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Keep Hoping Machine Running ([personal profile] thefourthvine) wrote2015-02-24 04:13 pm

[RL] Team Angry Cat

Last year, I went to a con in Chicago. On Saturday morning, I took the elevator from my room (fourth floor) to the con suite (second floor). Also on that elevator: a dude taking it to the first floor. As soon as I pressed the button, he said chidingly, "Two floors! Should've walked it." And then he literally, actually tutted at me. "Tut tut tut" went the arbiter of everyone else's body and abilities. Just so I'd know for sure that I'd been bad and been judged for it.

Now. There were a couple of conversations we could have had at this point. I could have told elevator dude the truth: that I have lupus (please please don't make the House joke; you have no idea how many times I've heard the House joke, and I promise you that sometimes it is in fact lupus), so I keep an eye on my energy and pain levels and try to save some of whatever ability I have for later. That I'm especially careful to do that when I'm at an event or traveling, because I don't want to be in my room exhausted or in pain when a thing I really wanted to do is happening two floors away, and I really don't want to be in pain and out of energy while traveling in modern American airports (apparent motto: "If you can't stand for four hours and run two miles full-tilt while carrying two weeks' supplies, lol no go fuck yourself"). So I'm careful. I don't push it. In the mornings, I might take the elevator, which the hotel did, after all, install for people to use.

I could also have told elevator dude to go fuck himself, which is the other honest conversation we could have had at that point. It is seriously none of his business whether I use the stairs, or the elevator, or rappel down the outside of the building, or maybe just dissolve into primordial ooze and drip down the walls.

But, you know, confrontation is another energy burner. I wanted to save my energy for having fun with my friends, the people I came to see. So I said something non-committal. Elevator dude wasn't done, though. "You should always find the stairs, first thing when you check into a hotel," this dude who was maybe ten years older than me and in no way my father said. "Did you know you're not allowed to use the elevator during a fire? Whenever you check into a hotel, you should think: what if there's a fire?"

Indeed, elevator dude. What if? What if, in my second decade of staying alone in hotels, you had not come along to tell me how to do it? I might have done it wrong, and then I would surely have burned to death in a fiery inferno, just as I have at least once a year throughout my adulthood, despite my mother giving me pretty much exactly those instructions back when I was seven and actually needed them.

Fortunately, at that point, we arrived at the second floor. I headed to the con suite and settled in. Some minutes later, I mentioned the mansplainer in the elevator and his profound concern for my well-being in case of fire. I didn't complain about the "should've walked" comment, largely because I didn't expect any support for it; I know an apparently able-bodied (and fat!) woman taking the elevator is cause for judgment in this world. (In some places, going by the general response, it's borderline actionable.) And most people at that particular table didn't know the details of my medical status, since in general, when given the choice between talking with my friends about lupus or talking with them about people banging, or being unicorn space eagles, or both, I tend to choose the pointy space birds and their sexytimes.

"Why would anyone say that to you?" one of the women at the table asked, in that mystified dudes-why-are-you? tone. "How does that even come up?"

So I explained about how we got on the topic of elevators. As soon as I said, "He said I should've taken the stairs," ten women around the table looked up and angry cat hissed in unison. It was like they'd rehearsed it for weeks after months of watching angry cats and studying their motivations. Truly a beautiful moment.

From this experience I learned some things:
  1. Support matters. Those women and their instinctive and audible anger didn't just make me feel better; they actually changed the way I remember the event. They became what was important about it rather than elevator dude. His judgment has become small and insignificant to me, and in fact I smile when I think about him, because he's inextricably linked to that moment ten people became Team Angry Cat for me.

  2. A lot of times, I don't reach for support because I don't expect it. I don't talk about the random elevator dude type aggravations of life, because I assume there's a good chance most people will side with the elevator dudes of the world. It's worth it to find the places where that isn't true. And it's worth it to reach for support when I can.

  3. I need to look for more chances to be on other people's Team Angry Cat. I don't need to know about that person's life or judge their worthiness; if they've experienced harassment or microaggressions, I'm gonna try to support them.

