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Rant: The Vid Bitch Cometh

I've been many things in my time: a fan fic bitch, a word bitch, an obsessive bitch. And now, having been converted to the wonderful world of fan vids, I'm preparing to be a vid bitch. (No, actually, I don't think I ever am something other than a bitch of some sort. It's a gift. Of a kind.)

But first let me explain how I, the Least Visual Person Who Still Has the Use of Both Her Eyes, got into vids. No, no. Let me start by casting blame, pointing fingers, and naming names, because that's just way more fun than rational explanations. So. It was

lierdumoa's fault, and then it was

gwyn_r's fault. And then Laura Shapiro batted cleanup, and I was - you know, that analogy isn't going anywhere good, so I'll just say I blame them all equally, and if I wasn't so desperately hoping they'd make more vids, I'd, you know, put out a contract on their internet connections or something.

And now let me explain my Principles of Vidding from the Perspective of Someone Who Doesn't Vid and Never Will. (You may be wondering why you should listen to me if I'm a novice watcher and a never vidder. Well, one line of thought would suggest that you shouldn't, and that's the one I'd go with. Really, do you think I'd write stuff like this if I listened to what I was saying? On the other hand, it's an opportunity to look into the mind of your average viewer, so you could view this as free but irritating market research, here.)

Show Me. If we can't see your vid, it doesn't matter how good it is. So, first, try to make it available in a couple of formats, please, because we don't all have every single program and codec out there, and Mutant Software Interactions can happen to the best of us. And try to make your vid watchable – not so dark that vampire dogs can't see it, for example, and not so pixilated that Tron begins looking frighteningly high-tech in comparison. If you have to choose between file size and vid clarity, go for the latter; these are the days of relatively roomy hard drives, and if we don't have space we can delete or store or whatever.
Be Yourself (But Be Original), Part 1. If you don't have something original to say, shut down your computer and think about it for a while. In other words, folks, as much delightful fun as it is to see your favorite clips from a given movie or show, well, we have the DVDs, too, or we know how to steal their content. We aren't watching your vid to see your personal Greatest Rewind Moments; we're watching to see you do something new with the canon, something that the creators didn't. And just setting the canon to Evanescence does not count, because sometimes there's a good reason why the creators didn't do it.
Choose Songs Wisely. That mention of Evanescence brings up a painful topic, so stay with me while I whine about the importance of song choice. See, I totally understand that you and I don't have the same musical taste, if I'm allowed to use the term "taste" to describe my admittedly plebian listening preferences. That isn't a problem. I can watch and enjoy a vid set to a song I hate ("I Love L.A." by Luminosity and Kamil springs to mind as an example). I can watch a vid set to a song I've never heard before, and often do; usually this results in me loving the song to an unhealthy degree, and unhealthy love is what fandom is all about, so that's to the good. But I don't want to watch a vid for a song that's already been used in at least eight vids in every single fandom, including Final Fantasy III ("The Angsty Dance of the Pixilated Computer Sprites," set to "Bring Me to Life") and Operation Petticoat ("The Captain, the Thief, the Cook-Prisoner, and Their Mad Mad Three-Way Love," set to "Bring Me to Life")¹. You probably like songs that were not being played hourly on your local Clear Channel subsidiary two years ago. Pick one of those, I'm begging you.
Be Yourself (But Be Original), Part 2. Yes, I'm talking about originality again, because it's a point that needs belaboring. In this case, it's originality of material. See, some shots are used over and over and over and over and - I really can't emphasize this enough - over. Other shots are not used at all. What makes "Whatever" by Luminosity and Sisabet so scarily good? Well, the obvious brilliant insanity of its makers, yes, but also that they used clips you just don't see in vids in that fandom, and there are loads of vids in that fandom. I am totally sure that you have your favorite moments in your canon of choice, and if you're going to slave over the hot vidding programs for hours on end, you might as well use bits you don't mind seeing a million times. It's just that – well, look. Watch at least three vids in your fandom before you get started. For the love of god, don't use any shot that appears in all three, and try to avoid shots that appear in two. And if you've watched two dozen vids and not seen that one perfect shot you've been dreaming of using? Start your vidding, lady, and let me know when it's ready.
Coherence Is Key. By this I mean that random fast edits are no more appealing in vids than they are in, for example, movies. If the pictures don't tell some kind of story or make some kind of point, it's sort of hard to get into it, and by that I mean "as hard to get into it as it is to get into your Great Aunt Matilda's slides of her vacation in Des Moines." Because when there's no coherence, the vid pretty much ends up being a slideshow, albeit a very rhythmic one. I wasn't entranced by my pathology professor's musical slideshows or my radiology professor's musical PowerPoint presentations. (Yes, animated x-rays danced to music in one of my classes. Yes, we did consider swearing out a warrant for the professor's arrest on mass torture charges.) I probably won't be by yours, either, even if it doesn't involve detailed footage of humans who died a long time ago and didn't keep walking.
Canon Knowledge Varies. See, not all of your viewers will be familiar with your canon, and many of them won't be as familiar with your canon as you are. So if, to get your vid, I need to be able to recap the entire canon in play-by-play style using only my canon-retentive personality, my memory, and the screencaps already on my hard drive, say so up front. There's a place for vids like that, especially in the larger fandoms. But that's not the vid you want most of your viewers to start with, because odds are good they'll completely fail to get it, and they won't bother to download any of your other vids, and you made these things to be watched, yes? Here's my suggestion, and I know it's a radical one: beta-viewers. Beta-viewers with varying levels of canon knowledge. Let them tell you if it's for Canon Knowlesspersons², Novices³, Initiates⁴, or Grand Master Fangirls⁵. And then you tell us, so we don't watch the wrong thing.
Show and Tell. Don't just share the vid, share the knowledge; give us credits and summaries, people. You know who wrote and performed the song you used. You know who you are. There's no reason to treat this like classified information. You can tell us; we promise not to reveal it to anyone who doesn't know the Secret Vidshake. Hey, you can even put this stuff right in the vid! And summaries (like "It's another Angel angst-o-rama!" or "Getting funky with Funkmaster Spock." or "Mr. Humphries brings new meaning to 'Are you being served?'") make the angels sing. Or, at any rate, they make the fangirls more likely to download, which makes them more likely to hum along with your vid, which is - sort of like angels singing. Only, you know, way more interested in smut and details and complaining, so not so angelic after all.

