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Keep Hoping Machine Running ([personal profile] thefourthvine) wrote2011-01-16 08:27 pm

212: To Love and Be Wise

Wow. It's been a long time since I did this. I'm recommending fan fiction! Weird. I'm hoping it will come back to me as I go along. (It had better. The backlog has become even more alarmingly like a fantasy series written by G. R. R. Martin than usual. Although with far fewer deaths, fortunately.)

So I think it would be highly appropriate to start off with as much love as we can manage, don't you? Or stories about as much love as the characters can manage, anyway.

The One in Which We Learn That a Really Good Secretary Can Change the Flow of Traffic for You. Suddenly, I Want a Really Good Secretary So Much. The World That You Need Series, by [personal profile] dira. Vorkosigan Saga, Aral Vorkosigan/Cordelia Vorkosigan, Aral Vorkosigan/Arkady Jole. (If you haven't read the Vorkosigan books, I think you can still read this, but having read the books will help.)

I don't even know why I read this. (Okay, I do - it's Dira. But go with me for the sake of a - it's not a narrative device, exactly. Recommending device?) It is so wrong for me. Wrong fandom, wrong pairing, wrong everything.

The Vorkosigan books were significant for me: they were the right books at the right time. There could not have been a righter time for me to read Warrior's Apprentice, and it slotted into my life and mind so perfectly that I have been afraid to re-read it for years and years. (I've learned the hard way that some books don't stay perfect, or even lovable, forever, and there are certain books I'd prefer to love in memory than risk losing.) I mean, Lois McMaster Bujold has certainly had her misses as well as her hits with me, and she's no longer writing precisely what I want to read, but I still bought her latest book in hardcover, mostly out of gratitude for having written the right book at the right time. Warrior's Apprentice was that right for me.

So, obviously, this story had a huge negative against it before I even started it. It wasn't altering a beloved canon; it was working against my fuzzy, nostalgic memory of a canon and the unreasonable and unassailable love I hope I'll always have for this world.

And then there's the pairing, which - well, I do not like big age differences and I squirm away from power imbalances. Older Prime Minister/his young and hero-worshipping secretary is a pairing designed to hit this squick of mine. (And yet it somehow does not, which I had not even believed possible. Dira is amazing.) Also, of course, the older Prime Minister is Aral Vorkosigan, who is married. To Cordelia, a definite fictional beloved of mine. I do not like pairings that disrupt marriages. Seriously, I can't even count how many things this series had stacked against it before I read the first word.

But none of that matters, because this story is perfect. Perfectly navigated, perfectly done, perfectly right. It doesn't just slot into canon - it extends it in an absolutely appropriate way, giving us a look at what the adults were doing while the canon was off keeping an eye on Miles at the Academy. And it expands the canon world in a wholly necessary way; the background on homosexuality on Barrayar is fascinating, and absolutely right. (My spellchecker knows Barrayar, by the way. I find that odd.) Just, wow. This story: wow.

This is one of those stories that will become my internal canon, not just because I believe it, but because now that I've read it, canon alone would seem just a little bit hollow, with a missing piece exactly the shape of this story.

The One Which Paints a Much More Realistic Picture of the Burkes' Dining Room Than the One on the Show. (Why Are Houses on US TV Always So Tidy? Surely Somewhere There's a Show Where People Have Piles of Crap Everywhere.) And Anyone Who's Ever Had a Heart, by [personal profile] liviapenn. White Collar, Elizabeth Burke/Peter Burke/Neal Caffrey.

I love Elizabeth Burke. In fact, I watched (most of the first season of) White Collar because of her. I just couldn't get over how much all the stories I read in the fandom and all the people watching the show seemed to like her. I kept not finding the story where it turns out Elizabeth is a scheming evil bitch - and bitch is surely the term that would be used to describe her - who has sex with, like, all of Peter's enemies, and also secretly gets Neal sent back to prison because he's too interesting to her husband and too pretty or loyal or whatever, but then fortunately Peter finds out and pushes her under a subway train and fucks Neal right there in the station while they're watched by the glassy eyes of her severed head. (If that story exists I DON'T WANT TO KNOW ABOUT IT, please. Or any version of it. Let me stay in my happy everyone-loves-Elizabeth world, okay? Please?) Eventually, I had to find out more about this show, where half of the main slash pairing could be married to a woman and the fannish result was not a lot of She's Dead, Let's Fuck stories, but rather a lot of She's Awesome, Let's All Fuck stories.