  4. I'd pay significant money for a YouTube series that was just ten women angry cat hissing at ability enforcers and mansplainers and dudes shouting "smile, baby!" at random ladies and so on.
Oh, yeah, and to the ten members of that particular Team Angry Cat: thank you. You're the best, and I will hiss for you anytime.
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[personal profile] mtl 2015-02-25 12:03 pm (UTC)(link)
I adore the idea of Team Angry Cat!

I get side-eyed, too, but less since I've started using my cane - that, plus being visibly older (gray haired) tend to limit that, somewhat, but still? None of anyone's business why I use elevators/escalators.
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[personal profile] abyssinia 2015-02-25 01:58 pm (UTC)(link)
But...but...why the ever-loving-fuck is it any of his business how you (a random stranger to him) move between floors in a hotel? Hotels seem to be designed to encourage people to choose the elevator and...just...I always get flummoxed by stories of people mansplaining to strangers. It seems to so far outside the realm of acceptable behavior.


Are the "unicorn space eagles" a real thing and is there fic? That sounds WAY better than idiot mansplainers.
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[personal profile] dorinda 2015-02-25 02:12 pm (UTC)(link)
Your post made me laugh and laugh--not because of the event in it (and the same thing happened to me recently, though in my home apartment building, and did I see red aaauurrrggh), but because I was reading it on my phone in private, and after the very first paragraph I literally lifted my upper lip and made a hissing noise at the guy. Instinctively. So then when I continued reading, and learned about the same instinct happening among others of the Team, I fell about laughing.

Team Angry Cat: we are everywhere!

(P.S. DID YOU KNOW ABOUT FIRE. HE KNOWS ABOUT FIRE. AND HOTELS. WHENEVER YOU GO SOMEWHERE YOU SHOULD THINK, WHAT WOULD THIS RANDOM ASSBAG DO. BECAUSE HE KNOWS.)
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[personal profile] kouredios 2015-02-25 04:05 pm (UTC)(link)
If I were in the consuite at that time, I absolutely feel like I would have hissed too. What a jerkweasel.

Hisssssssssssssss
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[personal profile] mme_hardy 2015-02-25 04:29 pm (UTC)(link)
What the actual fuck. HISSSSSSS.

My chronic migraines lead to chronic exhaustion. I, too, look "healthy" but am disabled and often can't take stairs. I worry every time I take the disabled seats on the subway that I'm being judged.
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[personal profile] azurelunatic 2015-02-27 07:08 am (UTC)(link)
I find it fucking hilarious (insert bitter chuckles here) that two major things happened when I started carrying a cane:

1) Being able to lean on it when I needed support resulted in tripling or quadrupling my safe walking distance
2) Even though it worked to make me less exhausted and less often in need of various on-site accessibility features, people started treating me better and offering me seats even when I didn't need them (but would have without the cane).
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[personal profile] wanted_a_pony 2015-02-25 04:45 pm (UTC)(link)
SSSSSSSSsssssssssss! (I wish I had the 'Read my ears' cat-icon here on DW too)

I will always be on your Team Angry Cat; also on my friends', acquaintenances', family's, & probably total strangers' teams too! I want this to be a meme & go viral so I can wear a button or t-shirt & folks will know they can count on me. (If asshats recognize that they should keep their pieholes shut around me, that would be an added bonus.)

Actually, wouldn't this be a prime candidate for a flash mob in certain circumstances? Most hiss-worthy events are fleeting & the asshats mobile; but if one or more settles in at one location or building for long enough to flash the Cat Symbol.... >;->
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[personal profile] vass 2015-02-25 05:44 pm (UTC)(link)
*hisses along*
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[personal profile] soupytwist 2015-02-25 05:56 pm (UTC)(link)
I love that absolutely nobody has needed angry cat hissing explaining to them. It's truly instinctive. :D

(Fandom is the best, and mansplaining ASSWIPES deserve to be hissed at.)
Edited 2015-02-25 17:57 (UTC)
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[personal profile] sothcweden 2015-02-25 07:01 pm (UTC)(link)
I love that everyone instinctively pitched in with the support at that moment, and I would like to add my belated hiss to the chorus! What an asshat.

