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Keep Hoping Machine Running ([personal profile] thefourthvine) wrote2006-06-18 12:57 am
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Anime Vids for Media Fans

(Note: this was going to be a contribution to an UnCon vidshow, but it got out of hand. Badly out of hand. So I figured I'd post it here and spare all the virtual con-goers a lot of scrolling.)

Anime vids are wonderful. And they are totally worth watching even if you don't watch anime.

For one thing, they're very, very pretty. I tend to think of them as the way live-action vids will look in a few years. (Anime is easier to work with, and especially to do effects on, than live-action source. I think. I mean, Jesus, don't take my word for it, since all forms of vidding look equally - i.e., infinitely - difficult to me. If you want actual facts, though, I'm guessing you'll be reading another LJ, or at any rate another post. This post will not be fact-intensive.)

For another, they are surprisingly accessible to the non-anime watcher. When we started watching anime vids, Best Beloved (my unindicted co-conspirator in all vid watching; I need a co-conspirator because I am, basically, very very slow on the uptake) and I had not seen any anime at all. And, sure, we had some conversations like:

Me: Um. How many characters are there in this vid?

BB: Four? There's, let's see. Purple hair guy, blue hair guy, green hair guy, and blond hair guy. Four.

Me: Those are guys?

BB: Only their doctors know for sure.

[There is a pause.]

BB: Well, and the character that's feeling the other character up right now probably knows, too. Or maybe he just isn't very picky.

[There is another pause as we watch two people with fabulous hair make out while flying through air filled with cherry blossoms.]

Me: My god, this is like watching a documentary about salt water fish. They're very pretty and very colorful and completely mystifying.

But we also watched a lot of vids in stunned, awed silence. In many cases, we understood what was going on perfectly - making out while flying through air filled with cherry blossoms is pretty much a universal experience, after all. Sometimes, we were just hypnotized by the pretty. And eventually we acquired a basic understand of anime themes and tropes:

[We watch Girl A shoot Girl B.]

Me: So now they're gonna kiss, right?

[We watch Girl A kiss Girl B.]

BB: I guess some things really are universal.

And:

Me: Hey, look! It's a Gunfighter Who Walks Alone!

BB, nodding appreciatively: He walks a lonely road. It's only him and he walks alone.

Me: ...Except for that girl right there in the sailor outfit.

BB: And the three talking yellow circles with beaks and triangle feet.

In short, we began to trust anime vidders and love anime vids. (Not to mention the actual anime itself, which turns out to be a) good and b) fun. Or so Best Beloved tells me; since the last disc of Trigun, I've stuck to just the vids.)

And if I can understand anime vids, anyone can. Even the salt water fish would have decent odds. So. Give me a chance to persuade you, okay?

First - and LJ-cut for those of you who already know it - I present two guides for any beginners out there.

Things It Would've Been Really Useful to Know Before I Started Watching Anime Vids

  1. Boobs are key. If a character has boobs, she's female. If a character doesn't have boobs, no matter how pretty or androgynous he is, he's probably male. If two people are kissing and you'd like to know what sex they are, count boobs. Four boobs? It's a lesbian kiss. No boobs? It's a gay kiss. Eleven boobs? Send me the link.

  2. It's just a frame. It doesn't mean what you think. Because, see, in live-action vids, if it's on the screen, it happened. Maybe in the canon, maybe in the Super Extended Ultra Slashy Edition, maybe in the outtakes, but it happened somewhere.

    In anime, well, not so much. Anime vidders can use effects to make characters from different canons talk to each other. They can remove key elements from scenes, like other characters. They can add key elements to scenes, like someone doing something very obscene with her tongue. They can - and will - make the characters lip sync to the music. (Yes, it looks weird to someone who is used to watching live-action vids. At the beginning, it threw me right out of the vid, because, really - what are the odds that the Giant Robot Spaceship Fighter from the 23rd Century just happens to be a big fan of Nickelback? But you'll get used to it. After a while, it will even begin to seem natural for an extremely pretty boy to work through his issues by kicking the shit out of his enemies while singing "Feelings." When you reach this state, it is time to go back to live-action vids.)

  3. If you are on dial-up, anime vids are not for you. Anime vidders think nothing of uploading an 80 MB three minute vid. So much so that I've reached a point where I'm vaguely suspicious of any anime vids smaller than 30 MB. (I find myself squinting narrowly at the download box and thinking, "What did you cut, exactly, to get it down that small?" But this is very wrong and size queeny of me and I'm well aware of it.)

  4. Anime vidders are like magpies: very drawn to the shiny. They like bright colors and flashing frames and scenes where 18 characters from different fandoms do the funky chicken. After a while, you'll like it, too. Or you'll have an epileptic seizure. One or the other.


