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thefourthvine) wrote2006-12-21 05:13 pm
thefourthvine) wrote2006-12-21 05:13 pm
Random Blithering and a Poll on Prompts
Obviously, I am obsessing about Yuletide just a bit - it's nearly time! Yay! And since I can't get my act together and actually post recommendations, I thought I'd post a summary of Things I've Learned About Prompts.
See, I suck at giving prompts. Most of the year, this is a minor thing, barely noticeable except to the people who issue "come one, come all" prompt requests when I am tired and weak of will. And even then, those people can ignore those prompts. (Or sometimes they step up to the plate nobly. My hat is off to you few, you proud, you band of - well, crazed writing women.)
At Yuletide, though, my little issue becomes more of a problem. Because - okay, let's consider one of the prompts I gave for my first year of Yuletide. (This is the one my writer,![[livejournal.com profile]](https://www.dreamwidth.org/img/external/lj-userinfo.gif)
m_butterfly, actually wrote, but they were all the same. That's yet another sign of my Prompt Dysfunction, I now realize - if you can say the same thing for four extremely disparate fandoms and characters, it probably isn't a really good prompt):
Nero Wolfe (Archie Goodwin/Saul Panzer)
Details: Would prefer slash.
Yup. And I thought I was doing well. I thought to myself, "I am giving carte blanche! My writer will not be constrained! She will be unfettered and free!"
And then I got my own assignment and I realized that carte blanche (which my recipient did not give me, thank god) would kind of suck. I would really, really prefer to have some fetters. Having a prompt and not having a prompt was, for me, the difference between staring at a blank screen and having a few sentences already written; sure, I might not keep those sentences, but still. They were a start. They gave me something to build on.
So I realized - constraints (note: I did not say restraints, though I totally support those, too) can be nice. (They also help you diagnose cases of Terminal Bad Fit; for Yuletide, TBF doesn't necessarily spell disaster or require defaulting, by the way, but it is good to know about it as early as possible, because that gives you time to line up the right Yuletide Support Team to correct your deficiencies. Like, when my recipient requested hot het porn during my second year of Yuletide? I knew that I needed expert porn betas, because I suck at porn. And not the good kind of suck, either. Fortunately, I found some highly talented ones who, among many other services, kept me from losing John Smith's cock and pointed out that at some point in the proceedings Jane Smith would probably be more comfortable with her pants off. And I also got a whole team of people who united to reassure me ("Really not that bad! STEP AWAY FROM THE LIGHT! You can do this!") when I decided that the porn I had written was the antithesis of hot, the absolute zero type of porn that turns everyone who touches it frigid.)
My second year, I think I hit the right note with my details, although you'd have to ask3pipeproblem about that. I provided her with a useful place to start (after the end of the canon, as it happens) and some suggestions about what I might like to see. I think, of all my Yuletides, that was my best year in terms of prompt-giving.
This year, I veered waaaaaay over into the other side, where the crazies live. (I knew I was doing it at the time, but I just could not shut up, even though I was embarrassing myself. We've all been there, sure, but usually it involves intoxicants, not challenge sign-up forms.) Next year, I am seriously considering enlisting a Request Beta to determine if I am writing the kinds of prompts that make writers cry or not. I have come to realize that there is no shame in having a Prompt Dysfunction and that it's okay to ask for extra help.
Better than terrifying whoever gets assigned to me.
But this year, in addition to learning I have the crazy ever lurking inside me, ready to punch up into the light at the first sign of a prompt entry, I also learned something new about how prompts are used. See, my request went to pinch hit this year - lucky #13! - and I picked up a pinch hit this year, and I learned that prompts serve a different purpose on the pinch hit list. (I also learn that if you write a prompt that SHAMES YOU because you are crazed, you should be aware that you will be shamed before the whole Yuletide community, not just one person, what with potential pinch-hitting and NYR.) When your request goes to the pinch hit list, several hundred people are scanning your details and thinking, "Could I write that?" A prompt is key in that situation, because - okay, maybe you spelled it out more in your Santa letter, maybe it would be obvious from reading your journal what you wanted, but if your request looks like this (based on one of my own requests from this year, although with my crazy prompt redacted):
RPF - Charles Baudelaire
Details: None
That is all the pinch hitters will see. That's all they have to base their decision on. They have no idea who you are or what else you might want. So the only person who is going to respond to that prompt is one who is dying to write a Baudelaire story. (Or, you know, a crazy person, which fortunately 65% of pinch-hitters are. The good kind of crazy, though, I assure you. Salt-of-the-earth crazy. At least, I hope so, since I am one.)
