I couldn't with this one. I didn't so much read it as fall on it like a starving wolf. In the end, my only complaints with this book were 1) it ended and 2) there was not nearly enough of it.

If all fantasy was like this, you would not be able to pry me out of the genre with the jaws of life.
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[personal profile] lonespark 2011-05-18 08:31 pm (UTC)(link)
Yay! More people talking up The Hundred Thousand Kingdoms!

I think I found this review because I was trying to find THTK fanfic and/or fantasy movie casting.
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[identity profile] sdwolfpup.livejournal.com 2010-03-14 02:45 am (UTC)(link)
I preferred clerical spells to magic-user spells. But most of all, I loved gods. (I could, no lie, spend a whole hour just selecting my character's god.

Are you me? I LOVE playing the cleric, for all of the reasons you listed, but the god-choosing was the most important (and fun) part.

[identity profile] thefourthvine.livejournal.com 2010-03-14 02:59 am (UTC)(link)
I am not nearly awesome enough to be you! But clearly we are AD&D sisters. Because god selection is AWESOME FUN, and clerics are clearly the best possible class. *dreamy sigh*

[identity profile] lilacsigil.livejournal.com 2010-03-14 02:45 am (UTC)(link)
Second book is on order already!

Also, another way to get a cleric is to have a little brother, several years younger than you, who would really, really like to hang with the big kids and play D&D. Just saying. If you're planning the Earthling's D&D future, or anything.

[identity profile] thefourthvine.livejournal.com 2010-03-14 03:02 am (UTC)(link)
Second book is on order already!

YAY.

Also, another way to get a cleric is to have a little brother, several years younger than you, who would really, really like to hang with the big kids and play D&D. Just saying. If you're planning the Earthling's D&D future, or anything.

I will, of course, attempt to raise the earthling with an appreciation for the wonders of clerics, but if he falls for the paladin or the magic-user or the thief or whatever, I guess I can see if I can recruit a little brother for him. *thoughtful*

[identity profile] adina-atl.livejournal.com 2010-03-14 02:53 am (UTC)(link)
I discovered that Jemisin's book is available on the Kindle, so I've asked for the sample chapters. Thanks for the recommendation (and the discommendation for the gender-bender).

[identity profile] thefourthvine.livejournal.com 2010-03-14 03:06 am (UTC)(link)
Yup! (Many of the books I review will be on Kindle, since that's how I do most of my reading these days.) The sad part is, Gender Blender is also on Kindle, and I suspected it would be bad from the sample, and I bought it anyway. Apparently I am just that much of a sucker for bodyswap. It's sad, really.
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[identity profile] kungfunurse.livejournal.com 2010-03-14 02:53 am (UTC)(link)
While I thank you to high heaven for saving me from Gender Blender (because I, too, would have bought it, then cried little girlie tears, i suppose) I don't have time to write fic at the mo! *cries*

BUT! I have something else to offer. Something so good, so wonderful, that it will make you delirious with joy. Have you ever heard of Boston Legal (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hAeC-Nvo3h8)?
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[identity profile] kungfunurse.livejournal.com 2010-03-14 02:55 am (UTC)(link)
Also, I *adored* playing the cleric and still have several, very treasured, characters I'd worked up to 25th level from back in the day. And you're right, choosing the correct god is VERY important. It's always good to be on the right side of the divine powers that're gonna keep bringing you and your friends back to life, after all. *G*

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[identity profile] themadpoker.livejournal.com 2010-03-14 03:05 am (UTC)(link)
I have read both of these books! Gender Blender is pretty much as terible as you say (yet I read it because it was infinitely preferable to actually writing the paper I was in the library to do) and The Hundred Thousand Kingdom is absolutely not! I actually picked it up yesterday and consequently used up most of the today reading it (...which is not too far off what happened with Gender Blender. :/ I am sensing a pattern in my reading habits maybe)

Anyways! The gods in The Hundred Thousand Kingdoms were EXCELLENT. I kept changing my mind about my favourite. I'm pretty sure it's Sieh but cannot claim one hundred percent certainty as Nahadoth offers his own hugely compelling argument. And on the non-god side of things I adored Yeine like an adoring thing. Favourite main character I've read this year. ^o^

[identity profile] thefourthvine.livejournal.com 2010-03-14 03:47 am (UTC)(link)
I'm impressed that you've read both, since they aren't exactly a pair that would crop up in Amazon's Better Together or anything. And, also, I am filled with commiserations on the Gender Blender thing. (I would argue that writing a paper is SO MUCH BETTER than reading that, but I guess it would depend on what the paper was on.)