A Nearly Useless Guide to AMV.org

  1. AnimeMusicVideos.org: it's where the vids are. This is the best vid site ever. All the links below, and almost all of the anime vid links I'll ever provide, will go there. You can download vids from AMV until your bandwidth sobs openly and holds an intervention. But you need to register for an account first. Registration is free, and they don't molest your email address or anything. (As far as I know.)

    Plus, once you have an account, it will track the vids you download - you'll never download something twice. And when you've rated some vids - which you have to do every ten downloads - you can get suggestions of other ones you might like. Seriously, it's very neat. Also, there are forums. I don't visit them, mind you, on account of my tragic allergy to other people, but I'm sure they're wonderful.

  2. You don't need to leave feedback. That's kind of a controversial statement, but - anime vidders seem to want, and get, very detailed opinions from other fans, and by "detailed" I mean "you need, at minimum, a master's degree from a reputable film school in order to give them." If you have such a degree, I encourage you to go check out ZeWrestler and Iserlohn's Guide to Opinions. Everyone else, well. My advice is to just use the star ratings on AMV, and concentrate your actual written feedback on live-action vidders. You don't need an eight chapter guide to do that.

  3. There is a part of each vid page where the creator can talk about the vid. Skip it. Okay, no. Don't skip it. Read it. Because this is my issue, totally; it's just - when I started watching anime vids, there was nothing like the creator-talks section to make me feel like I needed to go somewhere more suitable for a person such as myself. Like, for example, a Gymboree. But I'm sure these things are actually very informative and useful, and I'm also sure I'm an idiot for posting vid recs without reading the creator's discussion of each one. And I am surprisingly comfortable with that.

    My real message about this is: don't read those sections until after you watch the vid. Reading what the vidder has to say will bias you; I found I could never quite come to my own terms with vids when I already knew what the creator was intending to do. Admittedly, my terms were generally a lot more like, "Oooo. Vid pretty" rather than "And then, in the section that starts at about 1.14 (with the marimba), it transitions to an overall theme of the despair of the human condition," but, well. They were still my terms.


So. Great vids. Accessible to all. Do you need another reason? Then try this: anime has a huge preponderance of ninjas, pirates, cowboys, gunslingers, assassins, robots, gay boys, lesbian girls, purple hair, and floating chicken-computer librarians. It has genderfuck, pandafication, angst, hurt/comfort, and more feathers than you could find in an entire archive of wingfic. Basically, anime is like all the glorious parts of fan fiction made canon. And anime vids pack these same things into four minutes. Anime vids: the primary reason you will never be bored again.

Bachelorette, by Kusoyaro. Revolutionary Girl Utena: the Adolescence of Utena. (More information about this movie. Thanks, [livejournal.com profile] strangerian!)

The source for this has canon genderfuck femslash (I told you it was like fan fiction in motion!) and, well, who doesn't love canon genderfuck femslash? Not me, people; when I'm in meetings where I have to introduce myself and list three things I love, "canon genderfuck femslash" always makes the list, generally preceded by "canon genderfuck boyslash" and "copyright infringement for fun, not profit." I am so professional it hurts.

But I want you to see this one because of the movement. It's - this is one of the first anime vids I ever watched that completely hypnotized me; I had to watch it three times just to get to the point where I start with most vids. (Which is, basically, asking who and what and where and why and also what is up with all the rose petals?) It's just...it's really, really gorgeous, without having that kind of "I'm going to use another effect here because it's anime so I can nyah nyah nyah" feel that anime vids sometimes get. Am I allowed to say a vid is lyrical? Probably not. So, okay - this is, in effect, an instrumental type vid; yes, there are lyrics, but the vid's focus is matching music and images, not words and images or plot and images. I'm not sure exactly why the creator went that direction, but oh how it works, and it requires absolutely no background knowledge at all.

Urban Ragnarok, by jbone. Metropolis.

I'm not sure why it is, but Metropolis (the anime) has produced so many excellent vids it should have been a struggle to pick one. But it wasn't, because this vid wins at everything: effects, music, cutting, tone, beat, depth, everything. I mean, the mood switches alone are just...and also, OMG, the content, and...see? I'm incoherent. This vid will do that to you. You need to see this, and I don't care if you've never heard of either Metropolis.

(Although if you have, and it's the live-action Metropolis - okay. Everyone who has a degree in film, please move on to the next vid summary right now. The rest of you - if you stared in total bewilderment at Fritz Lang's Metropolis and finally agreed that it was a brilliant classic just to get the person who showed it to you to shut up before your brains ran out your nose, this vid will hold a special extra pleasure for you. There are no very fuzzy scenes of random jerky people doing something that, yes, might be an allegory for the human condition in a technological society, but also might very well be an early version of the Frug. And the amazing visuals? Are actually there. If you watched Metropolis like I watched Metropolis - at the behest of a person with an unexpected sadistic streak, basically - then this vid will heal your soul.)

Here Comes the Sun, by Daniel Chang. Multifandom.

