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Keep Hoping Machine Running ([personal profile] thefourthvine) wrote2009-12-04 11:06 am

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Book I Have an Issue With:

SuperFreakonomics, by Steven Levitt and Stephen Dubner.

I knew I was in trouble with this book during the first chapter, which is on prostitution, the glories thereof. (At least for white women.) They reviewed a single study and talked to two prostitutes, one a street walker and the other a higher-priced prostitute, and came to the conclusion that, even though the study and the streetwalker suggested no such thing, prostitution is really pretty awesome for the ladies! As long as they like sex! They finish up the chapter in oh-gee bewilderment that more women aren't out there getting this awesome, terrific job of prostitution, which pays so well and has such keen hours and all. Women must be really dumb! Or hate sex!

But, okay, here's the thing: I am not an economist, and I can still read the statistics here. Women aren't actually dumb, and I can offer approximately nine billion data points on that one - research! Empirical evidence! Anecdotal evidence! A cluebat! And I can't put my finger on any research supporting it right now, but I can tell you that many women do in fact like sex. I happen to like it myself, for example, since we're willing to accept anecdotal evidence now, what with that lone happy hooker standing in for all women everywhere. In fact, let me take several steps up in rigor from SuperFreakonomics and do a poll on this one:

[Poll #1494493]

And yet so many of these smart, sex-loving women aren't prostitutes. Huh. If I were the authors of SuperFreakonomics, I would stop there, but, um, wouldn't it make more sense to say, hey, according to what we think, something should be happening, but it isn't happening in reality, so maybe there's a factor we're missing? Some reason why women don't want to be prostitutes? Maybe, instead of just talking to two prostitutes, one of whom enjoys the work, and calling it science, we should talk to some other people! Like, other women! Non-prostitutes!

I understand both authors are married. They could start by asking their wives why they never pursued this incredible job opportunity. Or, hey! They could ask me.

In high school, I did everything stupid it was possible to do, almost. I did loads of drugs and had lots of the kind of promiscuous sex where I didn't actually know the name of the guy(s) involved and I hung out in dangerous places and I drove like a moron and I broke many many laws and hung out with hallucinating people who were armed - wow, seriously, name the bad choice, I can point you to the place where I did it.

But here's the thing: I used to walk along streets in a rather unsafe and unsavory district of town, late at night. (Yet another bad choice!) And men used to pull their cars over and offer me money or drugs if I would have sex with them - hundreds of dollars, usually, and once more than a thousand (although, to be fair, that was for me and the male friend I was walking with at the time). I was young enough that those seemed like incredible, phenomenal sums of money. And I was having sex with everyone voluntarily anyway - anyone who asked and didn't offer me money was in, basically. I was cheerfully flexible about what I'd do - oral, anal, vaginal, manual, kink, whatever. And I was the queen of bad decisions. And I liked breaking rules. And laws.

I said no. Every time, without hesitation. It was the only sex I said no to at that time in my life. So, hey, authors of SuperFreakonomics, maybe you should come interview me! I can tell you exactly why I didn't take up that fabulous opportunity, and you'll have a chapter for your next book, since you claim to be statisticians but keep acting like a single interview actually produces data.

And that is not the only problem, mind you. That's the first chapter. I could continue, but mostly, my issues are: it's wandering and poorly written, it's not especially interesting, it's not even remotely scientifically accurate, and in a lot of places, it's so stupid you start looking around for the hidden camera.

Book I Actually Like:

The True Meaning of Smekday, by Adam Rex.

I spent the last year trying to get people to read this book. "It's awesome!" I would say in that intense, slightly terrifying tone people get when they're trying to shove a book or a religion or a coupon for half-off a show on you. "You should read it! Because it is SO AWESOME!"

In general, people nodded and smiled and continued not to read it. And it's not that I blame them - I had the book for about six months before I actually read it, possibly because Smekday sounds like an unfortunate genital disease - it's just that I want to weep for them. This book is so incredibly good, and everyone should read it, and yet I don't see huge True Meaning of Smekday Appreciation Clubs forming all over the English-speaking world. It's a puzzlement.

So, here's a partial list of those who will enjoy The True Meaning of Smekday. Simply check any that apply to you.

