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Keep Hoping Machine Running ([personal profile] thefourthvine) wrote2023-05-27 04:51 pm

A Tabula Rasa Meets Buffy the Vampire Slayer

Recently, the earthling’s gaming group got invited to a game using a system called Monster of the Week. He accepted because he loves tabletop RPGs, but there was a tiny problem: he didn’t know what a monster of the week was. He has no memory of watching a show like that, because the last one he saw was Doctor Who when he was like six. (Recent earthling faves: Dimension 20, The Good Place, Are You Being Served? These are not exactly monster of the week shows, unless capitalism, moral philosophy, and customers can be considered monsters. And having typed that out, I realize there’s an argument to be made there. But they aren’t classic monsters, anyway.)

The description of Monster of the Week, demonstrating how au courant the game designers are, namechecks Supernatural, X-Files, and Buffy the Vampire Slayer, all shows that, to the earthling’s gaming group, exist in distant prehistory with the dinosaurs and the Hittites and poodle skirts.

Our parental duty was clear: we had to educate this child. And that is why we sat down with some DVDs to show Buffy to someone who was born well after the last episode of Angel aired, someone who knows nothing about its history or fandom, someone who has never watched a TV show that didn’t autoplay the next episode three seconds into the closing credits. I was not a tabula rasa when I first watched Buffy, and neither was Best Beloved. We had no idea what to expect.



We started with “Hush,” because a) great episode b) you don’t need much background to understand it and c) GREAT episode. “Hush” became the episode so nice we watched it twice. The earthling’s opinion: “The stuff with Buffy and Riley is boring, but the Gentlemen are great. S-tier bad guys. I wonder if I could redo my Monster of the Week character to be a Gentleman?” (Does this make me wonder what the heck they’re doing in MotW? Yes, but I will leave that to that game’s DM because sometimes it’s better not to know.)

But he wanted more. We continued to cherry pick classic episodes -- “The Wish,” “Doppelgangland,” “Band Candy.” We waited patiently for him to get bored with this hokey show that was forcing him to learn about historical concepts like “midseason replacements” and, in fact, the entire idea of TV seasons that are linked to times of the year and the week. The earthling continued to choose Buffy over all other options when it was TV watching time.

After “Band Candy,” it seemed only reasonable to show him “Halloween.” As he waited through the FBI warning, something he does not typically experience before shows, he said thoughtfully, “Is Halloween in Sunnydale like the Christmas Truce in WWI? Do the vampires all stay home? No killing on Halloween?”

And it was at that point I realized where we were. The earthling had switched modes. He was not just watching TV. He was absorbing it. He was thinking about the show when it wasn’t on. He was analyzing the tiny scraps of lore he had from this out of order trawl through the highlights and he was trying to construct a narrative and rules and make sense of it all. He was developing ideas about what he wanted to happen.

He was becoming ... fannish. About Buffy. In 2023.

Best Beloved and I decided we’d need to go back in time. Since we were watching “Halloween” at that point, we went back to the episode that explained who the hell Ethan Rayne and Ripper were, “The Dark Age.” We’ve been marching forward ever since, watching episodes we barely remember and even episodes we’d love to forget. We just finished “Helpless,” and I think it’s time to jot down some notes on this whole Buffy-earthling situation.

The earthling’s overall summary of Buffy at this point: “It’s a good show. I like the worldbuilding, even though it seems like a lot of it was just kind of made up in the moment, but that’s kind of good, because you can do stuff with the holes in worldbuilding. I like how it’s integrated with the real world. Kind of the real world, anyway.” (Me to myself, in my own head: His obsessive love of Neverwhere should probably have prepared you for this burgeoning love of urban fantasy.) “It’s -- I don’t want to say of its time, because I don’t think that time was like that, either. How can it be in Southern California and have all these white people and be so separate from everywhere else? But it’s definitely not the world we live in anymore. It’s interesting, though. And I like the writing. The dialogue is really good a lot of the time.”

He also said, “It seems like they -- recycle stuff. Like they just keep redoing the same thing over and over. The world is always about to end, there’s always something making it hard for Buffy to do her job, someone is always having romantic trouble.” So that’s a big mission success on explaining monster of the week shows, anyway!