This is a gorgeous tribute to Hayao Miyazaki and Studio Ghibli (makers of Spirited Away, Princess Mononoke, Howl's Moving Castle, Kiki's Delivery Service, etc.). There's no special reason you need to have seen any of the sources to see this vid, although if you ever tell a real anime fan you've never seen a Ghibli movie you will bring pain into the universe. Possibly your own pain. (And also, roughly three times out of five, you'll get an extensive lecture about the evils of Disney. Sometimes with PowerPoint presentations. And it's not that the anime fan will be wrong, it's just that after the first hour you will be searching desperately for the emergency eject button. Myself, I'd just lie.)

But. My point is, if you have seen some Ghibli - and I'd recommend at least Spirited Away - you'll know that they aren't all sunshine and roses (more of a flying and fantasy kind of thing, really), but this vid is pretty much pure sunshine. (Plus a lot of flying. It is Ghibli, after all.) It's sweet, sentimental, and gentle, and I defy anyone to get all the way through it without experiencing a certain warming of the heart. (Warning: this may be an unsettling experience for my fellow I'm-not-a-cynic-I'm-a-realists.) What I find most fascinating about this vid, though, is how using the works of a single studio with a consistent style provides visual and thematic continuity that you just don't get in most multifandom vids; these sources just go together in a way that becomes very, very clear when you see them next to each other.

Right Now Someone Is Reading This Title, by Doki Doki Productions. Multifandom.

This is a perfect bridge between media fandom and anime fandom. Because, okay, it's a series of in-jokes set against clips from about 50 sources, and it should be the least accessible thing in the world. But you don't need to know the sources, because 75% of the jokes are actually about fandom and fans. I get most of them even though I know nothing about anime or the anime fan world. Plus, it's one of the talkiest vids I've ever seen - in terms of words on the screen, I mean - that worked, and it works so well. That alone is downright amazing, because generally if there's more than a few words on the screen I find myself wondering why the vidder didn't just go ahead and write fan fiction. There are some stunningly brilliant exceptions to that, though, and this is one of them.

(Side note the first: watch for the appearance of the Disney/Ghibli - and I know what you're thinking, but trust me: no one should write that pairing - thing. You will feel cool! At least, you will if you are a dork like me.) (Side note the second: Best Beloved swears this song had an actual music video very much like this one. Can anyone point me to a download of it? Or something? Because there are wistful remarks every time I play this, and, seriously, there's only so much wistfulness a girl can stand.)

Die Another Day, by VicBond007. Noir.

I wanted to be sure to include at least one special effects intensive vid, and - well, wait. All of these are special effects intensive, most of them actually much more than this one, but this one has what I believe will be the most noticeable effects to a new watcher. It's fast, it's action-packed, and it's easy to follow even if you have no idea what Noir is about. (Assassins! Amnesiacs! I'm telling you, anime fans don't have to smoke crack, because the canon creators do it for them.) And you can really appreciate the sheer shininess of the tools that anime vidders have at their disposal.

Plus, okay. See - I have a weakness for pairings in which one person tries to kill the other but they love each other anyway. I'm sorry. I have no idea what twisted part of my psyche believes that true love means having to wear Kevlar. But I do know that this vid hits that kink in spades; sure, mostly they're fighting on the same side, but that opening scene where they're pointing guns at each other? My reaction to this is: OMG SQUEEEEEEEE THEY ARE SO IN LOVE! In other words, my inner fangirl totally emerges and starts drawing little hearts on the screen. (Those of you who have seen Trigun will now understand why I liked that series so much. Up until the last disc. Damn you, last disc!)

Failed Experiments in Video Editing, by Elizabeth Kirkindall/Big Big Truck Productions. Cowboy Bebop and original drawings.

You really don't need to know the source to get this vid, since it is in fact not about Cowboy Bebop, but I am providing a link so that those of you with any soul at all can add it to your Netflix queues. This series has Ein in it. Ein, possibly my favorite character in all the world. (And, oh my god, I just realized: there totally needs to be a Cowboy Bebop x due South story in which Ein and Diefenbaker, another of my favorite characters in all the world, meet. This is Meant to Be, people.)

So. This is what meta looks like in an anime vid; it's a vid about vidding. I'm sure this is even more funny if you have ever actually made a vid of any kind, but really you only have to have seen a couple, live action or anime, to appreciate, for example, the "Down in the River to Pray" sequence. This vid makes me happy when skies are gray. Or, more specifically, when I have watched too many vids in which the works of Evanescence are used to explore the theme that John really, really loves Rodney. (Or that Buffy really loves Angel, or that Diefenbaker really loves doughnuts. Whatever. Because that's the beauty of the Classic Evanescence Rite of Passage Vid: no matter what source you choose, you get a vid consistent in quality and theme with all other CERPVs.) And I'm actually trying to avoid saying anything more about the vid, for fear of spoiling it, so I think I'll go with the time-tested method of doing that and shut up. (Yes. You are allowed one relieved sigh. But only one.)