I like She's Awesome, Let's All Fuck stories. And not just because I have an aversion to sex in close proximity to severed heads.

And I'm not the only one, obviously; White Collar fandom, at least the parts I hang out in, is rich with people saying, "But why can't we have the episode where we learn that Elizabeth is really a superhero? Because I think she might be a superhero!" I like that. (Don't get your hopes up, by the way - this is not the one where Elizabeth is a superhero. At least, not in the sense of wearing spandex.) I also like Elizabeth. (And I richly appreciate the rule of the show that appears to dictate that no matter what, there has to be a scene with Peter, Elizabeth, and Neal being cheerfully domestic and bickering. A+++ choice, showrunners! Soon you can show them buying a really big bed!) And in this story, she is awesome. And I am entirely sure fucking occurs immediately after the story ends.

For me, the heart of this story is definitely the Elizabeth/Neal interactions. I love how the first scene of this story completely balances the triangle. I love how it all works out. I love how effortlessly Elizabeth, on one of the worst days of her life, pwns Neal Caffrey.

And I really, really love the image of Elizabeth in sexy librarian glasses. (If there is fanart of that, oh god link me now.)

The One in Which We Learn that Sherlock Holmes's Cries for Help Are Just As Over the Top As the Rest of Him. A Terribly Poor Understanding of Love, by [livejournal.com profile] candle_beck. A Sherlock Holmes fandom of some kind, John Watson/Mary Watson, Sherlock Holmes/John Watson. (I think this is the movie, but in all honesty tracking Sherlock Holmes fandoms is now beyond my capacity; I can do everything else in my life, or I can figure out all the Holmes permutations. In this story, there's a Holmes and a Watson and they're both men, and there's carriages rather than cars or airships. And no one is a robot. That's the best I can do for you in terms of identifying the fandom.)

A little bit ago, I was talking with [personal profile] sinensis about an AU she is not writing BUT SHOULD, and she brought up the concept of slash fan blackmail. (Like, "Sometimes I think TV shows have too much gay subtext." If you had a screenshot of a slash fan saying that, maybe you could get her to write you the Holmes robot AU!) And now I am going to share with you one of my slash fan secrets, which you could totally use to blackmail me except I'm telling people of my own free will.

I never shipped Holmes and Watson in the original Conan Doyle stories. (I never shipped Jeeves and Wooster, either, despite my preteen years of obsessive fannish love for them. Judge at will.) I preferred to think of Holmes as not being really, you know, human, in the sense of having actual needs unrelated to cocaine and crime. But I still valued the Holmes and Watson relationship intensely, to the degree that I had to de-canonize Watson's marriage. He couldn't leave Holmes! It wasn't right! Holmes needed Watson! (I was, like, 14, and thus did not consider whether Watson needed Holmes, although I'd say the text makes a good case that he does.) Obviously, terrible things would happen if Watson got married and wasn't there for Holmes. (Apparently, if I'd been in Holmes fandom at 14, I would have been writing smarm. It would not have been pretty.)

This story makes it clear that terrible things do indeed happen when Watson leaves Holmes; it's everything I inchoately feared as a teenager, put into black and white. Fortunately, this story also solves the whole problem. Or, I should say, Mary Watson solves the problem, since both Holmes and Watson are too stupid and blind and generally incompetent to manage it. (Yes, I take great pleasure in this. It's always a delight when Mary is like, "Oh my GOD, how can the two of you solve crimes together? How can you even put your pants on in the morning without getting your heads stuck in one of the legs? You are the most pathetic people ever, but I will fix this because I am just that good, and also I care about you.")