[Poll #1494494]

If you didn't tick any boxes, fine, you're excused. Otherwise, I'm going to keep bringing this up and bringing this up, and I can be really difficult about these things. (I like to pretend that it's like that one song, Whatever Lola Wants, except if it was about a recommender instead of, you know, Lola. I keep telling myself that I'm nothing at all like that one relative who keeps insisting that you should really try the casserole, you'll love it, NO REALLY. Or like the guy standing on the table in the park explaining about how the government is controlling is brain with space lasers. I - I try not to think about those people too much.)

Oh, and if you're one of the people with whom I have had the "Where are all the female characters in SF?" and "Where are all the characters of color in SF?" discussions, READ THIS BOOK. The main character is female, mixed race, and totally and completely awesome. Plus, you will really enjoy the commentary on colonialism.
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[identity profile] musesfool.livejournal.com 2009-12-04 07:31 pm (UTC)(link)
I *heart* "The True Meaning of Smekday" SO MUCH. I keep recommending it to people, too, but they don't seem to get it (until they read the book). Possibly because I am mostly flaily and incoherent about TIP and J.LO and SLUSHIOUS! Maybe I will reread it again this weekend. Sigh.

[identity profile] thefourthvine.livejournal.com 2009-12-05 12:26 am (UTC)(link)
I know! I think this book is so good that it actually works against itself, reducing people who read it to incoherence so that they can't properly indoctrinate their friends and relations.

J. Lo wishes you to be reading it againsoon this end of week!

[identity profile] best-beloved.livejournal.com 2009-12-04 07:37 pm (UTC)(link)
Is our copy of The True Meaning of Smekday still missing from the move? *whimper*

[identity profile] thefourthvine.livejournal.com 2009-12-05 12:26 am (UTC)(link)
I believe so. *pats soothingly*
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[personal profile] shinealightonme 2009-12-04 07:55 pm (UTC)(link)
I am amused that every single 18-22 year old in my Science for Idiots class could do a pull off a better, more scientific study than Mr. Levitt & Mr. Dubner.

[identity profile] thefourthvine.livejournal.com 2009-12-05 12:27 am (UTC)(link)
I am starting to suspect that my dog could pull of a better analysis than they could. It's economics by idiots!
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[personal profile] reginagiraffe 2009-12-04 07:57 pm (UTC)(link)
*sigh*

*puts a hold on it at the library*

[identity profile] thefourthvine.livejournal.com 2009-12-05 12:27 am (UTC)(link)
*cheers wildly*

[identity profile] alwaysaddled.livejournal.com 2009-12-04 07:59 pm (UTC)(link)
http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/cifamerica/2009/oct/21/superfreakonomics-prostitution-dubner-levitt

Freakonomics was also dumb in many ways (for example the chapter on parenting which treats IQ points as the be-all and end-all of parenting).

[identity profile] innocentsmith.livejournal.com 2009-12-04 09:17 pm (UTC)(link)
And then the rather less polite and more capslocky followup in Sady's awesome blog Tiger Beatdown:

AMANDA: the only appropriate response to the ridiculous question posed in the article would be, “I don’t know, why don’t you suck cock for a living?” Why don’t you suck cock, out of your fancy house, instead of being a famous economist? I’m sure that will be the pertinent question in “SuperDuperFreakonomics: The Freakiestonomics Yet”

SADY: yes, at some point. WHY AREN’T LEVITT AND DUBNER JOINTLY FELLATING YOU RIGHT NOW: A FREAKONOMIC ANALYSIS.
(http://tigerbeatdown.com/?p=549)

Good times.

[identity profile] sculpin.livejournal.com 2009-12-04 08:10 pm (UTC)(link)
Have you seen the True Meaning of Smekday training video (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WxkjIjxa2-Q)? The Boov have provided us with a puppet show to help us understand our newly simplified 3-month calendar. Just remember:
329 days has Boovember
And every human should remember
All the rest have 31
Except Humanuary, that has five.
You are lucky we don't kill you.

[identity profile] thefourthvine.livejournal.com 2009-12-05 12:34 am (UTC)(link)
I cannot begin to express my joy at this. Would it be wrong to begin adding "you are lucky we don't kill you" to everything I say?