But The Hundred Thousand Kingdoms makes it all better, doesn't it? My mistake was finishing it BEFORE Gender Blender.

[identity profile] prettyshiny.livejournal.com 2010-03-14 03:13 am (UTC)(link)
Okay, you sold me on Hundred Thousand Kingdoms. I went and bought it for my Barnes & Noble nook just now, since I trust your judgment so well. Thanks for the rec.

Also, thanks for the warning on Gender Blender. *wince*

[identity profile] thefourthvine.livejournal.com 2010-03-14 03:49 am (UTC)(link)
Yay! I think you will enjoy The Hundred Thousand Kingdoms. (And I don't think anyone who has read a fannish version of bodyswap could possibly enjoy Gender Blender.) I feel I've done a good evening's work here.
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[identity profile] jenna-thorn.livejournal.com 2010-03-14 03:21 am (UTC)(link)
Not only do I play a cleric as a rule, I set up an entire pantheon of my own - names, spheres of influence, family ties, in order to have a single set of gods for a campaign I was running.

Re: Godwalking is fun.

[identity profile] thefourthvine.livejournal.com 2010-03-14 03:51 am (UTC)(link)
True fact: Best Beloved and I, in our pre-child days, used to have a game we played at restaurants and before movies and so on. One of us would name three things (blood, flowers, cocoa) and the other would have to build a pantheon around it, and then a world around the pantheon. It was fun.

...We were nerds, yes. But it was FUN.

Re: Godwalking is fun.

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Oh man, so I was about to be like, "I'm pretty sure I read that Gender Blender book when I was like 12! It was indeed pretty terrible!" But then I thought, maybe I should check the publication date on this to be sure it's the same book and... it really is not. WHICH MEANS THERE IS A BOOK JUST LIKE THAT WRITTEN IN THE '80S OR EARLY '90S. That is extremely distressing to me.

[identity profile] thefourthvine.livejournal.com 2010-03-14 03:52 am (UTC)(link)
I am pretty sure there's a paper in this, Anna! "Unchanging change: A longitudinal study of bodyswap in young adult fiction." Except think what you'd have to READ.

[identity profile] tripoli8.livejournal.com 2010-03-14 03:37 am (UTC)(link)
When me and my younger sister were little, we used to take her Barbies and sort them into pantheons and act out their ridiculously baroque court intrigue. Kira was my favorite, so I think I made her the goddess in charge of the Barbie mansion that was some kind of gateway between feuding parallel Barbie universes. It's frankly a miracle we grew up even as functional as we did.

Wow, I hadn't even thought about that in years. I vaguely remember something about Stacy, Goddess of Music and Skipper, God of Waiting In the Car.

[identity profile] tripoli8.livejournal.com 2010-03-14 03:39 am (UTC)(link)
Oh, and when I graduate from grad school in May and get to be a real person again, I'm so getting my hands on the Jemisin. I may buy it now just so I can admire it on my shelf.

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[identity profile] laughingacademy.livejournal.com 2010-03-14 03:40 am (UTC)(link)
...a chipmunk? What, sitting on zir crotch?

[identity profile] thefourthvine.livejournal.com 2010-03-14 04:57 am (UTC)(link)
YES. She thinks it might have built a NEST. On her CROTCH. Because obviously if you wake up with something poking up from your general crotch region, you assume it's a chipmunk. I mean, I'm not even in a guy's body, and that would not be my first assumption. Or my fifth. Or my THOUSANDTH.

(And, okay, maybe I'm just misunderstanding the way tiddlewinkles work in puberty, but she'd been in Tom's body for like three days at that point. Am I really supposed to believe that that was the first time she experienced an erection?)

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[identity profile] e-clare.livejournal.com 2010-03-14 04:06 am (UTC)(link)
Gender-bending YA, you say? I give you Cycler (http://boingboing.net/2008/08/26/cycler-smart-ya-nove.html) by Lauren McLaughlin, in which our heroine changes into a boy for a week every month. Haven't read it yet personally, but seen it talked up frequently at the above link and elsewhere -- it's on the list! There's also a sequel: Recycler (naturally).