So there's awesome Mary and all the agony that made teenaged-me hate Watson for getting married and Holmes and Watson making it work despite themselves, and I love all that more than I can tell you. But I also love the nature of the solution, which involves one partner saying, in essence, "You want him and I'm happy for you to have him. I'll even help make that happen! I have my own things to do. Have fun, darling! I won't wait up." It's so - grown up. Like they're all real people!

The One in Which We Learn That Pegasus Is Well Ahead of the Milky Way When It Comes to Advancements in Sexual Arts and Sciences. 3 Lovers, by [personal profile] cesperanza. Stargate: Atlantis, various pairings. Think of it sort of like pairing tapas, okay? You get a taste of everything.

In this story, Teyla Emmagen has a lot of sex.

Okay, wait, maybe that wasn't the best lead-in. See, this is a story about how the team all gets together and has a warrior bonding exp - no. Okay. It's a story about how graduate students are not even remotely healthy - no. It's a story about how the solution to the Ancient equivalent of ramen noodle addiction is sometimes worse than the problem!

Never mind. Can I just not summarize this one?

And this is exactly the problem I had when the story first came out, too. Normally I pounce on each new story [personal profile] cesperanza posts so quickly that sometimes I accidentally knock my head into my monitor. This story took me about a week to read, and it was entirely because I was like, "...But. I don't... hmmm. That seems..." It wasn't that there was anything unappetizing about the story, you understand. I just wasn't sure.

But obviously that was wholly unnecessary angst (actually, Unnecessary Angst would make a great title for a lot of fan fiction, just not this one; there are whole genres that could effectively be re-titled Unnecessary Angst), because this story is awesome, and I love it. If you tracked how often I re-read [personal profile] cesperanza's stories, although I would rather you did not, this one would end up in the SGA top three. (It isn't fair to make SGA compete with due South. There's Diefenbaker in due South. SGA's biggest failing, in my opinion, was the absence of a large dog.) It's got Ancient technology sex pollen, it's got an awesome Teyla narrative, and it's got every pairing a person could reasonably hope for. (Note for McKay/Sheppard shippers: this story will make you happy. Note for OT4 fans: this story will make you happy. Note for everyone else: this story will probably make you happy, too, unless you ship, like, Sheppard/Todd, in which case I don't know what to tell you. No one story can be all things to all people! But this one comes close.)

Really, the only thing this story is lacking is the coda where they get a puppy. And I suppose I can't really expect every story to fix the dog-shaped hole in Atlantis.
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[personal profile] queue 2011-01-17 04:44 am (UTC)(link)
*glomps you*

*glomps your recs*

*is all happy and stuff now*

(Are you a reader of Laurie R. King's take on Holmes? And if so, what do you think of her/it/them?)

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Wow. I know all of these fandoms.

Today I have truly Become a Woman.
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[personal profile] scy 2011-01-17 04:58 am (UTC)(link)
One reason I ADORE White Collar is that the main pairing? Is a threesome. Full stop. It just IS, and this fandom is not one where people whine about it (which never makes sense to me, embrace the threesome), instead we get awesome stories. Because, Elizabeth IS utterly wonderful, and both Neal and Peter are wonderful, and they all take such delight in each other.

For me, this fandom is a happy threesome place and I haven't read a fic that says anything different.

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[personal profile] vass 2011-01-17 05:38 am (UTC)(link)
I suppose I can't really expect every story to fix the dog-shaped hole in Atlantis.

When I was sixteen, my favourite Voyager fic (I'm afraid I don't have a link for it any more) was a gen story in which Tom Paris breaks into Janeway's quarters. He's caught, and refuses to explain why, so Janeway restricts him to quarters and takes him off away missions, etc, etc, etc, and there's a lot of angst until finally, she finds out that Paris was part of a conspiracy to steal her civvies and vacuum the dog hair off them, to clone her red setter so she could have a dog. And he endured all that punishment rather than spoil the surprise when Chakotay and the rest of the crew presented her with the puppy.
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[personal profile] jumpuphigh 2011-01-17 03:38 pm (UTC)(link)
I want to read that story.

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[personal profile] megaptera 2011-01-17 05:48 am (UTC)(link)
I preferred to think of Holmes as not being really, you know, human

I wonder if that's why I didn't ship Kirk/Spock when I was that age. I was really fixated on them being Very Good Friends with no sex. Eh.