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[identity profile] bathsweaver.livejournal.com 2009-12-04 08:24 pm (UTC)(link)
Oh, Smeckday. So much love. <333

(Sometimes, when I'm watching SPN, I look at Castiel and think, J.Lo! I have missed you SO MUCH! And then I start making plans for next year's BigBang)

[identity profile] thefourthvine.livejournal.com 2009-12-05 12:35 am (UTC)(link)
*blink blink blink*

J. Lo has been embodied as an angel? I did not know this!

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[identity profile] gwyn-r.livejournal.com 2009-12-04 08:32 pm (UTC)(link)
When I was working at Slate, we did a big thing with Freakonomics, and I remember reading some of that and thinking, wow, I am completely ignorant of proper procedures in this sort of work but even I know that's shoddy research and conclusion-jumping. Some of it was interesting, but that ended up being obscured for me by the fact that they seemed to be supporting their own version of reality very carefully. And I worry that their popularity is just going to make more people believe that they've got it right and use it like some kind of unassailable weapon in discussions about important things. Meh.

[identity profile] thefourthvine.livejournal.com 2009-12-05 12:37 am (UTC)(link)
I think that's almost certain to happen with the prostitution article, because it reports something most men would love to believe.

*sigh*

It's the crappy statistics use that gets me as much as anything, you know?

[identity profile] elucreh.livejournal.com 2009-12-04 08:37 pm (UTC)(link)
Is it a graphic novel book, or a regular book? Because I can't read graphic novels, it's a brain malfunction, but otherwise...

[identity profile] thefourthvine.livejournal.com 2009-12-05 12:38 am (UTC)(link)
Regular book? HAH. It is a SUPER FANTASTIC BOOK. (It is mostly text. With photos and illustrations, some of which are drawn by our new alien overlord!)

[identity profile] imkalena.livejournal.com 2009-12-04 08:43 pm (UTC)(link)
Sounds like the SuperFreaks should have read "Reefer Madness: Sex, Drugs, and Cheap Labor In The American Black Market," at least, before they wrote that tripe.

Freakonomics was highly entertaining, but some of their conclusions were just plain baffling, so I didn't bother with the new one.

[identity profile] thefourthvine.livejournal.com 2009-12-05 08:30 pm (UTC)(link)
I will be honest - I only vaguely remember Freakonomics, but I do at least recollect it being entertaining. This book is neither; it's short and stupid and feels like the bits they cut out of Freakonomics because they sucked. (There's one part where they're talking about the birthday effect, and they say, somewhat defensively, that they had a chapter on this that they wrote for Freakonomics, but they didn't use it, and in the meantime other people published about it, so it might SOUND like old hat, but really, they had it first. I stared at the book, wondering if these people had actually, you know, EVER KNOWN ACADEMIA.)

[identity profile] randomeliza.livejournal.com 2009-12-04 09:04 pm (UTC)(link)
I have been reading Smekday with my kids as a treat when we have extra time in class. I do voices, I make noises. It's kind of awesome.

My kids would rather have me read Smekday to them than just about anything. GREAT BOOK.

[identity profile] thefourthvine.livejournal.com 2009-12-05 08:32 pm (UTC)(link)
I TOLD YOU IT WAS AWESOME. (True confession: I used to read out loud to Best Beloved all the time before the earthling was born, and I still do it sometimes. And when I read Smekday out loud, I, too, did voices and noises. You can't not!)

*dances in celebration*

[identity profile] deepbluemermaid.livejournal.com 2009-12-04 09:20 pm (UTC)(link)
I was interested to read about the prostitution chapter in SuperFreakonomics, because I'm currently writing my PhD thesis on prostitution and STIs in Italy's African colonies. There was a crucial point made in one of the critiques of their approach: the supposedly 'happy hooker' was white, a high earner, working in classy hotel rooms, while the other, less happy woman was probably black (although this apparently isn't specified), and struggling to get by in really unpleasant circumstances. Who would have thought these factors could make a difference? But no, apparently, it was all in the high class prostitute's attitude to sex...