[identity profile] thefourthvine.livejournal.com 2006-06-19 05:05 pm (UTC)(link)
Just--seriously, I've been looking for a way to get into anime vids, but can you blame me for being terrified?

I totally can't. It's a scary world over there. Nifty, yes, but definitely scary. But if we band together, use the buddy system, and look both ways before downloading, we can get through it safely. That's what this post is all about, really: anime vids without pain.

Downloading all of these, no matter how much it makes my hd space cringe.

It's good practice for your hard drive. You're a vidder, a member of that elite community of people who have a BDSM relationship with their hard drives; your machinery needs to get used to the new world order.

which, god. You have no idea how much that is my life right now, except for the boyfriend part.

*enthusiastic*

Have you vidded violence to a capella gospel yet? Do you have a beret?

*cannot wait to see (the a capella gospel vid, I mean, although a photo of you in the beret would be great, too)*

[identity profile] thefourthvine.livejournal.com 2006-06-19 05:07 pm (UTC)(link)
Thank you!

The fandom love!

If there's ever a book called Women Who Love Fandom Too Much, I will totally get my own chapter.

[identity profile] thefourthvine.livejournal.com 2006-06-19 05:28 pm (UTC)(link)
Ooo! Thank you. I haven't seen the Tutu or the FMA vids before, and they sound great. I'm looking forward to them.

*waits impatiently for download to finish*

I Wish I Was a Lesbian (which I cannot type without thinking, "You mean you wish you were a lesbian") and Tainted Donuts are definitely the winners in the comments section, and I completely agree. (It's amusing to me that I avoided recommending them because they were a) anime vids I imprinted on and b) ones I thought you needed to know some context to get. I am making a mental note to succumb to my first impulses next time.)

I suspect looking through the studio's profile would yield more good stuff

I really like his Wizard of Ozaka, although I'm guessing that you need to have spent some time playing RPGs to feel the love (well, and you need to know the basic plot of the Wizard of Oz). And I hadn't even noticed West Side Bebop before you brought it up, but now I, too, am tempted. It's a fabulous name.

[identity profile] thefourthvine.livejournal.com 2006-06-19 05:36 pm (UTC)(link)
What're you doing?!

I am luring you over to the dark side. Is it working?

The one I saw, btw, was about as accessible as you can get and had the entire room laughing.

It's one of my favorite anime vids, but I really didn't think it would be accessible to the non-anime watcher. I thought that you'd need to know at least a bit about the sources to get the commentary on anime relationships. I should've remembered the First Lesson of Anime Vids: some things are truly universal.

Thank you for confirming that the characters are often manipulated into singing the song. That was not anywhere near as disorienting as it should have been.

That vid has one of the best uses of lip sync I've seen, just because it totally works; the singing really isn't disorienting the way it sometimes can be. I wonder if that has something to do with the long spoken intro, or if it's just, you know, Absolute Destiny's genius shining through.

You're probably right that the funny is a factor, though. (We still say, "You mean you wish you were a lesbian" all the time in this house. It's one of those phrases that just cannot be overused, is what we're finding.)
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[personal profile] brownbetty 2006-06-19 05:40 pm (UTC)(link)
If you turn off all the images, pages actually load quite quickly! If by quickly you mean: no more than one cup of tea brewed while waiting.

[identity profile] elishavah.livejournal.com 2006-06-19 06:10 pm (UTC)(link)
Before my connection crapped out an hour ago, I was in the middle of commenting to you that, okay, YOU ARE EVIL. Or anime is. I don't know, but I've now downloaded all of the ones you've pointed to, loved them (so pretty!), and am starting in on the ones in the comments, so SOMEONE IS TO BLAME.

I really didn't think it would be accessible to the non-anime watcher. I thought that you'd need to know at least a bit about the sources to get the commentary on anime relationships.

Well, granted, I've got [livejournal.com profile] shrift, [livejournal.com profile] coffeeandink, and others making sure that my fannish osmosis is stressed to the limit on anime and manga. I mean, I can already identify most FMA, PoT, Cowboy Bebop, and Ghibli art and characters. But I find it hard to believe that anyone can hang around media fandom and NOT pick up that anime is not only the home of tentacles and wings, but of androgyny, genderbending, and slash that put even the fic for live-action fandoms to deep and utter shame.

And oh yeah, "You mean you wish you were a lesbian" got the first laugh, and it was loud. We are happy to be grammar snobs, thankyouverymuch.

[identity profile] thefourthvine.livejournal.com 2006-06-19 11:04 pm (UTC)(link)
*beams*

Thank you! (And, wow. You worked at a video store that specialized in anime? I'm...impressed. But how is it that you didn't end up in a billion anime fandoms?)

[identity profile] thefourthvine.livejournal.com 2006-06-19 11:07 pm (UTC)(link)
Thank you! That's good to hear, especially since I wasn't sure I should actually post this. (It's bad enough that I rec vids when I don't understand them. But recommending anime vids seemed kind of far out on the limb even for me.)