He pretty much hates all the romance except Willow/Tara, which so far he’s only encountered in “Hush.” At one point, after an extended Angel/Buffy scene that bored the shit out of him, he said, “If Willow and Tara don’t get AT LEAST this much kissing time, I am going to be really mad.”

This forced a quick digression on the History of Queerness on TV. (Okay, it wasn’t quick.) He was, as he himself predicted, mad. (“I don’t care if it was a step forward for the time period. The world shouldn’t be like that!”)

Specifically, he hates Buffy/Angel, partly because he doesn’t like Angel very much. His description of Angel: “He’s boring and he’s always depressed. He never does anything. There you go.” He does like Angelus, though: “He’s having fun and doing stuff. I like that.”

(I would have pointed out to him that doing nothing is significantly better than doing evil, but, well, I try to steer clear of hypocrisy in parenting, and I enjoy the heck out of Angelus, too.)

But he also doesn’t like Buffy/Angel because, in his own words:
  • “He’s too old for her!”
  • “They’re supposed to be enemies!”
  • “I get that it’s all tragic and stuff but it’s just not very interesting. Sometimes you have to get over yourself.”
I tried explaining to him the conundrum of Buffy’s romantic life -- who is she supposed to date? High school guys don’t understand anything about her life and they feel threatened by her. He was not interested. “High school guys would be better than vampires, if she has to date someone. She’s got to stop dating vampires.”

At this point, I warned him that she also dates Spike, and he said, “Well, that’s a waste of a good character.” (Good work alienating fans of two of the main ships, earthling!)

He loves Willow, Oz, and Giles, plus, on the bad side, Angelus, the Mayor, Ethan Rayne, the Gentlemen, and Spike. He also likes vampire Willow and vampire Xander. “Why don’t we ever get to see Giles as a vampire?” he asked me once.

“Because the world would end,” I told him.

“You know that just makes me want to see it more,” he said.

He’s kind of okay with Willow/Oz, because that ship involves two of his favorite characters, but mostly he’s patiently waiting for Willow/Tara to arrive. (Are we going to continue past season four? Uhhhhhh well we’ve never done that before, so: I hope not. For one thing, the way Willow/Tara turns out is not going to make him happy. Also, this is already more Buffy than I’ve ever seen. If we don't stop soon, I'm going to end up writing fic for it.)

Probably the most surprising thing to me so far is that his favorite episodes are largely the major plot arc ones. He loved “Passion” and “Innocence” and “Becoming” (both parts), all episodes BB and I kind of winced our way through. He likes the big dramas more than the self-contained comedies, which I guess is developmentally on target. (It is really weird, let me note, watching this show with a kid who is almost 15. Specifically, it’s weird to remember that the characters are supposed to be -- well, roughly his age.)

I’m waiting to see how he takes the Faith arc that is coming up. He’s got no spoilers at all for it.

And that’s the weirdest thing about this. I can’t predict how he’ll react, because the stuff I remember as being a big deal often isn’t to him. Like, I remember hearts and friendships breaking over Xander’s Lie. His reaction to it? Balanced and measured and understated. It’s like watching Buffy in a world where no one else is. Because, I suppose, that’s what we’re actually doing.

Anyway. If anyone wants to join us, we’re watching “Bad Girls” next. Wish us luck!
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[personal profile] jadelennox 2023-05-28 04:20 am (UTC)(link)

This is fascinating. Like, it's very similar to how we all watched Buffy, except for these huge things: MOTWs being new! This totally clean queerness, which was such a relief not to be queerbaiting at the time, being seen in this historical light!

He totes right about Angel though. And Spike.

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[personal profile] snickfic 2023-05-28 04:20 am (UTC)(link)
As someone who got into fandom via Buffy (five years after the finale, honestly the perfect time to be into Buffy), I am delighted by this whole post and would love to hear how things go from here. I feel like Buffy is one of those shows where the fans always love watching people watch it for the first time.
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[personal profile] tielan 2023-05-28 04:28 am (UTC)(link)
It's always interesting watching other people - "the young 'uns" watching Buffy or a similar show for the first time - although Buffy in particular because it's just such a movement, really...
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[personal profile] kathmandu 2023-05-28 05:01 am (UTC)(link)
I read a tie-in novelette once, where Giles *had* been turned into a vampire.