There you have it: vidding advice from, well, someone who shouldn't be giving anything of the sort. This also serves as fair warning that I'm going to be recommending the occasional vid, folks. Brace yourselves.

-The Vids-

If you're wondering why I didn't provide direct links to the vids mentioned in the text, it's because vidders hate hate hate direct-linking, and most of them have specific preferences about how they'd like their vids rec'd (or not).

But I do want you to watch these, so here's how to get them. In all cases, you should off-click to save the vid to your hard drive rather than watching it on the vidder's bandwidth, because if you don't, the Vengeful Goddess of Vids will come for you. With an axe.

lierdumoa's Pretty When You Cry is easily available at this link; just follow the directions. But be warned, for this is the Vid None Can Resist. At least, I couldn't; it got me started with Oz and with vids, so it's pretty much the Vid of Ultimate Evil, really.

Gwyneth's vids are available at her vid website. You'll need to email her for the password. I recommend "Santa Monica," which is not only good but also a fairly upbeat Spike/Angel vid. Wouldn't have thought it possible, would you? And this song is a surprisingly perfect choice for late-season BtVS and AtS Spike; it's actually the sheer appropriateness of the song that got me loving this.

Laura Shapiro has some great vids, including the remarkably fun "Wouldn't It Be Nice" (multifandom fluff) and a great trio of due South vids: "If You Knew" (Frannie and Fraser), "Lord I Have Made You a Place in My Heart" (mostly Fraser/Vecchio), and "Wonder of Birds" (Fraser/Kowalski), and Morgan Dawn was a co-vidder on that last one. To get access to Laura's stuff, you'll need to email her; the link is for that.

Luminosity's vids (and the vids she's made with her demented friends) can be found at her website. There's lots of great stuff here, but you absolutely must not miss "Whatever," by Luminosity and Sisabet. This is a vid for vid haters and Angel for Angel haters and lovers alike. Seriously. You cannot go wrong with this vid. (Don't worry about the giant lead-in time; it'll come up eventually, and you'll find it worth the wait.) You can also find "I Love L.A." here, in case Angel-themed vids set to Randy Newman songs have been missing from your life thus far. Also notable: "Evil Angel," which is gorgeous, and actually more about Darla, and "Prophecy," which is all about the Connor unpleasantness, so Connor haters be warned. (And you might want to downsize that window when "Prophecy" opens.)

Shalott and Melina's "The Mountain" can be found at Shalott's vid website. This is a LotR vid, and it's gen, and that's all I'm going to tell you about the content except that it is so, so good. I love this song; it's tough to find one that works with this fandom, but "The Mountain" is perfect. And if you've ever wondered whether DivX is worth the bother, well, one look at the clarity and technical wondrousness of this vid will have you sold. (My advice on DivX: download the free version, which appears to be spyware-free these days, and then use your firewall to keep it from accessing the internet, just in case.)

-Footnotes-

¹ Actually, the truth is I'd pay money to watch either of these vids, but especially the latter, no matter what they were set to. It's more of a problem in the larger fandoms, where I sometimes find myself wondering if a given vid is the "Bring Me to Life" Spike/Buffy vid that has that weird initial edit, or if it's the "Bring Me to Life" Spike/Buffy vid that uses all the AtS footage. After a while, they all tend to become the "Bring Me to Life" Spike/Buffy vids that I'm deleting to make space for the Spike/Buffy vid set to "Johnny Are You Queer."

²Example:

lierdumoa's “Pretty When You Cry," which has been known to drag people into the Oz fandom so fast you can actually hear the popping of displaced air, followed by lots of screaming. And squeeing. But mostly screaming.

³ Example: Laura Shapiro's "Wonder of Birds," which made me all bright and shiny with joy even though it increased my total minutes of canon seen from zero to four. To get this one, I only had to be able to recognize the main characters, which I did. Mostly it was along the lines of "The guy in the Mountie suit is Fraser, and the guy with the spikes is Kowalski, and - do they not have personal space where these guys come from? You couldn't fit a credit card between the two of them in most of these shots!" Point is, I knew who was who, and that was it.

⁴ Example: "The Mountain," by Melina and Shalott; I'm almost embarrassingly familiar with the canon from whence this comes. (Lord of the Rings, for the record.) Which, given that this is fandom, means I've almost watched it until my eyes bleed, but I couldn't pass an essay exam on the DVD special features without a night to study.

⁵ I'd give an example for this one, except that I'm not a Grand Master Fangirl in any fandom. I'm not even a Good Master Fangirl, sad to say, but I'm hoping to be promoted to Acceptable Fangirl sometime next spring.