[identity profile] laurashapiro.livejournal.com 2006-06-19 11:15 pm (UTC)(link)
You keep saying that, but I see plenty of evidence that you *do* understand vids, even if you may not know the shows they're made from.

[identity profile] thefourthvine.livejournal.com 2006-06-19 11:24 pm (UTC)(link)
Ooo! Not only have I never seen Sail On, I've never seen a One Piece vid at all. Thank you!

(And the One Piece at Netflix only has three discs. Is it not the same One Piece (http://www.netflix.com/MovieDisplay?movieid=70042998&trkid=189530&strkid=9814717_0_0)?)

[identity profile] thefourthvine.livejournal.com 2006-06-19 11:30 pm (UTC)(link)
Miyazaki le YEY!

Very much so. Although I will admit to not much liking Princess Mononoke, which was the first anime I ever watched. I don't know if I'd feel different about it now, but I can't say I'm tempted to find out.

And indeed, anime vids are teh pretty, even when incomprehensibly so.

This is precisely my reasoning. When I'm trying to decide whether or not to download, I think, well, even if I can't understand it, I will still be able to appreciate it on a very shallow level.

There's also this vid, which is amazingly well done and hooked me on the awesome Hikaru no Go after an anime drought of five years.

Ooo. I loved that vid so much I convinced Best Beloved to watch the anime. It is lovely.

[identity profile] thefourthvine.livejournal.com 2006-06-19 11:30 pm (UTC)(link)
Thanks!

*downloads*

Re: Utena Movie, Adolescence

[identity profile] thefourthvine.livejournal.com 2006-06-19 11:34 pm (UTC)(link)
Thank you! I've added the link to the post. Utena was totally beyond my ability to explain, but I thought maybe trained professionals (or gifted amateurs) would have a shot.

I'm hoping I can get my various hardwares and softwares to behave for long enough to see the vid you rec, too. Because, Utena is major crack, even by anime standards.

I'm crossing my fingers for hardware and software obedience. Although, hmm. I think the flip side of Bachelorette being so incredibly accessible for newcomers is that it might actually not appeal too much to fans of the series; it's a very different kind of vid. But it is most definitely gorgeous, and for that reason alone I hope your computer cooperates.

*eyes your computer meaningfully*

[identity profile] thefourthvine.livejournal.com 2006-06-20 12:10 am (UTC)(link)
*dons beret of thinkiness*

But - okay. I'm not saying I don't understand them, precisely. (Okay. I say it. But it's a shorthand for the ludicrously long and boring thing I'm about to say.) I'm saying that I don't understand them correctly, if that makes sense. I mean, I watch vids with Best Beloved in part because I want someone there who interacts with visual media normally.

I think when I'm watching vids I get what I get how I get it because, hmmm. Okay, backing up for a second. I didn't understand a movie as an audio-visual storytelling device until I was ~17. Before then, I either listened to the dialog and made a story out of that (often amusingly and extensively different than the actual story, since I didn't even know the kinds of things that might happen in the long pauses where no one talked), or I watched the patterns and colors on the screen.

But in college, I realized that there was visual information on the screen that I could use, that you can figure out the movie by watching the direction. You can look at the lighting, the camera angles, the composition of the shot, the editing, the nine million choices made in every scene, and work back to the story from there. (Does that make sense at all?)

I'm much better at watching movies these days, but I still never know if, when I sit down to one, I'll be watching the story or watching the director.

And vids are kind of an extreme version of the same thing. It's - an overlay, I guess you could say; it's a third party's interpretation of the director's interpretation of the story. And in the case of live-action TV source, the vids are much easier to understand, because directors don't seem to take the same kind of care with each shot in TV as in movies, and there's a lot about TV I just. Cannot. Get. But vidders take care no matter what the source. (Or, well, when they don't, I can't get the vid. I don't download vids anymore if the creator says "made this today" or "made this in five hours," because I know that she probably didn't put in the kind of intense thought that will make the vid watchable for me.) So I learn the source by watching the vidder interact with it, and that is much, much easier than trying to master the source itself. (It's the same thing I do with TV fan fiction, in fact; I'd rather back engineer the canon from a hundred different stories than watch an episode, because the effort is so much greater in facing the source without someone else interpreting it for me.)

So, yeah, I'm getting something - a lot, actually - when I watch a vid, but. I don't think it's necessarily what the vidder expected me to get, and I know I'm very much not the audience the vidder imagined having. I'm not watching in the way the vidder would expect her audience to watch. Even when I get precisely the same thing as anyone else would, I get there in a different way. And experience suggests that other people will not watch it the way I do, get to the meaning how I get there.