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[personal profile] riverlight 2015-02-25 09:32 pm (UTC)(link)
Sorry to add yet another comment, but: 1) YAY TEAM ANGRY CAT. 2) Yay you for writing this. It's a great reminder to me to try to be on other people's Teams.

Thank goodness for fans!
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[personal profile] sasha_feather 2015-02-26 04:49 am (UTC)(link)
Thanks for this. It's so well-phrased and useful. Many of my twitter pals are my Team Angry Cat, and it helps so much.

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[personal profile] cme 2015-02-26 07:48 am (UTC)(link)
Fucking elevator (and escalator) judges, so much damn hate from another fat disabled woman who is sick of talking about what's "wrong" with her. I would love to be on your Team Angry Cat, whenever you need.

I used to work in a 36-storey skyscraper that was massively overcrowded, to the point that the wait at rush times could be up to 15 minutes and the elevators made people constantly late for meetings. Once I was in a full elevator, and a guy got on at one floor and off on the next. A woman on the elevator (who I recognized from Corporate Feminism events, though she didn't recognize me) made a viciously judgmental comment about people who are too fucking lazy to take the stairs for one floor and make everyone else late.

She was the only person in the elevator who hadn't noticed I was wearing a bright red knee brace. The atmosphere in the elevator got glacial and silent (which she did not notice) and I gave her the thousand-yard stare (which she also did not notice- you might be sensing a theme here). I would like to say that someone else on the elevator said something to her, but the bunch of young, able-bodied tech dudes clearly could not figure out what was safe to say in front of the gimpy woman she'd offended. (And I decided to roll my eyes at the lot of them and get on with my day.)

In conclusion, HIIISSSSSSSSSSSSS.
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[personal profile] shayheyred 2015-02-26 09:16 pm (UTC)(link)
Here is the joy of being as old as I am (which, hello, teetering on crone-dom): I no longer refrain from commenting back to asshats like the one who spoke that way to you. Had someone said something like that to me, I would have eviscerated him on the spot. Now, please understand I am in no way telling you how you should have responded. I totally get the "do not engage" response, believe me, and it is a good one. I just have had enough. I have come to a point in my life where someone saying something as judgmental and ridiculous as his remarks no longer gets a pass. Ever. Perhaps some day soon I will give a harsh rejoinder in an elevator and they will find my bloodied body on the floor when it reaches the lobby. But until then, the very least I will reply to mansplaining morons is "what on earth makes you think I am interested in your opinion?"
(And, just for the record, he sounds like there's something actually wrong with him. Such ignoring of appropriate social behavior transcends asshole-dom.)

:Hissing on your behalf:
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[personal profile] azurelunatic 2015-02-27 07:02 am (UTC)(link)
Go Team Angry Cat!

I've been honing a very light, sweet, high, and full of fucking knives tone of voice wherein I explain in very small words the things like "I'm not worried about making my step count today, because I'm a little more worried about breathing enough to keep getting oxygen!" and "Well, I could take the stairs, but I think I'd like a couple more years with these knees." It may not be nice to make them feel like a fucking heel, but they started it.
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[personal profile] kellyfaboo 2015-02-27 04:03 pm (UTC)(link)
This is especially hilarious to me because I probably spent $1000 this last week because I decided to take the stairs instead of the elevator -- well the 5k I did the weekend before probably didn't help either.

My job is fairly sedentary, but I just needed to go one or two floors so I took the stairs. In the afternoon I felt like I pulled a muscle up by my groin but I didn't think much of it.

The next morning I was running a 101.7F fever. At first I thought I caught the flu, but by the afternoon I could barely move my leg because of pain in the knee. Got into the doctor late in the afternoon which inspired a hurried trip to the hospital where I waited for Imaging to take an ultrasound of my leg for DVT (the deadly type of blood clot).

I got lucky and we ruled that out, but we still think I have a superficial blod clot that is still somewhat painful a week later even though my fever has gone away.