Thanks for saving your readers from Gender Blender. It sounds...*unique*.

[identity profile] thefourthvine.livejournal.com 2010-03-14 05:01 am (UTC)(link)
Thank you. That sounds awesome, and I am SO READY for that book. (For true and serious: I was so irked by Gender Blender that when I took a shower this evening, I plotted out a YA bodyswap story. It would be better, because, well, how could it be worse?)

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[personal profile] stasia 2010-03-14 04:40 am (UTC)(link)
I haven't bothered to read the comments (yet), but I have to tell you about this series. They're by Lois McMaster Bujold. The first one is called The Curse of Chalion. There's a sample chapter (the first one) here. There are, so far, three books in the series, and I wish so damned hard she'd drop the series she's working on now and get back to these.

I like both the pantheon, and I can spend a long time working and thinking about different panthea as well, and I love the main character of this book. The male main character of the third one is also an interesting guy.

Stasia

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[identity profile] thefourthvine.livejournal.com 2010-03-14 05:04 am (UTC)(link)
I have read them! And I LOVE The Curse of Chalion. (My relationship to Paladin of Souls is, um, much more complex. Much more.) It was totally the pantheon that sold me, too - well, that, and I just loved the characters. But, oh. The pantheon. <3 <3 <3!

And, hey, if you are a fellow pantheon junkie, may I suggest Dave Duncan's Great Game Trilogy? It may feature in a Books I Love post someday, but why wait? (Past Imperative, Present Tense, Future Indefinite. I really do love these books, entirely because of what they do with gods and world-building. Um. Although if you are a very Christian person, you may need a further warning.)

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[identity profile] ladyblahblah.livejournal.com 2010-03-14 04:54 am (UTC)(link)
I've never played a cleric, but I did briefly play in a Greek Mythology campaign where we were all VERY CAREFUL to make regular tributes to our patron gods, lest we be smote like the heathens we were. (There was also the fascinating addition of "hubris points", which I advocate with a fiery passion.)

I'm going to have to track down The Hundred Thousand Kingdoms now. I may even have to pay full price for it, curse you, if we don't have it at work! I'd also recommend you check out--if you haven't already--The Lies of Locke Lamora. The gods aren't the main focus, and are in fact only ever mentioned sort of in passing and as cultural references, but the I offer unquestioning support to any pantheon that includes gods like Iono the Stormbringer, The Lord of Grasping Waters and Nara the Plague Mistress, The Lady of Ubiquitous Maladies. The world is also fantastically built, and it has just enough recognizable fantasy tropes to be entertaining.

As far as bodyswap goes, um . . . I'm usually too shy to do this, and it's going to take everything I have to hit 'post comment' after this, but . . . I've actually written a K/S bodyswap fic, and it's the only one I can think of off the top of my head. Um. *cough* (http://ladyblahblah.livejournal.com/1275.html)

*hides*

[identity profile] thefourthvine.livejournal.com 2010-03-14 06:51 am (UTC)(link)
There was also the fascinating addition of "hubris points", which I advocate with a fiery passion.

FABULOUS. I want to be in that campaign right now!

I'd also recommend you check out--if you haven't already--The Lies of Locke Lamora.

Oh god how I love that book. It is AWESOME. I am all sadfaced and mopey because The Republic of Thieves isn't out yet. Waaaaant.

I've actually written a K/S bodyswap fic, and it's the only one I can think of off the top of my head.

OMG LONG BODYSWAP PON FARR STORY YAY. Thank you for linking me! Now I must face the Eternal Question: do I Kindle it ahead of schedule or make myself wait? (I read all fan fiction over 1000 words on my Kindle, because, well, I spend a lot of time nursing, and it's nice to have something to read.)

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[identity profile] dramaturgca.livejournal.com 2010-03-14 04:57 am (UTC)(link)
Is it a sign that there's too much sexuality in my life that, when reading a paper that referenced "elaborate balls", my first thought involved genital tattooing?

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I would say that it is a sign that there is just enough sexuality in your life!