So when I find a vid I want to rec, I have to work through another layer to figure out what someone else might see in the vid, what compelling reasons someone else might have for watching it. And that is very much a "the recommender has no clothes" situation. It's kind of scary, in the sense that I never know if I'm going to look like an absolute idiot (and I often have to interpolate or modify my comments so that they sound more, um, normal, I guess?); I'm definitely recommending way above my natural level. But I do it anyway, because it's such a lot of fun. There's nothing like writing up a rec to force me to make the final links in the cognition chain, and making that connection with something audio-visual is just - it's rare for me, and so I cherish it.

So, yes, I get a lot from vids. But, given the kind of things I get, that doesn't necessarily mean I should be pointing other people towards my favorite vids.

[identity profile] thefourthvine.livejournal.com 2006-06-20 12:28 am (UTC)(link)
SOMEONE IS TO BLAME.

I would be proud to be that person.

Let me know when you're out of stuff to download, as I have LOTS more prettiness to dangle in front of you.

But I find it hard to believe that anyone can hang around media fandom and NOT pick up that anime is not only the home of tentacles and wings, but of androgyny, genderbending, and slash that put even the fic for live-action fandoms to deep and utter shame.

My first reaction to this, sadly, was: I FORGOT TO TELL EVERYONE ABOUT THE TENTACLES.

I have an incurably low mind.

But, I don't know; a lot of people I've met in fandom who are strictly TV fans see anime as the province of, yes, insane crack and fantasies, but geared solely to boys. (Which a lot of them are. It's just that a lot of them are geared to us, too.) So, you know, I played it on the side of caution. When will I learn that fandom is not compatible with caution when played properly?

*repents*

And oh yeah, "You mean you wish you were a lesbian" got the first laugh, and it was loud.

Ohhhhh yeah. I LOVE that line, even though I loathe the subjunctive form of who. (Mostly because I think that it a) has a bad effect on readability and b) is often used as a big stick for intimidation purposes. I avoid it.)

We are happy to be grammar snobs, thankyouverymuch.

*points to icon*

*nods fervently*
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[identity profile] mosca.livejournal.com 2006-06-20 12:53 am (UTC)(link)
You worked at a video store that specialized in anime? I'm...impressed.

Yep. Just for a summer, when I was in college. It was called Anime Crash, and it was in the East Village in NYC, near NYU. Sadly, it went out of business circa 2002. It was a fun place to work. The highlight was getting a pass to see an advance screening of the English-dubbed theatrical release of Princess Mononoke.

But how is it that you didn't end up in a billion anime fandoms?

Because I enjoyed anime as a casual fan, but earning $8 an hour to ring up purchases for otaku was enough to convince me that my fannish fervor wasn't nearly strong enough. Being around all that enthusiasm day in and day out made me really tired of anime by the time that summer ended. Any remaining interest in it died off when I lived in Japan. There are still some movies and series that I really like (and I was familiar with the source material for almost everything you posted), but it's just not my kink. Sadly, because you're right, I would have made a great anime fan.

Hikaru!

[identity profile] raucousraven.livejournal.com 2006-06-20 05:46 am (UTC)(link)
OMG Hikaru no Go!!!!!

That anime absolutely rocks my world. Hard. I just can't get over how wonderful it really is. The manga is pretty amazing too; you think it's gonna be the most boring thing ever, and then you think the characters are great and the art is really solid, and then you realise you're so caught up in the story you're starting to learn Go just to follow along with the games.

Um, or maybe that's just me. Anyhow, I have a brief amalgamation of HnG resources at the bottom of this post (http://raucousraven.livejournal.com/37433.html). The picture posts alone have brightened many a gloomy day. *goes off rejoicing in the creation of more Sai, Hikaru and Akira (and Waya, Isumi, Touya Meijin and slimy Ogata)fans*

oh, and Vash!

[identity profile] raucousraven.livejournal.com 2006-06-20 06:12 am (UTC)(link)
Also, I have to admit that I really feel your Trigun-related pain. To this day I cannot watch all of That Episode in one go. *choked sob*

[identity profile] elishavah.livejournal.com 2006-06-20 03:48 pm (UTC)(link)
HA. My awareness of the tentacles (tentacle porn, more specifically)...I really don't know that I can pin down when that started. I suspect college was where I got the first half-joke, half-warning.

And I give. The white flag is a napkin, but it's waving. Toss me whatever you've got. To help you narrow things down a little, though, my opinions/impressions:

* Bachelorette -- oh yeah, the movement. I've watched a couple other Utena vids as well (don't remember the names), and they make me weep, for I have been spoiled by my first taste.

* Urban Ragnarok -- holy hell. The first time through was kind of, "whoa." The second, more sank in but my mouth was still hanging open. I refuse to admit how many times I've watched it now.

* Here Comes the Sun -- happyfuncomfortvid! I'm most familiar with the source here, so it really is a comfort vid, and the happyfun beauty of it is a bonus.