Taking the stairs isn't always a healthy option. :-)
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[personal profile] tyger 2015-02-27 11:16 pm (UTC)(link)
What an asshole, for serious. And also thank you for the reminder to not be internally grumpy at people in the lifts; I have to take them a LOT at work, because five flights with the mail cart is stupid dangerous even if it's empty, which it usually isn't, and it's so easy to fall into the 'gfdi why are we stopping at every floor why can you not just take the stairs' grump-trap. But no, that's not fair, the fuck am I to judge.
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[personal profile] umadoshi 2015-02-28 04:59 pm (UTC)(link)
This post is fantastic, and it makes me smile all over again every time I see the link pop up. HISS!
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[personal profile] archersangel 2015-03-04 12:32 am (UTC)(link)
what a jackass!

i rarely take the stairs because both knees creak, click & sometimes tighten up with too much use. i blame having to run up & down a bunch of stairs in high school to get from class to class in 2 minutes because that's all the time they gave you to get from place to place. BTW my brother also has f**ked up knees.

the only time i take stairs is if it's a short flight or the only other option is an escalator. i have issues with escalators.
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[personal profile] gridlore 2015-03-05 07:01 pm (UTC)(link)
To look at me, you'd see a healthy man in his late 40s. I'm skinny, decently built, and look like I could go run up the stairs.

What you can't see is the damage from the stroke. I have balance issues as well as some proprioception issues on my right side. Then there's the peripheral neuropathy in both legs that make standing and walking anything more than short distances painful.

So I take the elevator. And use my disabled parking placard. And I've gotten the same basic lecture.

Stand strong against the morons! Or sit, if you need to!

airports are hell

(Anonymous) 2015-03-09 02:56 am (UTC)(link)
... modern American airports (apparent motto: "If you can't stand for four hours and run two miles full-tilt while carrying two weeks' supplies, lol no go fuck yourself")

I hear you. I also have a chronic illness. I resisted for years due (pride, mostly) but now I don't ever travel unless I can get wheelchair service.

Re: airports are hell

(Anonymous) 2015-03-09 03:01 am (UTC)(link)
Oops, posted too soon!

Thanks for your wonderful story. And may I add my own belated "hiss" as further support for you.
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[personal profile] laughingrat 2015-03-10 03:05 pm (UTC)(link)
This is a wonderful post! I'm sharing it around if that's okay, b/c I think a lot of folks will find it validating and awesome.
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[personal profile] name_les 2015-05-07 05:54 pm (UTC)(link)
::angry cat hiss::

This takes me back to my 2nd pregnancy. I had pre-term contractions in both. With the 1st pregnancy I was hospitalized twice to stop them, then confined to bed from week 25 on.

I worked at corporate headquarters in a 3-story building. I would take the elevator 1 floor down to (& back up from) the basement cafeteria. Unfortunately, a jackass lawyer from the 2nd floor was frequently a fellow passenger. Every damn time he saw me he informed me that I should be taking the stairs as pregnant women need exercise. The 1st 5 times I explained about the contractions and that exercise and STRESS would make them more frequent which could end in a very premature baby that might not survive. I even added a couple of times that my ob would disagree as he ordered that I was to have as little physical activity & stress as possible. After that, I never replied at all unless there were other people, then I would preface the explanation with "still having those pre-term contractions I told you about the last time you said that."

The first few times, I thought he was just kinda oblivious & stupid or possibly drunk. It was hard to believe that a person could be amused by deliberately embarrassing/humiliating (i.e. cause STRESS) someone that they didn't even know at the risk of damaging a child's life-long health.
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[personal profile] happydork 2022-03-03 03:14 pm (UTC)(link)
This is such a good post. [personal profile] such_heights and I reference it often -- in fact, I reread it just now because she linked it in a discord conversation thanking some of our friends for being the angry cats beneath our wings in an ongoing building works clusterfuck.
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Still relevant ten-and-a-half years after the fact.

[personal profile] full_metal_ox 2025-10-02 08:11 pm (UTC)(link)
This Care and Feeding column posted to [community profile] agonyaunt, about a first-grader whose teacher complains that she’s disrupting the class by reading ahead of her grade, brought an immediate chorus of sympathetic outrage that one commenter likened to Team Angry Cat—-which might well have happened were the discussion in a meatspace context!

https://agonyaunt.dreamwidth.org/909883.html

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