[identity profile] delurker.livejournal.com 2010-03-14 05:11 am (UTC)(link)
So... not so much Gender Bender as Gender Stereotype Reinforcements? Le sigh.

why does Emma's only exploration of Tom's body consist of thinking Tom's dick is a chipmunk when she wakes up with an erection?
Ahahahaha what? Seriously?
And surely you could at least go with the family cat, as a smallish animal which could plausibly be in the house? (Agh, but no! It still makes no sense!)
Girl, where is your sense of adventure and curiosity?

[identity profile] thefourthvine.livejournal.com 2010-03-14 07:33 pm (UTC)(link)
Yeah. Or you could call it Gender Stupidity. Or This Is Not How You Do Bodyswap, Moron. That would also be a good title!

Ahahahaha what? Seriously?

SHE THINKS IT HAS MADE A NEST. If you woke up and there was something poking up from your crotch region, would your first thought be "A chipmunk has made a nest near my genitals"? I can't imagine thinking that. But then, I would also think to LIFT THE SHEET AND HAVE A LOOK.

Girl, where is your sense of adventure and curiosity?

She's a GIRL. She doesn't have a sense of adventure or curiosity! BOYS have those. What kind of girl are you that you did not know that? *eyes you*

[identity profile] blushingflower.livejournal.com 2010-03-14 05:42 am (UTC)(link)
In fairness, I see lots of naked men in my life and I pretty much never check them out, certainly not below the waist. And I love cock, I just don't like to look at it. And I'm almost certainly not a "good girl" by most people's standards.

But if I had one all of a sudden, I'd probably go through at least one bottle of lube "exploring" it. It might, in fact, necessitate a "sick day" from school.

[identity profile] thefourthvine.livejournal.com 2010-03-14 07:36 pm (UTC)(link)
I'm just saying. Emma should get something. Exploration! Observation! Experimentation! I am not picky!! Of course, I mean, something besides her terrifying encounter with a RAMPANT ERECTION, marauding through her sheets disguised as a rodent.

(What do you do that you see lots of naked men in your life? I am curious!)
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[identity profile] keerawa.livejournal.com 2010-03-14 05:48 am (UTC)(link)
I loved the RP aspects of playing acleric. I've just placed a hold on the book at teh library!

[identity profile] thefourthvine.livejournal.com 2010-03-14 07:42 pm (UTC)(link)
Excellent! And, man, fandom is apparently where all my fellow cleric-lovers are hanging out. Yet more proof that we are the people with taste!

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[identity profile] featherlane.livejournal.com 2010-03-14 06:07 am (UTC)(link)
On it! I am so enthused about your book recs. I got Smekday on my brother's library card and adored it and read it twice, only now it is lost somewhere in my library and I have to pay him for it. I recommended it to my middle school librarian/BFF, and she had already bought two copies. I like that in a person.

She also agrees with me that most adult literary fiction is garbage -- what do you think? I feel like a philistine for thinking that, but I also feel so cheated. I loved fiction so much as a child -- even the bad stuff was at least pretty straightforward -- and 99% of adult fiction is just boring, mistaking verisimilitude for truth, or something. I also keep encountering this neurotic, bleak perspective, that everything sucks and will always suck, and there's nothing you can do about it, which really freaked me about aging as a teen. And, now I've hit my early twenties and discovered that that's NOT AT ALL TRUE, and being a grown-up is awesome, I'm kind of pissed. Anyway: literary fiction -- yay or nay? I'm currently just sticking to fanfic and nonfiction, with the occasional foray into genre stuff.

(And, I'm sure you were on this a long time ago, but just in case: JONATHAN STRANGE. Probably my favorite book of all time.)

[identity profile] thefourthvine.livejournal.com 2010-03-14 07:50 pm (UTC)(link)
Oh, yay. I'm so glad you liked Smekday. (I think everyone should like Smekday. When I rule the world, it will be a LAW.)

I like that in a person.

*approves of this person greatly*

She also agrees with me that most adult literary fiction is garbage -- what do you think?

I'm just very aware that I am not the audience for 99.5% of modern literary fiction. (Not really a surprise - a lot of the classics I truly love would probably be considered genre fiction now, too.) I had a sort of similar experience to yours; I grew up reading basically everything written for children, and then at least half of the things written for YAs (I avoided things with "babysitter" in the title), and then, when I was around 14, I figured I was ready for adult novels. (Also, I was desperately looking for a new source of books.) I tried fantasy, mystery, and literary fiction. It took me maybe fifty books of that latter to realize it just wasn't for me. I mean, I know lots of people love it! Just. I was born to be a genre and non-fiction and fan fiction reader.