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I admit I've seen ONE vid done astoundingly well to "Bring Me To Life" -- in fact, it made me desperately want to see the canon anime, which then in turn disappointed me by SUCKING. Argh.

...well, okay, not sucking per se, but their choice of music was...urgh. Goofy where it should have been dramatic, y'know? I blame Cowboy Bebop.

ANYWAY. Thank you for the recs, whee!

I just have to say, first, that your icon is freaking me out. What is that?

And, yeah. Actually, I picked "Bring Me to Life" as my mocking song because I expected to see a lot more of those than I did - I didn't want to use the actual songs I've seen the most of, 'cause, you know, didn't want to seem like I was criticizing specific people. The frustrating thing is that a vid set to an overused song can be good, which means I can't even skip downloading those ones, even though I know I'll be all, "geez, original song choice there" when I watch it.

The icon is from "The Fifth Element." It's Leela (loola? I can't remember) and the Blue Opera singer.

If you have to choose between file size and vid clarity, go for the latter;

File size and clarity are usually interrelated: the more frames-per-second and higher resoultion you save at, the larger file size you end up with. Even compressing nicely with the fancy schmancy DiVX codecs can only get your file so small. With animation file sizes are larger because quality is easy to lose very quickly if you overcompress or try to scrunch the pictures too much. Live action is more forgiving.

So as a *general* rule better quality = somewhat larger size. Where this becomes an issue for people is with paying for hosting bandwidth (my site uses on average 25 GB of bandwidth a month, with a surge up to as much as 40GB when a new vid is uploaded) ... obviously smaller files wind up resulting in less cost. And for people not on high-speed connections, downloading a larger file is an exercise in either frustration or impossibility. A vidder has to weigh a choice between larger file size and better quality against the potential loss of a significant portion of the viewing audience who can't download the vid. I made a vid size of 45 MB once and my email box was filled with complaints about the file size (so I put up a 10 MB smaller version alongside).

So ... online vids have their niche, but the only true way to get the best quality and most reliable accessibility is to see if the vidder can send you a tape or DVD. Barring that, with online vids, you get what you can get :)

Shalott and Melina's "The Mountain" can be found at Shalott's vid website.

Also, I wanted to say, this may be my favorite vid EVER.

I actually do try to get DVDs from vidders when I can, because I am compulsive that way. But, failing that, I'll cheerfully download huge vids. I actually prefer them to smaller ones, because I know from the file size that at least I won't be staring at little tiny pixilated people doing something mysterious with - is that a book? Is that the killer VHS video from The Ring? Is it, wait, is it the One Ring? Ah. From context, I deduce that it must be the Time Turner. I hate that.

However, I'm sure sooner or later I'll encounter a giant file that nonetheless yields a totally unwatchable vid. I mean, I've already encountered every other sign of the Coming Vid Apocalypse, including the Really Bad Vid by an Otherwise Brilliant Vidder and the Really Good Vid Using the Same 15 Frames Over and Over.

(It occurs to me that probably by the time the Coming Vid Apocalypse gets here we will be calling it the Vidocalypse. And we will probably have a LJ community for helpful updates and squeeing about it. I love fans.)

Um. Getting back to the point of your comment: I, for one, thank you for making really huge files available online. I know it takes up bandwidth that some folks can ill afford to sacrifice, but the difference for the home viewers? Absolutely incredible. I'm sort of astonished that people complain to vidders about file size, but I should've remembered that this is fandom, and people complain about *everything* here. Witness, for example, my post.

Brava. Well-said.

I've been sliding down the slippery slope of vid fannishness for the last few years; going to Vividcon this year finally clinched it.

Mmm. Vids. :-)

Um. Actually, I think going to Vividcon counts more as "coming out of the viddish closet, loud, proud, and dancing." Because if you go to that? I'd say you've already been a confirmed vidfan for quite some time.

Love that icon, btw. It's what I love about fandom, right there.

DivX for one who is entirely computer illiterate is a tricky business... and then use your firewall to keep it from accessing the internet, just in case.) How do I do this? ::cringes::

Do not fear the DivX. I'll be happy to talk you through the process, if you like. Just email me (deepbluesea at postmark dot net). Be sure to say what type of computer and firewall you're using, and if you're on a company or school computer, anything like that. You too can triumph over computer fear!

But be warned, for this is the Vid None Can Resist. At least, I couldn't; it got me started with Oz and with vids, so it's pretty much the Vid of Ultimate Evil, really.

Oh, wow. That's really flattering. I never expected for that vid to get the reception it did.

I find it incredibly strange that people were converted into the fandom by my vid considering I never really got all that into the fandom myself. I kind of said hello, made the vid, and said goodbye. I fell in love with the song, and Oz just turned out to be the fandom that served the song best.

This is all your fault.

And I accuse only out of deep love and respect, really. The vid was gorgeous. I just can't get Oz-fandom's claws off me now.

*sigh*

*points to icon*

The song is, yes, totally perfect for the fandom. I mean, really, it could not be more descriptive of the B/K relationship.

But the evil of the vid comes in its accessibility; you don't need to know the fandom to get the vid. (I mean, really. The first time I watched it? I had no idea which guy was Keller and which was Beecher.) I suspect that your relative unfamiliarity with the fandom is responsible for that. People who are very deep into the fandoms they vid tend to choose shots that have great meaning - provided you're intimate with the canon. You picked shots that stand on their own, that have meaning whether you've seen where they come from or not. (Of course, you were probably helped by the incredible good acting in the canon; those guys are who they're playing every second, and it really shows in that vid.)