Unfortunately I can't interview any prostitutes, since the period I'm studying ends at WWII (and how exactly do you track down very elderly former prostitutes anyway?). But I'm pretty sure they weren't all doing it for the love of it! In Italy's colonies, most of the women - whether European or African - were made to live in brothels they weren't allowed to leave, had to undergo regular invasive medical examinations, and were forced to go to hospital (which were surrounded by barbed wire fences) when they were found to be infectious. The Army ran its own brothels, and the women serviced dozens of men per day. One Army base in Libya had 800 men, and 3 women at its dedicated brothel. Even if not all the men frequented the brothel, that's still one hell of a client base.

It's possible that some women then, as now, got into prostitution willingly and not out of desperate financial need. It seems that, at least in some African societies at the time, prostitution was an acceptable and not necessarily stigmatised way for widowed or divorced women to make a living. But to assume that you'll enjoy it as long as you enjoy sex, and not to consider any of the other factors governing entry to and participation in the sex industry, is DOING IT WRONG on an epic scale.

[identity profile] thefourthvine.livejournal.com 2009-12-05 08:41 pm (UTC)(link)
Oh, hey, your dissertation sounds fascinating! If you turn it into a book, I will totally buy it.

And, yeah, it's kind of amazing how the Freaky boys make it clear that it's all the black (she is, as I recall, explicitly stated to be black) prostitute's fault for just, you know, not liking her work enough and not being smart enough to have a good business plan. (Never mind that LaSheena, the black prostitute, probably did not ever have access to the tools (or the education, or the spare resources, or the breathing space) that Allie, the white one, used to build her business - Allie was a computer programmer before she was a prostitute, they tell us, and used the internet and the tools of her trade to build her selling-her-body business.) If she was just smart! And liked sex! Surely she would be happy and rich and not hanging out on street corners and so on.

The Italian prostitutes in the African colonies sound like they led absolutely hideous lives. How in god's name did they end up in those places?

Also, I admit I find it fascinating that the Italian government felt dedicated brothels were key to success in Africa. I mean, I know about camp followers and all the rest, and I know that prostitutes used to be more of an accepted part of military campaigns and suchlike, but somehow I thought of that in Way Long Ago Time, instead of just Long Ago Time.

But to assume that you'll enjoy it as long as you enjoy sex, and not to consider any of the other factors governing entry to and participation in the sex industry, is DOING IT WRONG on an epic scale.

Indeed it is. Of course, these guys seem to be making careers out of DOING IT WRONG - probably they're planning to change their names from Steven or Stephen to Doing It Wrong Levitt and Dubner. (Called Diw for short!)
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[personal profile] vass 2009-12-04 09:28 pm (UTC)(link)
It has colonialism? OK, sold.

Re sex work: I've considered it. And usually, the times when I consider it are the times when I'm in a very bad place and not valuing myself. I get to thinking "If I lost the weight and dyed my hair, I could just lie there and take it and make plenty of money." (Which, according to the sex workers whose blogs I've read, is not actually how it works, but that's how it goes in my miserable fantasies.) It's legal here, so that wouldn't be a problem (in the state of Victoria, brothels and escort services are legal; streetwalking is not, although it still happens.)

Or phone sex, I think of that too. "I wouldn't even have to lose the weight. It'd be just like fanfic, except I'd get paid for it. Most of the guys who ring phone sex lines don't even want the sex, they just want someone to pretend to be interested in them." But then I did the research.

Interesting fact about phone sex: the money does not just come pouring in. Yes, eventually the money is good, if you get a loyal customer base and are a private operator. But to start out, you need to buy your own equipment and jack in to some service that requires you to do a 40 hour week, which prevents you from doing any other work, and there's no guarantee anyone will call you at all. You might work those 40 hours and not get paid anything. I suspect this is true of all forms of sex work, although phone sex is the only one where I did the maths.

And in Australia, the bottom fell out of the phone sex industry when Senator Brian Harradine used his balance of power to get a law in requiring all phone sex customers to give their credit card details. Ostensibly it was as proof of age, but the effect was a huge slowdown, because most people don't actually want a phone sex number on their credit card details.

And no, sex isn't my thing. I had a low sex drive even before I went on meds, and now I have pretty much none.

[identity profile] thefourthvine.livejournal.com 2009-12-05 09:07 pm (UTC)(link)
It does indeed have colonialism! It's a commentary specifically on the colonization of the U.S., but I think an Australian will find it exceptionally familiar. (I'm not sure how much you know about the European invasion of this continent, of course - you might know quite a lot. I'm just saying, even without that, it's not like Australia and the U.S. don't have an awful lot in common in that arena.)