* Right Now... -- Heehee. Oh, even with only vaguely remembering the Van Halen video, and only vaguely recognizing most of the source, this made me so very happy.

* Die Another Day -- in contrast to the above, the text on the screen here was distracting instead of integral. But the vid did make me want to know more about the anime itself, because the story under all of that looked interesting.

* Failed Experiments... -- HA. On a gazillion levels. I've served as vidbeta enough now that the general meta made me snicker. I know enough about Cowboy Bebop that the "You... SUCK." made me cackle.

* Tainted Donuts -- cute, but not enough else to make me feel I had to hang onto it.

* Euphoria -- great visuals, impeccable timing, but...

* Waking Hour -- a whole 'nother level of gorgeous genius, and this is the one I'm saving, because oooooh.

* Alchemist's Job -- I am in an odd kind of love with this. On one hand, for the little horror story it tells all on its own, and on the other, I know just enough of the basics of what's up with Ed and Al to have that context.

* Fullmetal Distruction -- also good, and fascinating to see the message of the song played out in FMA terms. It didn't grab a hold of me in the same way as the other, but I am keeping it.

* Hold Me Now -- Broadway, Bollywood, you should be ashamed. You have been shown up by a cartoon.

...so, y'know, whenever you get the chance... ::points:: Stuff like that! I've always been a sucker for the vids that feel right, that feel like the images flow and dance with the music, whether I'm familiar with the source or not. And these are so pretty.

[identity profile] thefourthvine.livejournal.com 2006-06-21 08:40 pm (UTC)(link)
Eeep! Sorry this took me so long. Work has been very worky lately.

You and I seem to have similar tastes, right down to preferring Waking Hour to Euphoria and being blown away by Hold Me Now. So I will just rec you some other stuff I like.

Larger Than Life (http://www.animemusicvideos.org/members/members_videoinfo.php?v=34919). Cowboy Bebop. Extensive Ein (EIN IS LOVE) and Ed (the girl). Give this one until the first chorus before you judge it.

Phantom of the Opera (http://www.animemusicvideos.org/members/members_videoinfo.php?v=802). Memories. This is - okay, this is a fucking fabulous vid, and it would be no matter what the circumstances behind it. But then you learn that the vid was made in 1998, with VCRs and no digital editing, and your head explodes. BOOM!

Caffeine Encomium (http://www.animemusicvideos.org/members/members_videoinfo.php?v=803), Child's Toy. I - yeah. "Yay caffeine!" is pretty much the message here. Gorgeous editing, especially when you consider this vid was made in 2000 with minimal digital editing.

Waka Laka for Osaka, Azumanga Daioh. And we move back into the digital age in a big way with this ultra-shiny, ultra-bright vid. I will just share with you some quotes about this one:
"Pure sugary goodness." - IcyCloud
"If I was ever strung out on crack, I hope it would look like this." - Moonlight Soldier
You need this vid.

Jerk It Out (An Electric Love Story) (http://www.animemusicvideos.org/members/members_videoinfo.php?v=76423). FLCL. This is one of the few times I've read the creator's statement, because I wanted to know more. And I was so, so glad I did. This vidder is articulate in a way that only about 1% of vidders manage to be, and his vid is - well, as he says: "We've all heard the story a hundred times before; boy meets girl. Girl meets boy. Girl hits boy over the head with bass guitar. Boy's forehead sprouts horn that turns into extra-terrestrial robot. Even if you haven't seen the show, you can probably guess the rest by now, right?"

Beautiful Earth (http://www.animemusicvideos.org/members/members_videoinfo.php?v=50008). Earth Girl Arjuna. Boni explains this one so much better than I ever could here (http://community.livejournal.com/the_reel/27926.html). A gorgeous, gorgeous vid.

Anxiety (http://www.animemusicvideos.org/members/members_videoinfo.php?v=23739). Akira. This vid had two strikes against it with me: (1) it has an obvious lip sync right near the beginning, and I need to be into the vid before I can handle that, and (2) it uses source that is really far from my personal ideal. But god, that doesn't matter, because - the source is perfect for the song, and the mood is perfect, and oh my god some of the effects use here are JUST SO PERFECT.

Aim for Victory! (http://www.animemusicvideos.org/members/members_videoinfo.php?v=29391). Gunbuster (Aim for the Top). This is a very rare creature in the anime world: a completely instrumental vid that has a completely explicable plot, even for people who have never seen the anime. (For example, people such as me.) I wanted to rec it, actually, but the anime is older and so the art is kind of...cheesy. And, well, it's a hot girls and robots anime. But when I watch it, that never matters to me after the first 30 seconds.

Love Is a Battlefield (http://www.animemusicvideos.org/members/members_videoinfo.php?v=39503). Gundam Wing. As long as I'm reveling in robot cheese, we might as well go the whole way; this is pure robot cheese. The song exactly matches the '80s styles, the '90s anime, and the narrative, and I just - I have love for this.