You can also see this kind of thing at work in a lot of the better movie vids, especially the movies that don't have huge fandoms. The vids are much easier to get than most TV ones, and, again, I think it's 'cause the vidder didn't know the movie quite as well.

(Although it is almost criminally unfair that you aren't reading Ozfic. Your viewers certainly are.)

*crap* accidentally pressed post reply before I meant to

People who are very deep into the fandoms they vid tend to choose shots that have great meaning - provided you're intimate with the canon.

Oh yes, definitely. My last Queer as Folk vid was incredibly contextual. But then, I knew I was vidding for people who were hardcore fans, and not to try to indoctrinate people into the fandom.

One of my absolute favorite vids is Gwyn R's "Valentine Heart" and it bugs me that I can't really share it with anyone because unless you know the Wesley/Lilah canon really well the vid makes no sense.

I think the difference is really purpose, more than unfamiliarity. I knew the significance of all the scenes I chose. However, I didn't choose them based on their significance because for me, this vid not about the fandom. It was about the song. I chose shots that looked good and shots with motion that accentuated the beat the way I wanted. I chose shots that looked dramatic for more dramatic parts of the song. I didn't become a huge Oz fan after I made this, but I did become a huge VAST fan.

(Although it is almost criminally unfair that you aren't reading Ozfic. Your viewers certainly are.)

No way I could take that much angst on a regular basis. I need my happy ending, thankyou. Also, when I made this vid I was so deeply entrenched in the Queer as Folk fandom that no way was I leaving it for Oz.

I have read some Ozfic. But then, I've read some fic in just about every fandom you could name and a few you couldn't.

Heh. This is uncannily timely, since I have only recently stumbled into the wounderful world of vids myself. Unfortunately, finding vids seems to be like finding the Holy Grail - it takes as long, and there is much rejoicing when I manage. I will download almost anything (thank god for broadband), mostly without having a clue what it's about or sometimes even who's in it. I agree wholeheartedly with your post!
Anyway... *looks hopeful* Does this mean you'll be reccing vids now? Because that would make finding them so much easier! (Actually, if anyone reading this knows how to find vids, let me know and I will fangirl you totally. Please?)
*Goes off to look at shiney new vid recs*

I just sent off a long email with a ton of vid info & URLs to the email address on your LJ user page - the email at MSN.com

If that isn't a good email for you, let me know & I can resend it. Hope the info is useful.

Oops! I meant the hotmail email address (it has MSN off to the leftside - guess that's what stuck in my memory).

Hey! Share!

(In other words: could you send me that, too, please please please? (deepbluesea at postmark dot net.) Because I am the world's original bookmark collector, and I cannot hear that other people have lists of bookmarks without wanting them for my very, very own. It's a sickness.)

Sure, I'm happy to share bookmarks. Sent you a copy of the info to the address above. If it doesn't go through for some reason, let me know & I'll resend it.

Ooooo, pretty please, help me find due South vids. Because I've been watching shalott's 'Zebra', and I need more dS vid. I mean, I know it's unlikely anyone can match shalott in teh Mad vidder Skillz, but it's an itch I *need* to scratch. I've got a livejournal address for email.

I know this was for

taverymate, but I thought I'd jump in anyway. (And, sorry, some of this is kind of a repeat of what's actually in the post, but I figure this way it's all in one convenient location.)

Here are the dS vids I know of (main characters/topics in parentheses):

"Wonder of Birds" (Fraser and Kowalski), "If You Knew" (Frannie and Fraser), "Lord I Have Made You a Place in My Heart" (Fraser, Vecchio, Kowalski), and "Big Man on Mulberry Street" (Vecchio). These are all by

laurashapiro ("Wonder of Birds" is also by

morgandawn), whose site is password protected; to get in, send her an email (mailto:laura@humandesign.com).

"Give a Man a Home" (Fraser and Vecchio), by

barkley. Her site is password-protected, and I'm not sure what her front page linking policy is, so I'm going to err on the side of caution. For access, you can email her here (mailto:vids@bonuspoints.net).

"From Where I Stand" (Fraser, Kowalski, Vecchio), by

thevetia, "Full of Grace" (Fraser and Vecchio), by

morgandawn and

thevetia, and "Flying Home" (Fraser), by

morgandawn, are all available at Morgan Dawn's vid site, which is password-protected. Again, I'm not sure of her linking policy for her password page (and all these vidders are at Vividcon right now, so I can't ask them), but you can email Morgan here (mailto:mdawn6@yahoo.com).

"Stranded" (Fraser and Vecchio) is by Gwyneth (

gwyn_r and Sandy. I don't have a site for Sandy, and Gwyneth's is password-protected (plus, I don't think this vid is available there), but you can email Gwyn (mailto:gwynethr@gmail.com); she'll hook you up.

"I'll Take Today" (Fraser, Kowalski, Stella), "Homies" (ensemble), and "No Ship Like Partnership" (Mountie on the Bounty episodic) are by

miruku_koohii and are available at her website, Fizz and Vinegar (http://www.fizzandvinegar.com/videos.html).

"Istanbul (Not Constantinople)" (Vecchio and Kowalski, exchanging places) is by

alasen. You can find information about it here (http://www.livejournal.com/users/alasen/88798.html).

"I'll Stand by You" (Fraser and Vecchio) and "Superman" (Fraser) are by

willows_mom; you can find them at her website (http://felbartlett.org/duesouth.html).