And, see, yes, that's it exactly - sex work is, for most non-sex workers WHO ARE WOMEN, a miserable fantasy. It is not the average healthy person's dream job. I'm not saying there aren't women (and men) who would love the job, or who do love the job. In fact, in high school I knew a number of women who did some kind of sex work, and one of them really did love it. (Of course, she was also heroin-addicted and mentally and emotionally fucked up to a degree that's hard for me to convey without writing a multiple-comment essay entitled Heather As I Came To Know Her, but. She did love the sex work! Until she died at the age of, I think, although she gave us all many different ages, 25.)

If people didn't have to give their credit card details before, how did they pay for phone sex? I admit I have not done an exhaustive investigation here, but I think you've always had to do that for phone sex in the U.S. Of course, the charges probably go on your statement as, like, Total Eclipse Industries or DYID Inc or something unrevealing, but, still, I am pretty sure you have to give the details out.

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Smekday

[identity profile] exceptinsects.livejournal.com 2009-12-04 10:10 pm (UTC)(link)
I read it! I think because you recommended it on Goodreads! So that's one!

Re: Smekday

[identity profile] thefourthvine.livejournal.com 2009-12-05 09:08 pm (UTC)(link)
YAY! I AM ENORMOUSLY PLEASED. (I hope you enjoyed it!)
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[personal profile] minkhollow 2009-12-04 10:29 pm (UTC)(link)
I should footnote my answer to the first poll with *inside my relationship, thank you.

[identity profile] thefourthvine.livejournal.com 2009-12-05 09:08 pm (UTC)(link)
Oh, certainly. "How much would you like having sex with random strangers who are paying you to submit yourself totally to their needs?" is a whole other question. I am guessing we would not see quite so much enthusiasm for that one.

[identity profile] jackiekjono.livejournal.com 2009-12-04 11:00 pm (UTC)(link)
I would be the worst prostitute ever.

I don't particularly enjoy sex and really don't think that the yeast infection I've gotten every single time I have had intercourse was really worth all of the rest of it.

I don't think they need to worry about competition from me.

It does seem a shame, though. I thought that the way they dealt with prostitution in the previous book was pretty fair. In that one they were trying to analyze why some prostitutes in Mexico city used condoms and others did not and pointing out that the prostitutes who chose not to use condoms were not being stupid, they were weighing the risks and the benefits and making a rational decision.

[identity profile] thefourthvine.livejournal.com 2009-12-05 09:14 pm (UTC)(link)
A yeast infection every time you have intercourse would make ANYONE hate sex, I am thinking. Holy god, that would suck. (Especially if you had any sex back in the days when yeast infection medication was still prescription only.)

I thought that the way they dealt with prostitution in the previous book was pretty fair.

I admit, I only vaguely remember that book, but I'm pretty sure I'd remember if it was this unutterably stupid. I think the problem is a) they ditched the methods of relying on existing research and careful statistical analysis and went anecdotal, which is NEVER A GOOD IDEA EVER HOLY GOD WHERE WERE YOU IN INTRO TO METHODS? and b) they, like many straight men, probably find the idea of prostitution curiously compelling and wish it wasn't such a godawful thing for everyone.

Of course, they basically phone in the whole book - it's terrible, it's wandering, it's barely based on economics or science or research at all, and it's incredibly short and contentless - so I can't say I'm wholly surprised they fucked up on the prostitution thing.

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[identity profile] anatsuno.livejournal.com 2009-12-04 11:18 pm (UTC)(link)
Smekday paperback, under 5 euros, shipping included, from the bookdepository.com: YOU JUST SOLD ONE. <3

[identity profile] thefourthvine.livejournal.com 2009-12-05 09:14 pm (UTC)(link)
Excellent. My plan is working! Now if you just get two friends to read it, and THEY get two friends to read it...

[identity profile] aidannwn.livejournal.com 2009-12-05 12:36 am (UTC)(link)
I'm writing a dissertation how to talk to animals :D

[identity profile] thefourthvine.livejournal.com 2009-12-05 09:20 pm (UTC)(link)
Probably more interesting than the interstate highway system, I will admit!