He kept his academic-trained mind. He arranged for Buffy to be captured and held in an in-escapable stone cell, with food and water etc. provided, without trying to harm her, on purpose because killing her would have just activated a new Slayer and this way he had the only Slayer in the world safely neutralized.

And outside that cell, the vampires ruled all of Sunnydale.

It was deeply scary to see what an organized evil mind could do.
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[personal profile] runpunkrun 2023-05-28 05:29 am (UTC)(link)

This is FASCINATING.

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[personal profile] copracat 2023-05-28 05:30 am (UTC)(link)
Wow.

It’s like watching Buffy in a world where no one else is. Because, I suppose, that’s what we’re actually doing.

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[personal profile] longwhitecoats 2023-05-28 06:00 am (UTC)(link)
I extremely love this and share many (but not all) of Earthling's opinions, maybe because I also came late to the show and thus watched it partly in a void. Or maybe because Angel is just incredibly boring and Willow & Tara SHOULD get more kissing time, idk.

I've seen all of BTVS & though I don't have an encyclopedic memory, I can try to provide content notes for seasons 4-7 if you ever want them!
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[personal profile] minim_calibre 2023-05-28 06:05 am (UTC)(link)
A: how is he old enough for...I don't know, any of this? (I say, mine, pictured here in my icon, having just turned 18 last month, LALALALALALA.)

B: OMG, this is hilarious and precious and fantastic! I'm fascinated by the lack of impact of Xander's Lie, given that I'm almost 49 and still get worked up about it.

(I haven't tried showing L BtVS yet. My child's current primary fandom appears to be Buzzfeed Unsolved/Watcher while we wait for S3 of Only Murders in the Building. Where I lived through the era of being shown much Martin Short fan art. Some of it very good, but...it's Martin Short fan art. Maybe I'll start braving Buffy.)

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[personal profile] sasha_feather 2023-05-28 06:21 am (UTC)(link)
This sounds so fun. :)
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[personal profile] torch 2023-05-28 07:17 am (UTC)(link)
Apocalypse of the week! Go for the drama, earthling.
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[personal profile] ngaio 2023-05-28 08:05 am (UTC)(link)
Loving this, Sprog has only ever seen Once More With Feeling (aka the musical episode) and has never really wanted to see more, but is more familiar with Monster of the Week type TV as he has seen almost all of the modern Doctor Who.

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[personal profile] vass 2023-05-28 10:07 am (UTC)(link)
Supernatural, X-Files, and Buffy the Vampire Slayer, all shows that, to the earthling’s gaming group, exist in distant prehistory with the dinosaurs and the Hittites and poodle skirts.

I very much appreciate this mental image of Hittite dinosaurs in poodle skirts watching SPN, XF, and BTVS.

“High school guys would be better than vampires, if she has to date someone. She’s got to stop dating vampires.”

He's not wrong, especially about "if she has to date someone."

Good luck for 'Bad Girls'. Given his Buffy/Angel and Willow/Tara opinions, maybe he'll be Team Faith.

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[personal profile] princessofgeeks 2023-05-28 12:41 pm (UTC)(link)
This is so fascinating; thank you for writing it up! And it's so lovely that you all have fun together like this and communicate.
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[personal profile] out_there 2023-05-28 01:10 pm (UTC)(link)
That's so delightful that he's enjoying it, and I kind of love that willow/Tara is his favourite pairing. They were my faves too but I'm also very fond of Buffy/Angel and willow/Oz. I think it's just fascinating to see someone watch it who doesn't instinctively know the tv tropes of the time (like year round episodes and timing of shows) and has vastly different expectations for queer storylines -- and possibly for female led action shows. That was a huge thing at the time but it's hard to remember how surprising it was for a genre/action show to be so popular with a female lead because it's common now.

As for Xanders Lie, I remember forgiving Cancer for it but also being terribly justified that it got thrown around in s7. For any flaws it might have had, I still think BtVS had great character continuity. It knew it's characters and it let them grow.