Thank you for the recs, I read the whole Holmes one and I think I love the movieverse more now.

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[personal profile] bluemeridian 2011-01-17 06:02 am (UTC)(link)
I just couldn't get over how much all the stories I read in the fandom and all the people watching the show seemed to like her. That really has been one of the most awesome things ever since the show started. It makes me all warm and fuzzy inside. :) I was really kind of floored from the first episode at how the writers kept making her awesome.

I preferred to think of Holmes as not being really, you know, human, in the sense of having actual needs unrelated to cocaine and crime.

That's kind of where the community [livejournal.com profile] asexy_sherlock comes in - it's really focused on the recent BBC adaption (no Mary, in other words), but there's been some really interesting explorations of the nature of asexuality and Sherlock in particular.
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[personal profile] sorrel 2011-01-17 07:41 am (UTC)(link)
3 Lovers is one of my favorite SGA stories, too. I weirdly loved Teyla and Rodney's relationship, because they just seemed so married. They even made the jokes about their affairs with sexy young things! It was pretty great.

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[personal profile] springwoof 2011-01-17 09:30 am (UTC)(link)
I *enthusiastically* endorse all your recs! (Except for the Holmes one, but only because I haven't read the story & am not into the fandom.) Especially the part about Dira being awesome. And the part about Elizabeth being awesome. And about Teyla being awesome. And Cesperanza being awesome. (Why yes, I *am* gushing about both fictional and actual women in the same breath. What of it?)

And I *completely agree* that SGA would have been helped *immensely* if Elizabeth Weir had been allowed to bring her dog with her to Atlantis! (and McKay his cat, of course) The doggie & kittie wouldn't even need to have had the obligatory overly-cutesy "pet's day on Atlantis" episode. They could have stayed wagging and purring in the background & I would have been immensely content.

I also happen to agree with you that the only thing that story needs is the coda where they get a puppy. That family *needs* a puppy! On the other hand....she *did* write that coda where the SGA family in this story meets the "Eggroll" family in her Due South 'verse, so, theoretically, Dief could turn up and fix everything (as he does) by donating one of his pups to the cause, as it were....
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[personal profile] princessofgeeks 2011-01-17 01:23 pm (UTC)(link)
Yes to all this. Particularly Elizabeth.

And I am fairly sure that the candle beck story is about the Downey and Law movie, which I ADORE.

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[personal profile] foursweatervests 2011-01-17 04:55 pm (UTC)(link)
Dog-shaped hole filled!

Working dog at rest.

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[personal profile] dira 2011-01-17 06:35 pm (UTC)(link)
*swoons a bit*

Thank you for the rec! And, ahahaha, I guess you missed all of my flailing posts about OH SHIT WHAT AM I DOING TRYING TO WRITE SLASH PORN ABOUT MY PERSONAL SACRED FOUNDATIONAL TEXTS, since The Vor Game was the third SF book I ever read and the one that convinced me I liked SF When I was twelve. *g*

Anyway, I guess I should get on with stories 6 through mumbleteen in the outline, then.
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[personal profile] sinensis 2011-01-17 08:58 pm (UTC)(link)
I never shipped Holmes and Watson in the original Conan Doyle stories. (I never shipped Jeeves and Wooster, either, despite my preteen years of obsessive fannish love for them.)

Ditto. and ditto. (I also never shipped Wolfe and Archie.) Well, this plan is clearly backfiring on us, if we have the same blackmail-able secrets (and proclaim them on the internets ::koff::). We must lure unsuspecting others into our NETS OF DOOM, because I afraid that's the only way that SGA AU is going to get written.

I love Elizabeth Burke more than cake. And I love cake. Elizabeth with Peter is cake with delicious frosting, and Neal is whipped cream and chocolate shavings--a big plate of yummy. It makes me very happy that she was so widely embraced.