For one thing, I like happy endings. That right there rules out a LOT of literary fiction. Also, I like things to happen, and while I do truly appreciate great writing, it has to be in service of the characters and the plot, not itself. Which, again, is something I'm more likely to find in genre fiction.

But there is that other .5% of literary fiction I really do like, so - maybe it's just that the field, for me, suffers from a more stringent version of Sturgeon's Law? Instead of 90% of everything being crap, it's 99.5%.

[identity profile] merelyn.livejournal.com 2010-03-14 06:19 am (UTC)(link)
Oh Gender Blender. As someone equally weak to bodyswapping YA stories (I thought I was the only one!), I was also super excited by the idea of that book and then totally let down. It just read like a bad middle school sex ed class masquerading as fiction. Sigh.

[identity profile] thefourthvine.livejournal.com 2010-03-14 07:53 pm (UTC)(link)
*holds you tight*

We should form a small but very sincere support group for people who have read that damned thing.

I tell you what: I was so irked by Gender Blender that I cannot stop plotting out YA bodyswap in my head. YA bodyswap that would be FAR SUPERIOR to Gender Blender, because, let's face it: that bar is not set too high.

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[personal profile] minkhollow 2010-03-14 06:28 am (UTC)(link)
Playing a cleric is the shit. I had so much fun with the one I played.

...and that first book sounds like it's all kinds of dubious. I can't offer bodyswap fic, but I... did do a genderswap Dr. Horrible fic last year? If that counts toward washing the taste out of your mouth.

[identity profile] thefourthvine.livejournal.com 2010-03-14 07:58 pm (UTC)(link)
Oooo. Genderswap always calls my name, but - do I need to know Dr. Horrible? Because I don't. At all.

And YAY CLERICS. *fist of cleric solidarity*

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[identity profile] illariy.livejournal.com 2010-03-14 05:53 pm (UTC)(link)
Gender Blender might be a faily and unfunny book but your review was hilarious. Sad to say I can't think of any fun K/S bodyswap stories... Thanks for the rec of the second book, it's gone on my to-read list. The dark=baaad, white=unfailingly good is one of the stereotypes that irritate me the most about fantasy.

[identity profile] thefourthvine.livejournal.com 2010-03-15 12:16 am (UTC)(link)
[livejournal.com profile] ladyblahblah has written a K/S bodyswap (http://ladyblahblah.livejournal.com/1275.html)! (I have not read it yet; I just learned about it, and now it is waiting for my Kindle. I am all excited!)

The dark=baaad, white=unfailingly good is one of the stereotypes that irritate me the most about fantasy.

I just - I can't believe people said to themselves, "Hey! We need a shortcut to indicate who is GOOD and who is BAD, because readers will never be able to figure that out from the characters' actions. I know! Let's make dark skin bad and light skin good!"

"But what about, like, Asians and so on?"

"I've got it! They can be MYSTERIOUS."

"Brilliant!"

Gods!

[identity profile] sunspot67.livejournal.com 2010-03-15 01:33 am (UTC)(link)
I, too, always played the cleric, and was very serious about my clerics having actual religions and religious practices they had to keep up with. Big fun!

If you haven't read them yet, I'd recommend Lois McMaster Bujold's Chalion books. The first is The Curse of Chalion, followed by Paladin of Souls and The Hallowed Hunt. The world building and pantheon are first rate, with a really interesting concept of saints and, gasp, different interpretations of the same pantheon in different regions. And well rounded characters of both sexes, including a pregnant woman who is busy doing her important job, and, in Paladin of Souls, a 40 year old woman protagonist.

[identity profile] paxluvfelicitas.livejournal.com 2010-03-16 09:04 am (UTC)(link)
So I read the first three chapters of The 100KK and am irrevocably SOLD. Time to go to the bookstore!

[identity profile] montglanechess.livejournal.com 2010-03-16 04:38 pm (UTC)(link)
Not a book rec, but there's this fairly awesome (if, uh, cheesy) German movie called 'Help! I'm a Boy' that is actual-fact gender swap! And I thought it was fairly well done. Or at least it doesn't seem as bad at the book you described. So.

The movie does have a dubbed option, at least the one I streamed on Netflix did-- so fear not, unless you prefer subtitles.

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