"A Thousand Miles" (general) is by

peter_neverland, whose site is here (http://www.lasgalen.net/Peter/main.htm). (You may need to email for a yousendit upload.)

The Vid Weasels have a bunch of dS vids at their site (http://www.vidweasels.com/fandom_vids.html#DueSouth); most of these are older, VCR vids, so quality varies a lot.

(Also, currently MIA: "If We Kissed" (Fraser and Kowalski), by Fabella, which I haven't seen yet. I've sent an email to the vidder; I'll let you know if I hear from her.)

And you've already seen

astolat's marvelous "Zebra."

That's all I've got right now; hope this helps scratch that itch somewhat. And if you find any others, I'd love to hear about them, either via email (I have a LJ address) or a comment. I adore this fandom, and it is woefully under-vidded.

Your post has most of the major vidders, but is missing online vids by Fenlings, Laura Kaye, Laurie Strode, Ma'hal, Recycled Media Station, Snoo (one of my all-time favorite dS vids, "Don't Put It in Your Mouth"), Tallesin, Vanessa, and Zerlina.

Info on some of these vids can be found in a post I made to the LJ community, Vidding (November 2004). Look midway down in the comments.
http://www.livejournal.com/community/vidding/130332.html

Some info is now out-of-date since online vids tend to come and go and change location at the speed of - well, at the speed of the Internet *g*. Since many new vidders are using YSI or other temporary upload services rather than having websites, it's only getting worse, too. Heavy sigh.

Since I've collected due South vids for years, and rec them at the drop a hat, I long ago began compiling a detailed list of all dS vids that have appeared online. The online section is pretty comprehensive, but the vid tape/CD/DVD section is still very much a WIP. I last updated my list in May, and I think there might be one, max two, vids that I haven't added to it since then. I'll email it to you.

Oh, and "Stranded" can be found at Sandy & Rache's site, Clucking Belles (the name they jointly vid under). The site was password protected, but Rache is very quick about responding to requests. Fabella aka Wistful Fever just recently got a website for her vids again, and a few are back up - unfortunately, not her due South vid at this time.

Oh, cool. I've been trying to find Snoo's vids *forever*, but had no luck. And I anticipate getting a lot of additional fun out of those links, too. It will be wonderful to have new (to me) dS vids.

Do you have files like that handy on any of the other harder-to-find-online-vids-for fandoms? It's easy to finds vids for the Jossverse and Farscape and so on, but much tougher to find the Pros and Sentinel and Invisible Man, etc., even though I know there must be tons of them. (Although most of them have probably not been converted to digital format.)

Thank you!

Sadly, I think Snoo only has the one vid online (or at least, that's the only one I have the URL for). I've heard rumors though, that there is a new Loop songvid tape/DVD in the offing later this year after ViVid Con.

Do you have files like that handy on any of the other harder-to-find-online-vids-for fandoms?

Yes and no. I have URL lists for sites where I've found vids, and those lists are broken up by fandom. Since I'm multi-fandom in the extreme when it comes to vids, the master list is rather large *g*. But the due South list is annotated and has far more detail on the individual vids.

I do have a fairly complete URL list for online Invisible Man vids that's relatively current. And one for Sentinel, though it's on my To Update list. Pen has compiled a wonderful list of all known Pros vids - I adore her list-making nature! Unfortunately, 99% of Pros vids have never been online, and the overwhelming majority of the Pros songvid tapes are OOP. There are relatively few online vids for Sentinel, or IM, either.

If you'd like, I do have some extra backup CDs that I've made for various fandoms that I'd be happy to pass on. Mind you, they are data CDs, with the digital vid files on them, not DVDs. But since my computer system is old, and the HD small, I'm forced to save most vids on CDs. Periodically, I organize them and then make new backups, but I hate to throw away the older backups.

The CDs are organized by vidder, within fandom. Anyway, the Pros vids all fit on one CD, as do the IM vids. Due South is just a bit too big for one CD, and Sentinel is about two CDs, IIRC. If you'd like them, let me know and I'd be happy to send them to you. The dS & Pros backups are current (2005). The IM & TS backups are probably 2004.

I'm hopelessly behind in organizing the rest of my vids; I mean seriously behind - Gigs worth behind! But I do have some older backups (circa 2003) for Witchblade, Forever Knight, Anime (various and sundry fandoms), Stargate, Xena, and some grab-bag mixed fandoms. If you want them, or some of them, again, let me know - email LJ name at AOL dot com.

I'll be emailing you my detailed list of due South vid info. Just want to do a quick update first, since the last was May 2005. And while dS doesn't have that many vids available online compared to other fandoms, some of my all-time favorite vidders are represented: Laura Shapiro, Morgan Dawn, Justine Bennett, Gwyn, Sandy, Shalott, Snoo.

Any other fandoms besides due South in which you're looking for vids? If so, let me know, and I can probably point in you in the general direction.

Okay, well I haven't responded before this because I have been a) busy doing Uni work, voting, etc; and b) trying to come up with a response worthy of the greatness of your response.
Obviously this hasn't quite happened yet :). But thank you so much, and I will try to get something a bit better together in response soon.
*fangirls

taverymate totally*

Glad to hear that the info was helpful. As I said, if you want more focused info, let me what fandoms you favor. I'm delighted to see that this thread has continued to add on a wealth of good vid recs with a wonderfully diverse fandom selection.

Yup, I'll be doing vid recs from time to time. Not a lot of them, mind you. Or maybe a lot of them. Hard to say. The course of fan obsession never does run smooth.