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[personal profile] brynwulf 2011-01-18 12:55 pm (UTC)(link)
Hi stranger-person I haven't seen in forever!! Thank you SO MUCH for drawing the White Collar fic to my attention. And yes, Elizabeth = Awesome x a billion.
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[personal profile] threerings 2011-01-19 06:35 am (UTC)(link)
First of all, I just have to say that I can't believe I've actually already read one of your recs (The White Collar one. Which is AMAZING.). I have the gift of totally missing all the good stuff usually.

I have been a rabid Holmes fan since I was 11 and I was never really ok with Holmes/Watson until a couple of years ago when I finally just say, "Ok, fuck it. Let's go." So yeah, I feel you on the slash fan who just doesn't think the relationship needs to be that gay.

In other words, YAY.
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Blackmail material

[personal profile] greyminerva 2011-01-20 01:24 am (UTC)(link)
Yeah, I've just come across something like this; I'm not really that big on fanvids, but occasionally I'll spend a half hour enjoying nicely arranged clips of my favourite eyecandy with some sappy music attached.
But today I actually went "You know, I think that's too explicit"! 0_0
Cause I've never actually seen an edit with manipulation showing the characters smooching, and then getting it on.
Yeah, sure, most of it was done in layers and sort of faded and "artsy", but still - this was pretty explicit.

Because while http://www.youtube.com/user/tw319882#p/u/18/5-M8aKMB5LY was brilliant, http://www.youtube.com/user/tw319882#p/u/10/EJWnhgYM5J4 was actually a bit much for me.
And I LIKE pr0n. 0_o
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[personal profile] eveningblue 2011-01-20 01:51 am (UTC)(link)
Why Are Houses on US TV Always So Tidy? Surely Somewhere There's a Show Where People Have Piles of Crap Everywhere

There is. It's called Sherlock.

Oh wait, you said U.S. tv. Nope, I got nothing.

Also, thanks for the recs! Loving all the Sherlock fic I'm reading these days.

[identity profile] dramaturgca.livejournal.com 2011-01-17 04:46 am (UTC)(link)
Thank you. I am in the midst of massive thesis related trauma at the moment (WHY DID I EVER START THIS STUPID THING?!) and I needed a giggle. And now I'm going to go read the White Collar fic. And maybe the Holmes one. (You've read [livejournal.com profile] copperbadge's White Collar fic, right? Right? Because it's AMAZING. Also, if you haven't read his Torchwood LOLcat fic... go. Go now.)

[identity profile] thefourthvine.livejournal.com 2011-01-17 04:55 am (UTC)(link)
WHY DID I EVER START THIS STUPID THING?!

Are you talking about the thesis or graduate school? If the former: because you hoped to someday be done with graduate school. If the latter: pretty much the same answer, actually.

I've read most of [livejournal.com profile] copperbadge's WC stories, yup! (And plan to rec some of them. Sometime. *shuffles backlog around, loses stuff*) And of course I've read the LOLcats TW story; how could I not? *hugs it tight*

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[identity profile] mific.livejournal.com 2011-01-17 04:59 am (UTC)(link)
Totally agree with the need for SGA to have a dog! John in particular, and Ronon. I've currently saved to read "The Principal Business of Life" by ladycat777 which apparently has a dog (or very-doglike-thing) in it. It's here (http://www.subtle-salvation.com/v5/viewstory.php?sid=255).

[identity profile] thefourthvine.livejournal.com 2011-01-18 02:42 am (UTC)(link)
Ooo! *adds it to to-be-Kindled queue*

Although, hmmm. I assume she'd warn if Bad Things happened to the dog or dog-like creature? The great part about dS was Dief was a main character. No one was going to kill him off and not warn for it. (Okay, one person did, in all the time I've been reading dS, and in all honesty I should have known better than to read her stuff without a pre-reader anyway.)

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[personal profile] stasia 2011-01-17 08:11 am (UTC)(link)
I'm delighted by the idea of changing the title of many different fandom and genres to "Unnecessary Angst".

Wow. The mind just boggles. It's such a cross-fandom genre!

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[identity profile] thefourthvine.livejournal.com 2011-01-18 02:45 am (UTC)(link)
It truly is! And the thing is, it's an entirely useful label. Some people want to read Unnecessary Angst. Some people don't. Some people (me!) want to read Unnecessary Angst stories only at very certain times of the month. This would help us all out!