Need for Speed (http://www.animemusicvideos.org/members/members_videoinfo.php?v=20674). Macross. Uh, if you haven't seen promos for Top Gun (or the movie itself), this won't work for you. On the other hand, if you have, well...this never fails to make me giggle.

Oh my god. I just snapped the comment limit. Must stop. (But I still have LOTS more. If you want them.)
(http://www.animemusicvideos.org/members/members_videoinfo.php?v=74060)
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[identity profile] elishavah.livejournal.com 2006-06-22 04:05 am (UTC)(link)
Oooh, thank you! I've only watched the first three so far, but "Yay caffeine!" is right. Now I really want a big red mallet. Also, wow, that Phantom one is a VCR vid? I sincerely think you had to have fallen on your head, many many times, to put yourself through VCR vidding, but whatever turns out vids like that...

I suspect I'll be back when I make it though the rest. (I also suspect this is karma taking a bite on behalf of all the people I've sucked into Supernatural.)

[identity profile] thefourthvine.livejournal.com 2006-06-22 06:27 am (UTC)(link)
I know. Reading that Phantom of the Opera was made on (or with, or whatever it is that they did) a VCR pretty much floored me; I loved it before I knew that, but knowing that? Yow.

I also suspect this is karma taking a bite on behalf of all the people I've sucked into Supernatural.

*mocks you openly*

No, no. It would only be appropriate fannish karma if you started watching an anime series and reading FF for it and maybe writing it. All you're doing right now is watching the pimp kits, essentially - and, see, I love them, too, but I don't pretend that falling under their sway will balance the handful of people I sucked into SGA.

We can only pay for dragging people down with us by being dragged down in turn. This is why the fearsome pimps among us tend to be so multi-fandom. (And the ones that aren't, I have to assume, will pay dearly in their next lives.)

*face of Incredible Wisdom*

(And thank you so much, by the way, for reporting back to me about what you thought. That's not common when I'm recommending vids. And anime vids? Seriously, I didn't think anyone would watch them, let alone say what she thought.)

[identity profile] elishavah.livejournal.com 2006-06-23 12:50 am (UTC)(link)
We can only pay for dragging people down with us by being dragged down in turn. This is why the fearsome pimps among us tend to be so multi-fandom. (And the ones that aren't, I have to assume, will pay dearly in their next lives.)

::snerk:: The circle of life, huh? In the meantime, no problem on the reporting back. I have to squee to someone. *g*

Speaking of,

* Osaka waka laka thingy whoa. Now I understand why people warn against seizures. Flashy!

* I really need to watch Jerk It Out again, because there is so much going on in there, but hee. Poor guy.

* Beautiful Earth was gorgeous. And I'm surprised at how much I got out of it the first time through, before reading Boni's write up.

* Anxiety, yeah, a little freakier source than I was expecting (crazy mutant, I gather?), but just amazing to watch. Were the comic book frames from the show, or effects? Either way, neat.

Which brings me to --

* Love Is A Battlefield! The robots! The foofy hair! The big earrings! Oh, this is all my childhood tv memories all squished together into a BIG BALL OF LOVE. This vid wins at everything.

* You totally should have recced Aim for Victory! I did victory arms at the end! \o/ (Oh dear. Just read Ian's notes. No wonder. It's music from the guy who did the Rocky and Transformers movies. ::facepalm:: I was doomed. Unfair!)

* Need for Speed...oh, hell. I had to stop it one minute in, because I was laughing too hard to SEE. And okay, the rest, HA. This is the best and most justified use of lipsynch since IWIWAL.

Seriously, note for the future -- don't show a child of the '80s those last three vids one after the other, unless you want her dead.
zoerayne: (bondage)

[personal profile] zoerayne 2006-06-23 04:26 am (UTC)(link)
Would there be porn in this support group? Because if so, I am most definitely all for it.

Well, I'm not joining any support group where there isn't porn, so....

[identity profile] olivia-wood.livejournal.com 2006-06-23 01:17 pm (UTC)(link)
I have a weakness for pairings in which one person tries to kill the other but they love each other anyway. I'm sorry. I have no idea what twisted part of my psyche believes that true love means having to wear Kevlar. But I do know that this vid hits that kink in spades; sure, mostly they're fighting on the same side, but that opening scene where they're pointing guns at each other? My reaction to this is: OMG SQUEEEEEEEE THEY ARE SO IN LOVE! In other words, my inner fangirl totally emerges and starts drawing little hearts on the screen.

Have you ever come across Les Ombres Rebelles ( http://www.fanfiction.net/s/2608857/2/ ) by danse? It's a Gundam Wing schoolfic AU - which should make it nowhere near as good as it is - and it's a fairly slow-moving WiP, but *dammned* if it isn't the romanticest Heero/Duo fic I've ever come across!

And you can't even say any of it is out of character, what with all the violence/sexual tension in canon. *happy sigh* Anime is truly great.

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