I actually haven't had that much trouble finding vids. The big problem for me has been, well, you have to commit to one before you see it. So I find myself thinking, nah, don't wanna see that - and then three days later I decide I do, and then I have to remember where I was when I decided not to. It's pathetic.

I’d just like to say that I don’t think “wounderful” is in the dictionary, but dammit, it should be.

*re-reads comment* *hangs head* Whoops! Sorry, I have real trouble with my spelling. Still, at least it's an amusing word... *envisages contexts in which 'wounderful' could be used* Perhaps when planning revenge upon hated enemies?

Your advice is so ON! I am the same as you. I have never vidded in my life, so I am reluctant to bitch. But, I watch so many vids that I have become an armchair critic. The bit about "size and vid clarity" was so on the money I had to send out a cheer.

BTW, I highly rec Oz vids by

frelling_tralk.

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Most Especially Tainted Love (http://www.streamload.com/Frelling_Tralk/Tainted_Love.WMV);
Maybe the most awesome vid ever made.

But also Poisen (http://www.streamload.com/Frelling_Tralk/Poison.WMV),
which is pretty damn good as well.

If you liked those, try this one I Hate Everything About You (http://www.streamload.com/Frelling_Tralk/Oz.WMV).

If you like Smallville or just want to watch the pretty, my fav is Toxic (http://www5.streamload.com/Nodes/Node.asp?cxInstID=84961943&nodeID=1181689089).

You're right. Those Oz vids were good. And I want the remake of "Tainted Love" that she used for the vid.

*worriedly eyes Smallville vid*

I don't do SV; well, only a minute amount. Do I want to watch the vid?

*continues eyeing vid*

Hell. Might as well go bravely into that good fandom, yeah?

(Thanks for the recs! And if you have any more...)

Vids are about the only place I can actually enjoy Smallville. Did you watch the vid? I am by no means a Britney fan, but that vid is HOT.

I can make tons of recs. Let me know what you like.

I first rec that you join

vidding. Looks like most of the vidders that I enjoy are members and post their latest stuff here. Plus, there is behind the scenes, making of stuff they discuss.

For The Sentinel, unfortunately, there is not a lot posted online. I really love Remi's vids. 'Tonight is Just for Us' is so freaking beautiful; there was a time I watched it every night for months. (Obsessive much?? Not me) She also has two really good ones to Sarah McLachlan. I know SM is a standard for a lot of vidders. Not quite to the point of the Evanescence song example you mentioned, but Remi's makes these songs for the TS fandom. As you say, she has something to say with these songs and her clips are awesome. As far as I know, Remi does not have an online presense at all. I can give you her contact info if you want it. She will send you vhs or cd of her stuff.

Also, Diana Williams has done amazing things with TS fandom. Again her stuff is not online either. Well, she has a site where you can view her works in progress. She has moved largely into Snape area. Also has a lot of multifan vids. She did some fine, fine work work for slashers. I liked especially Leave to the Matchbox 20 song. That was another song that I watched that vid everyday for months. Also Gonna Get Me which is Jim expressed so freaking well to a Pink song! LOL. She has about a half a dozen other TS vids that I highly rec. One of the problems with DW vids is pixelation. I wish she could rework them, but we don't even have dvds in TS fandom to work with. ::pout::

The Rent Girls did a TS vid to Tom Jones What's New Pussycat that can be downloaded.

If I was to add anything to your wonderful allocution, it would be that vidders make their vids available online for download. My preferred place to watch vids is on my PC, so I don't want the vhs copy. I can get really bitchy and start ranting about multifandom vids and use of dialog in vids, but then I might piss someone off and lose my hook up. I can't be cut off. I need vids!

A lot of the people you already mentioned are great. I think Luminosity is a genius. I don't think the WOAD Society exists anymore, but a lot of her former creative inner circle just rock. Killa, Melina, Carol S. I don't think I saw HL on your user profile, but they pretty much vidded this fandom. DW has some great HL stuff too. Killa and Carol S did some awesome HCL vids. Carol S also covers SG1 and XF. I think these guys must have been vidding since forever!

Anyway, I will leave you in peace. I have rambled on long enough. Probably too long. I have trouble knowing when to shut up.

I would like to point out here (on behalf of all non North American fans) that is can be quite difficult to order stuff online - not so much for the waiting period, but for the cost. I live in Australia, so not only do I have to pay a fair ammount of postage, I would have pay both the postage and vid costs in US dollars, while earning in AUS dollars, and it's not a happy exchange rate for us Aussies. I just can't afford it for something that I've never seen and don't know if I like or not. Actually, who am I kidding. I can't afford it, full stop. This is why I love internet recs - no exchange rate, no postage, very little wait.

Anyway - do you have a link for the Rent Girl's vid? I Googled it but couldn't find it. Thanks.

what is your email address? They have a comment on their website not post it on lists or blogs. I assume that means here too. I can send it directly to your email.

Ah. Cool. My email is theoriginalflamingsheep@hotmail.com. Thanks!

Huh. I was just, actually, thinking about you and vids. Because I remembered what you'd said about not being into television, and I wondered if that extended to vids, which are kind of like compressed, visual fanfic. How interesting that you just answered my question. :)

Want some recs?

Yup, yup, yup! I do, I do want some recs!

(And I'm enjoying the vids even though, really, I wouldn't have thought they were my thing. But I've found that, as with other visual forms of entertainment, it helps to have my Best Beloved watch the vid, too, and point out all the parts I was supposed to be getting that I missed. Like, you know, that that was Sean Bean in all those shots in "No Fear No Hate No Pain." But I think the fanfic aspect outweighs the visual aspect for me with vids.)