Plus, yeah. It really is a major genre in fan fiction.
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[identity profile] keerawa.livejournal.com 2011-01-17 09:13 am (UTC)(link)
Oh wow, that's an odd coincidence. I have just spent my day, for no particular reason, re-reading most of Speranza's SGA fics, and read '3 Lovers' for the first time an hour ago.

[identity profile] thefourthvine.livejournal.com 2011-01-18 02:46 am (UTC)(link)
Now is the time for all good fangirls to read 3 Lovers!

[identity profile] melpemone.livejournal.com 2011-01-17 09:34 am (UTC)(link)
I think 14 year old you and 10 year old me could have flailed in confused incoherency at each other over Holmes & Watson quite companionably. All I knew at that age was that it was deeply wrong for Watson to have anyone else to consider. So, tiny me thanks you for the rec. :)

[identity profile] thefourthvine.livejournal.com 2011-01-18 04:05 am (UTC)(link)
SO WRONG. OH WATSON NO.

(I bet we could have flailed together very effectively! But, man, I am sort of glad we didn't, just because - having 14-year-old TFV's thoughts immortalized on the internet would be - bad. Yes, bad. *shudders*)

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[identity profile] thornyrose42.livejournal.com 2011-01-17 09:49 am (UTC)(link)
There is a British show called "Outnumbered" about a family with three fairly young kids and they have a house that actually looks like it was lived in by a family with three fairly young kids i.e. like a hurricane has just gone through it.

Also its really good. The kids actually act like kids because they aren't being fed lines by the script writers just improvising their own. So they actually act like kids too not Acting!Kids that stand completely still and stare right at you when they talk.

Apparently a U.S. version is in development.

[identity profile] thefourthvine.livejournal.com 2011-01-18 04:10 am (UTC)(link)
Bet you that if the US version gets to the small screen, their house will be much cleaner. I can't speak with great authority, but British TV in general seems to be more dedicated to making houses look like people actually live there. I mean, Sherlock and John's flat in the BBC version is, well, not exactly the sea of carefully designed and cleaned tastefulness that seems to dominate US shows.

I wonder if a show like that could survive a transition to the US, actually. It sounds like the kind of thing Hollywood just could not deal with.
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[identity profile] sdwolfpup.livejournal.com 2011-01-17 04:21 pm (UTC)(link)
The backlog has become even more alarmingly like a fantasy series written by G. R. R. Martin than usual.

This made me laugh in that pained way where you're laughing because you should but inside your heart is a shriveled blackhole of dashed hopes.

Ahem.

[identity profile] thefourthvine.livejournal.com 2011-01-18 04:16 am (UTC)(link)
*gentle pats*

I admit it, I gave up on the Song of Ice and Fire. It was around the time that I realized that his general strategy was:

Create some awesome characters!
Give them awesome adventures!
Kill them all!
Profit!
Create more awesome characters!

Ad inifinitum. (Seriously, he's stuck in an infinite loop, here. Probably the next book isn't coming out because he can't quite get everyone dead all at the same time, so he has to bring in MORE people, and then THEY have to die, and OH GOD IT'S THIRTEEN HUNDRED PAGES LONG AND SOMEONE JUST HAD A BABY. When will they all be DEAD?) So I have great sympathy for you, but mostly I am just laughing my ass off at your icon.
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[identity profile] gwynevere1.livejournal.com 2011-01-17 05:02 pm (UTC)(link)
Eventually, I had to find out more about this show, where half of the main slash pairing could be married to a woman and the fannish result was not a lot of She's Dead, Let's Fuck stories, but rather a lot of She's Awesome, Let's All Fuck stories.

Marry me. I mean, I know you're already married, but, if you weren't, I'd totally be asking you to marry me right now. (Unless the "She's Awesome, Let's All Fuck" scenario can be applied to real life situations, too.)
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[identity profile] gwynevere1.livejournal.com 2011-01-17 07:17 pm (UTC)(link)
I mean this in a completely non-creepy way.

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