So, these are my new notes-to-me, ones I hope will help me address my Prompt Dysfunction next year in a way that does not Ruin Yuletide. I want to remember:
[Poll #893455]
See, I suck at giving prompts. Most of the year, this is a minor thing, barely noticeable except to the people who issue "come one, come all" prompt requests when I am tired and weak of will. And even then, those people can ignore those prompts. (Or sometimes they step up to the plate nobly. My hat is off to you few, you proud, you band of - well, crazed writing women.)
At Yuletide, though, my little issue becomes more of a problem. Because - okay, let's consider one of the prompts I gave for my first year of Yuletide. (This is the one my writer,
m_butterfly, actually wrote, but they were all the same. That's yet another sign of my Prompt Dysfunction, I now realize - if you can say the same thing for four extremely disparate fandoms and characters, it probably isn't a really good prompt):Nero Wolfe (Archie Goodwin/Saul Panzer)
Details: Would prefer slash.
Yup. And I thought I was doing well. I thought to myself, "I am giving carte blanche! My writer will not be constrained! She will be unfettered and free!"
And then I got my own assignment and I realized that carte blanche (which my recipient did not give me, thank god) would kind of suck. I would really, really prefer to have some fetters. Having a prompt and not having a prompt was, for me, the difference between staring at a blank screen and having a few sentences already written; sure, I might not keep those sentences, but still. They were a start. They gave me something to build on.
So I realized - constraints (note: I did not say restraints, though I totally support those, too) can be nice. (They also help you diagnose cases of Terminal Bad Fit; for Yuletide, TBF doesn't necessarily spell disaster or require defaulting, by the way, but it is good to know about it as early as possible, because that gives you time to line up the right Yuletide Support Team to correct your deficiencies. Like, when my recipient requested hot het porn during my second year of Yuletide? I knew that I needed expert porn betas, because I suck at porn. And not the good kind of suck, either. Fortunately, I found some highly talented ones who, among many other services, kept me from losing John Smith's cock and pointed out that at some point in the proceedings Jane Smith would probably be more comfortable with her pants off. And I also got a whole team of people who united to reassure me ("Really not that bad! STEP AWAY FROM THE LIGHT! You can do this!") when I decided that the porn I had written was the antithesis of hot, the absolute zero type of porn that turns everyone who touches it frigid.)
My second year, I think I hit the right note with my details, although you'd have to ask
3pipeproblem about that. I provided her with a useful place to start (after the end of the canon, as it happens) and some suggestions about what I might like to see. I think, of all my Yuletides, that was my best year in terms of prompt-giving.This year, I veered waaaaaay over into the other side, where the crazies live. (I knew I was doing it at the time, but I just could not shut up, even though I was embarrassing myself. We've all been there, sure, but usually it involves intoxicants, not challenge sign-up forms.) Next year, I am seriously considering enlisting a Request Beta to determine if I am writing the kinds of prompts that make writers cry or not. I have come to realize that there is no shame in having a Prompt Dysfunction and that it's okay to ask for extra help.
Better than terrifying whoever gets assigned to me.
But this year, in addition to learning I have the crazy ever lurking inside me, ready to punch up into the light at the first sign of a prompt entry, I also learned something new about how prompts are used. See, my request went to pinch hit this year - lucky #13! - and I picked up a pinch hit this year, and I learned that prompts serve a different purpose on the pinch hit list. (I also learn that if you write a prompt that SHAMES YOU because you are crazed, you should be aware that you will be shamed before the whole Yuletide community, not just one person, what with potential pinch-hitting and NYR.) When your request goes to the pinch hit list, several hundred people are scanning your details and thinking, "Could I write that?" A prompt is key in that situation, because - okay, maybe you spelled it out more in your Santa letter, maybe it would be obvious from reading your journal what you wanted, but if your request looks like this (based on one of my own requests from this year, although with my crazy prompt redacted):
RPF - Charles Baudelaire
Details: None
That is all the pinch hitters will see. That's all they have to base their decision on. They have no idea who you are or what else you might want. So the only person who is going to respond to that prompt is one who is dying to write a Baudelaire story. (Or, you know, a crazy person, which fortunately 65% of pinch-hitters are. The good kind of crazy, though, I assure you. Salt-of-the-earth crazy. At least, I hope so, since I am one.)
So, these are my new notes-to-me, ones I hope will help me address my Prompt Dysfunction next year in a way that does not Ruin Yuletide. I want to remember:
- A prompt is good. And it should go in the details section; the Santa letter is for expanding on things I generally like and for thanking the Santa. It is not for attempting to explain my details. (If the details need a whole letter of explanation, the details are broken. Yes, this does apply to me, and I'm so, so sorry to the two writers who got saddled with those prompts this year. And my Yule hat is totally off to the person who saw those prompts and picked my pinch hit up anyway; you are MADE OF AWESOME, pinch-hitting Santa!)