Okay, I know you have a love/hate relationship with BtVS, but Paper Cup (http://www.heresluck.net./videos.html) has some brilliant ones--by heresluck. Atropine is particularly good.

One of my all-time favorite videos is Transparent by Laura Shapiro--you can find it , though you have to email for a pass. It's worth it, and watching all of her vids are wonderful.

I'm partial to Istanbul (not Constantinople) (http://www.livejournal.com/users/dsreporter/276224.html) by Alasen in the due South fandom; short but funny. Closer (http://www.headtilt.com/video.htm) by sisabet is one of the best AtS videos of All Time. Gah. So hot.

And if I can persuade you to slip into a new fandom (c'mon, it's good for you) shalott's (http://www.intimations.org/vidding/) Smallville vids Drop Dead Gorgeous is a classic favorite. I also particularly like her Jig of Life, Touch Me Fall, and Behind Blue Eyes (Witchblade, XMM, and BtVS). But of course, most things shalott does are great.

rivkat also has some good Smallville (http://www.rivkat.com/vids.html) videos. You need to get into this fandom, man. Let me show you the light.

I'm sure there are more, but I'm not using my own computer so I don't really have links. This should start you off though. (http://www.laurasha.com/)

I. Am. Pathetic.

Yes. Also addicted to all things fannish. Because I have already watched (and saved, and in some cases watched several times) half of your list. And I'm going to watch the other half right now, as soon as I'm done downloading, even the SV ones. But don't think I'm getting into SV. I'm not. I'm NOT. No. Will not. NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!

(You know, the last time I posted that emphatically about not acquiring the new fandom, I found out about the Sports Night Cult, and then I was in the Sports Night Cult, and tithing to the Bhagwan Sports Night, and...but surely Smallville fans are not as vicious and implacable as SN fans, right?)

Thank you thank you thank you, and when you get back to your own computer, I want more. Because you clearly have good taste. And I am - did I mention this? Pathetic, and addicted, and pathetically addicted.

Heh. I'm glad you liked what I rec'ed, and what I haven't rec'ed. I'll see what I can find to give you more. What's your email?

Smallville...Smallville is a fandom that had a wonderful first flush of fandom, that sort of downturned there for awhile and coined the term BNF--Big Name Fan--and then died out as the show got, well, less good. There's still a good number of people in the fandom, but I think it's not nearly active as it once was. At one point it was about 3/4th the insanity of current Harry Potter fandom, but it's far more chill now.

Anyway. Some of the best fanfiction in fandom was produced there, by some of the best writers in fandom. It's a complete twist on the old dynamic of Superman and Lex Luthor, because both of the characters are so young and (most importantly) because the show hasn't defined their morals in a completely clear-cut way. These characters, this Clark and Lex, are more mutable than the icons they're based on, which certainly makes for a more interesting dynamic for the two (making the major slash pairing) and a looser personal dynamic.

Plus, they're pretty.

Sports Night is a fandom I love, but it's not like Smallville. Smallville is where I go to get my creepy villain-AU fix, my happy futurefic fic, my oh-my-god hot sex wow fix, and some of my favorite femslash fic on top of that.

Interested now? ::grin::

permetaform's new POTC vid, Gravity, by A Perfect Circle. Also, her vid that creeped out all of Vividcon, Lucky You by the Deftones. They're both here.

sisabet's "Angel's over and I can't stand it" vid, Two Words, by Kanye West and assorted other hip-hop. If you can only take Smallville in small doses, try her celebration of electroshock therapy, Without You I'm Nothing by Placebo.

heres_luck 's definitive Faith vid, Superstar, by Tegan and Sara, and her Donnie Darko vid, Cat Scan H'stry, both of which are here.

f1renze 's incredible, soaring Angels in America vid, Prayer for the Dying by Seal.

Okay, no more LJ hijacking!

Actually it's been my experience that vids are far more like compressed, visual meta. They don't tell a new story so much as they show you a vidder's unique take on the canon.

Well, I'd say both are true. There's just a lot of kinds of vids out there.

PR Zed almost always seems to tell a story with vids, often a story that's not actually in the canon at all. Morgan Dawn's "Flying Home" is very much like a dS story, and in fact it's a story I've never seen written quite that way. I'd like to. Except I'm not sure that story could be told as anything but a vid.

And then there's the character vids, which are very similar to character-study fics. "Schism" is a good look at Spike, as is "United States of Spike." Angel seems to get that treatment all the time. I'm especially fond of "Cowboy," but there're more vids about the angsty side of him, actually.

And then, of course, you have the metavids: "My Baby's in Love with Eddie Vetter," for example, which is commenting on something that drives me up the wall about that canon, comics and movies alike. And there's "The Mountain," which is a brilliant metavid and has summary and story components as well.

Finally, the summaries or explorations: like "Transparent," for example, or "Ordinary," both of which take a sad look at early Willow. Or "Need a Man Blues," which takes a movie I could not stand to watch - Wilde - and packs pretty much the whole agonizing story into a few minutes. Without leaving out anything important that I could see.

And I'm not even finished categorizing, yet. There's the hysterical in-joke vid, and the fan tribute, and you're-so-pretty-and-I-hate-you vid, and the slash vid, and...oh, hell. This sounds like I've got another damn vid post in me.

Vids. Will. Not. Take. Over. My. Life.