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[personal profile] tadorna 2023-05-28 01:53 pm (UTC)(link)
Oh, I love this, and now I really want to do a Buffy rewatch...
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[personal profile] musesfool 2023-05-28 01:58 pm (UTC)(link)
Ah, this is so great!

“High school guys would be better than vampires, if she has to date someone. She’s got to stop dating vampires.”

He's not wrong! I always hoped she'd end up dating Faith tbh.

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[personal profile] altamira16 2023-05-28 02:04 pm (UTC)(link)
This led to some good discussions with my own son about "monster of the week." He also asked, "What is a mid-season replacement?" And we had to explain that too.
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[personal profile] minnaway 2023-05-28 03:27 pm (UTC)(link)
This is delightful!
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[personal profile] forestsofpine 2023-05-28 04:16 pm (UTC)(link)
Earthling's opinions were such a delight to read, and as someone who also came to the show somewhat late and watched it without much influence from other fans, they echo a lot of mine. I'd love to hear his thoughts about Faith and the Mayor in season three- the Mayor is probably my favorite Big Bad, although Angelus was a close second. 100% agreed with Earthling on that count - Angelus is far more fun than Angel! I did end up a Spuffy shipper, though. The first episode I ever saw was Something Blue, and I'm a sucker for a bickering couple. 😅
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[personal profile] likeaduck 2023-05-28 05:03 pm (UTC)(link)
Ahhh it's so charming to hear an Earthling update! Oof, why don't we see Giles as a vampire ever?

Are you familiar at all with the Buffering the Vampire Slayer podcast? You're only a little late for Buffy renaissances being really trendy! *g*
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[personal profile] cathexys 2023-05-28 07:50 pm (UTC)(link)
OMG, this is great!!!!

I shared Buffy and SPN with my older son (younger isn't a fan or gamer, so never any interest) when he was younger and wasn't as able to contextualize it, but it is kinda wonderful when the kids have the ability to be conversant with stuff from different time periods (and can see then as fucked up but also of or even ahead of their time). We did it with 40s-80s films as well, and I'm not sure if I recall things faultily or if it's a function of specific circumstances, but I was much more familiar with 50s-70s popular culture and media in my teen and early adulthood than I see now in my students.....

I love the commentary on repetition (with a high stakes difference, however). I still regularly cite Buffy's "What even is the plural of apocalypse" when I want to complain about that.

SPN was probably the worst offender! As was Loki. (And I adored Hawkeye for the very reason that it brought the stakes back down without making it less urgent and crucial for our heroes).

Thanks for sharing this experience!!!!
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[personal profile] musesfool 2023-05-29 06:54 pm (UTC)(link)
I'm not sure if I recall things faultily or if it's a function of specific circumstances, but I was much more familiar with 50s-70s popular culture and media in my teen and early adulthood than I see now in my students.....

I don't know about you, but we didn't have cable until 1991 (I was 21) so all we had were the big three networks, plus local channels (5, 9, 11) and PBS. We didn't have as much choice, so we watched Brady Bunch and I Love Lucy and Partridge Family and Mary Tyler Moore and Bewitched because they were what was on in the afternoons that wasn't soap operas. *hands* There's so much more choice now and so much more produced for kids of every age group than there was in the 70s and 80s.
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[personal profile] marginaliana 2023-05-28 08:58 pm (UTC)(link)
I had no idea that MOTW was a gone trope (narrative television these days is not for me) and it's fascinating to hear about Earthling's reactions. Also, "Sometimes you have to get over yourself." - SO TRUE. And "She’s got to stop dating vampires." I feel like he could have an advice column.
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[personal profile] china_shop 2023-05-28 09:41 pm (UTC)(link)
Haha, this is awesome! I avidly look forward to you reporting back after the Faith arc, if you do get the chance. :D
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[personal profile] westiec 2023-05-28 11:26 pm (UTC)(link)
This is delightful, thank you so much for sharing! Wholeheartedly with the earthling on Angel/Buffy, I gotta say. XD
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[personal profile] batrachian 2023-05-29 07:51 am (UTC)(link)
This is both absolutely great to see (I also came to Buffy well after it ended) and also how is he fourteen.

I roll to disbelieve.

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