[identity profile] sundancekid.livejournal.com 2009-12-05 01:10 am (UTC)(link)
I have not read Smekday, but have you checked out Adam Rex's picture books? Frankenstein Makes a Sandwich comes highly recommended. (You have a little one, right? This is a great book for cracking kids up; I have not done it at a storytime yet, but my librarian friends who have swear by it.)

[identity profile] thefourthvine.livejournal.com 2009-12-05 09:20 pm (UTC)(link)
Oh my god, I didn't know he'd done picture books! I AM BUYING THOSE IMMEDIATELY, THANK YOU.
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[personal profile] busaikko 2009-12-05 01:13 am (UTC)(link)
The origianl Freakonomics was absolutely LOLtastic. There was this one researcher and his #1 fanboy wrote the book! Which is all about how amazing the researcher is!

... I think you left out the poll about how many of your flist are actually sex workers, or who have been, or who would consider it as a job....

[identity profile] thefourthvine.livejournal.com 2009-12-05 09:23 pm (UTC)(link)
Hey! Let's all get together and write a book! About how awesome we are! It will have such topics as Why Are All the People Who Don't Love Fan Fiction Such Stupidheads? And What Do People Who Think They Don't Read Fan Fiction and James Frey Have in Common?

... I think you left out the poll about how many of your flist are actually sex workers, or who have been, or who would consider it as a job....

Hmmm. Now I wish I had included that. Ah, well. In the true tradition of Freakonomics, I guess I will have to WRITE A SEQUEL.

[identity profile] starbrow.livejournal.com 2009-12-05 01:17 am (UTC)(link)
I've long had a fascination with prostitution - no idea why, it's just a thing that interests me, but I would not do it. Aside from any physical issues that make it impossible, I simply don't think I would be capable of handling it emotionally. From all that I've read, it requires you to somewhat play a part - to pretend to be what the man desires, nothing more, nothing less - and I couldn't do that without causing myself extreme stress. The sex I've had has been so wrapped up in at least warmth, if not love, that having impersonal sex would be utterly alien and impossible to me. It would be like writing impersonal poetry - I might technically be able to do it, but it wouldn't work.

[identity profile] badesquisse.livejournal.com 2009-12-05 01:41 am (UTC)(link)
Poorly done statistical analysis makes my teeth ache. I wonder, did the authors even consider male prostitution? Why more men don't take on the job if it's so awesome? And why include 'economics' in the title if it obviously doesn't have anything to do with the subject?

If the book you recommended was available online, I'd be reading it right now.

[identity profile] sequinedfairy.livejournal.com 2009-12-05 01:54 am (UTC)(link)
about the retardation - WHAT. just, like, WHAT. have they missed the ENTIRE POINT OF FEMINISM, where women like to have control over their own bodies? i am not deriding prostitutes, that is cool if that is what you want to do, but, like.

okay. i feel like i am talking to teenage boys again, and i have to explain to them PRECISELY WHY it is okay for them to joke around with their friends and touch each other, if both are down with it, but NOT OKAY with girls. and why touching an elbow is different than grabbing a boob. WOMEN'S BODIES ARE THEIR OWN PROPERTY, AND THEY ARE PRIVATE THINGS. EXCLUSIVE INVITATION ONLY, OKAY.

also, your high school experience sounds, i'm not going to lie, kind of fascinating. probably wasn't the best idea, but sounds really, really interesting. especially compared to who you are now! being an idiot in high school does not prevent you from living a good life, yay. and i totally agree with the prostitution refusal - i would probably make out with most reasonably attractive guys, but if they offered money, it would be an immediate HELL NAW. it's just not. happening.
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[personal profile] alestar 2009-12-05 03:22 am (UTC)(link)
Oh my god, who are the other left-handed fans of musical theater? TFV, you have the power to unite us! We would be unstoppable!
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[personal profile] alias_sqbr 2009-12-14 11:19 am (UTC)(link)
Having just read the book: one could definitely read it as having the moral "If left-handed fans of musical theater unite, they are nigh unstoppable"

[identity profile] livrelibre.livejournal.com 2009-12-05 05:24 am (UTC)(link)
Sold (on Smekday not the prostitution thing)!

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