Won't.

(Oooo, "Drop Dead Gorgeous" totally made me want to find SV fic. But that's wrong. Wrong wrong wrong! Bad fan! Read my lips: no new fandoms!)

I actually wrote a long post on this once. It says most of what I have to say on the subject, so I'll link you to it.

http://www.livejournal.com/users/lierdumoa/121105.html

Of course, the line between fic and meta is not concrete. Character study is a type of meta, the way I see it. My definition of meta is anything that looks deeper at canon or presents an argument about canon. You can put meta into a fic or into a vid or write it out in the regular meta format.

You have the vids that retell the canon story with a different slant, which are similar to fic's that go through a part of canon and retell it according to one character's point of view. For most fic, though, the focus is telling a new narrative, as opposed to retelling the canon narrative.

I think for the majority of vids, or at least the majority of the ones I've see, the meta aspect is equally or more important than the storytelling aspect. With numerous exceptions, of course -- AU vids, like the "Flying Home" one you mentioned.

Thank you very much for mentioning my vids. This URL is second only to my own LJ for downloads so far this month. :)

Nice essay, too. I agree with every part of it, especially your words about song choice and clip originality. Brava!

You're very welcome. Thanks for making 'em; your vids are great.

And since you agreed with me about clip originality, let me just mention the most irritating thing of all about that. It's when you're watching a vid, and you see a clip, and you realize it had to come from another vid you've also seen. Because the original vidder changed something about the clip to make it fit in her vid - the speed, the color, the textures, whatever - and the clip still has all those aspects. Totally unchanged. And it doesn't fit as well in the second vid as in the first.

Hate that. It always leaves me cross and wondering if the vidder got permission to do that and why didn't she just point me to the original vid if she liked it that much?

Yes, I have a lot of bitchery stored up inside.

Yes, I have a lot of bitchery stored up inside.

Join the club. One of my--well, I hesitate to call it a "peeve" because it's so much more than that...okay, PEEVES--is clip theft from existing vids. There are the usual arguments--that we're all stealing from the professional source (fallacious), that we're entitled to whatever's out there because we're fans (fallacious), etc., ad infinitum ad nauseaum. Someone asked me if a vidder saw my vids and liked what she saw so much that she "copied it exactly," would I feel so strongly that it was theft. My answer? Go for it! I manipulate nearly every clip I put on a timeline in some way, and *I* am hard-pressed to recreate what I've done. *g* I know a lot of other vidders who do the same thing, and to see those specifically manipulated clips in another vid is just *jarring*. shutting up now before I start to screech

Sigh. And now I'm a pretentious, elitist vidder, and that's okay with me. Vidding is my passion and my art, and I'm very defensive of it on a personal level--whether anyone else likes my stuff or not. You know? I'm so glad to have discovered it and to have discovered my abilities in it.

Well, you know, I thought that'd probably piss off the vidders. 'Cause if I ever found a fic that lifted a paragraph from another fic (uncredited) I'd be thinking, what part of plagiarism do you not get, kiddo? And it's pretty much the same thing, there.

So. Do you have, say, a list of pretentious, elitist vidders? Because I think I'd probably like their stuff better than the stuff made by...hmmm. What's the opposite of that, anyway? Mundane, pedestrian vidders?

(And I, for one, am glad you discovered vidding, too. I never cease to be astonished at the range and scope of fan talents; it's stunning how good fans are, and how well this whole fan thing works, all things - no money, just love, etc. - considered. And I think I'll stop before I get hopelessly hokey. But, yeah, I'm a fangirl of fangirls, and I don't mind admitting it.)

I am immensely flattered and surprised that you included me in your downfall. ;-) Coming so late to the 'net party and being an old skool VCR vidder until just last year, it would never have occurred to me that someone could discover the joy of vids with my help, in the slightest. So thank you very much for that, and for including me in such great company.

Especially because I think I broke all your rules! My files are only in QuickTime because that was the only compression available to me; I have a program now that is supposed to help smallify the files in better quality, but I'm incredibly disappointed in the results. I'm going to experiment with WM but... I am worried as a Mac user becuase Microsoft isn't providing codecs for Macs. So there's a lot to take into consideration. i'd love to be able to offer both types of files, but I do not have enough money to buy more space, and as it is, I have room for one more vid before I'm going to have to start taking things off. It's really difficult, especially when you're unemployed!

And I just realized now that I failed to send you the address of where to send for the DVDs. Cripes, what a maroon. I will go do that now, if you're still interested.

The only new thought to add: some vids are made with poor source or were made pre-computer. Encoding quality and visability may vary (ex. I cannot capture the VHS versions of older vids to my computer so I can add titles/ do nifty encoding. I am able to cpature them to a stand alone DVD recorder and then rip that file and compress).

I like DivX and have been re-encoding some of my web vids full screen using the codec. Very nice.

Thank you so much for your kind words about my vids, and for spreading the vidlove among all and sundry. (: Your essay is well-reasoned and wonderful. I love hearing this stuff from viewers -- viewers who are really *thinking* about what vidders do, who can tell good stuff from bad and can *talk* about it.

I am so very pleased.

I was just browsing back through some of your old rants, and I had to know:

"Mr. Humphries brings new meaning to 'Are you being served?'"

Does this really exist??? Well, not this particular vid; I realize it was just an example, but do Are You Being Served? vids exist? I would love you forever if they're out there somewhere and you could point me to them!

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Hi, I'm Teresa and I'm a vidaholic

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I can't believe it took me so long to see this post.

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