- An out is also good. In future, I will try to remember to steal m_butterfly's strategy, which is to provide a prompt and a secondary prompt. So I will write, for example: "A crazy space adventure with lots of sex would be wonderful! Or anything with really screwed-up robots!" (I'm still undecided about exclamation points in prompts. Do they add a fun, devil-may-care tone? Or is it more of a crazed, stressed, likely-to-snap tone? Something to ponder in the year ahead.)
- Characters can go in the details section. This isn't precisely optimal, but sometimes it's unavoidable. (See here for lots of examples of how character selection can get complicated.) So I can pick characters A and B in the selection part, then say, "Gen is always great - any characters you choose from the whole canon, not just limited to the two listed here. Or, if you go the pairing route, some A/B sexin' will be most welcome."
[Poll #893455]
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When it comes to Yuletide: LEAVE A PROMPT. I can't believe how many pinch-hits came across with absolutely no prompt, or just a pairing. That's really not good enough. Letters to Santa are to *expand* on your prompts, not to replace them entirely, for just the reason you mentioned-- sometimes prompts end up with pinch-hitters, and they can't see your Letter to Santa right away (and they might not end up reading it at all, if you don't tag/memory it in a really obvious way.)
In a smaller challenge, like JBBS or DWNOGA or 3Ships, it's likely that your author will probably at least know who you are, or maybe know some of your friends, and it's easier for them to figure out what you're into. They may even have read fic you've written in the fandom, so again, they can figure out what you like about the characters and what you like to see in fic. In Yuletide, it's likely that your prompts are going to go to a complete stranger, and they may not know anything about you, your tastes in fic, or why you like that particular fandom. You really have to give them something to work with.
When it comes to Yuletide, I like to hear more about what my recipient likes about her requested fandoms, as opposed to more about what specific kind of story she'd like to recieve. Even if they all ask for the same pairing, someone who tells me "I like Harry Potter because of those edgy, dark, awesome Slytherins" is going to get a totally different story than someone who says "I like Harry Potter because it's so melancholy, and good people make mistakes with terrible consequences," and *that* person is going to get a totally different story from someone who says "I like English boarding school hijinks and silly wizard puns and funny magical creatures and loyal BFFs." None of those prompts ask for a specific plotline, but they do give a very clear idea of what *kind* of story the person would prefer. And then if they wanted to throw in, in *addition* to that, a few "Maybe such-and-such could happen to Ron" ideas, that's great too.
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Something I should obviously have done, but did not realize until I saw
Assuming I can remember this resolution that long, of course.
In Yuletide, it's likely that your prompts are going to go to a complete stranger, and they may not know anything about you, your tastes in fic, or why you like that particular fandom.
Yup. Even after they find your LJ and your website, they still may not learn much. One of my authors pointed out to me that my interests are too vague to be useful, my recommendations and rants don't contain a lot of "I loved this because I love orgasm denial SO MUCH" or "I hated this because IT ENDS UNHAPPILY and THAT'S NOT RIGHT." I mean, that's more useful for the average recommendation reader, I think, but it doesn't leave a lot of ways for my Yuletide writer to learn about me.
And you're absolutely right: in Yuletide, as in almost no other exchange, you have to assume your writer knows nothing about you, because the fandom you have in common only exists in the minds of the two of you (plus maybe a few dozen other people). So it's not like you're spending all your time hanging out in the same communities and reading each other's stories, and that means your writer is starting from the big ol' blank slate. Hence the Dear Santa letter, which I think I will use in the future as a means of providing helpful resources (hey, she may love Age of Sail, too, but that doesn't mean she frequents the same places I do - and if I already have the link to the online text of the source, why not share?), explaining my love for the fandoms and the things I love best in general, and explaining my love for HER. And maybe I will also point to someone who knows a lot about me and can keep secrets. (From me, I mean. In case of further questions.)
When it comes to Yuletide, I like to hear more about what my recipient likes about her requested fandoms, as opposed to more about what specific kind of story she'd like to recieve.
This is an excellent idea. I managed that in my Santa letter last year (but, alas, not this one, I don't think) - in the future, as I said above, it is so going into my Santa letters.
*makes mental note*
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Damn. Oh well, like you said--next year. I even had a perfect opportunity to do that link; I mentioned getting pinched in a post. On the bright side, I did check to make sure my Dear Santa was still on the first page. (My lack of posting much has some benefits.)