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Keep Hoping Machine Running ([personal profile] thefourthvine) wrote2004-11-03 04:24 pm
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If You Want to Flame Me, Here’s How: Help for the Apparently Hopeless

[Note: this is a fannish LJ, not a political one, so no election comments will be found herein. If you're curious about how I'm feeling, email me and I'll tell you.]

First, I have to say how disappointed I am that I even need to write this, but it is entirely clear that I do. I have in my possession a small collection of flames regarding the content of this LJ. They all have one thing in common: they are pathetic. I mean, there was a time in this world when a flame meant something. I grew up grinding my teeth as I chanted, "Do not feed the trolls" like a mantra. It used to be difficult to move on without responding. And do you know why? Because those trolls were actually good at what they did. They wanted to piss me off, and they succeeded.

From this LJ, though? The very best flames have made me laugh. Most have just left me worried about the future of bitter rhetoric. So it's apparent to me that if I want flaming as an art form to be preserved for future generations, I need to act now. Thus, I'm offering the short course on "Flaming for Dummies." Because evidently some people out there really need it.

  1. Don't paint the target on your own forehead. So, for example, if you're responding to a rant about poor spelling, grammar, and usage, don't make copious tragic spelling errors in your email. All you're going to do is reinforce my beliefs. (Well, and make me giggle, which was likely not your intention.) I'm really not going to give up on the English language just because it's too hard for you.

  2. Say what you mean. Sure, meaning what you say is important, too, but it doesn't matter how sincerely you believe your statements if no one else can understand them. I can't be angry and hurt and insulted if I'm too busy trying to figure out what it means that you "het"* me. Do you hate me? Do you heart me? Do you get me? Do you want to have heterosexual sex with me? (For the record, if it's the last one, don't hold on to your hopes. I don't have sex outside my space-time continuum, and it's clear that you come from Alternate Earth #437, where they speak Genslih, that strange language that has some things in common with English, but doesn't make a lick of sense to English speakers.)

  3. Know your target, part I. Before you write me hostile email, take four minutes to review my user info and read one of my posts completely. It will greatly enhance the success of your flames. Because, see, when you base your flame on the assumptions that, for example, I come from New York City (or Europe), I have a penis, and I am a teacher, I'm not going to be wounded. I'm going to be wondering if there's a website for mis-directed flames where I can post this so that perhaps the proper be-penised Manhattan-based educator will someday see it.

  4. Know your target, part II. If you're going to insult me, then insult me. Please. Do not simply state the truth and expect that I will understand why it's a bad thing. For example, if you tell me that I like boys, or that I like girls, my reaction is going to be that yes, I do, at least in some specific cases, although I'm working every day to make my misanthropy all-encompassing, so be sure to check back later. If you tell me that I shouldn't think I'm better than other people just because I "write good,"* I'm going to focus on that last part first. I do write "good." I write it all the time, because this is a LJ about good fan fiction, but I wouldn't call it an ability of which I am particularly proud. Or do you mean that I write well? Because in that case, um, you've just complimented me, which is not going to enhance the burn at all. So by the time I get around to the first part of your sentence, which was the supposed insult, my only possible response is, "I don't think I'm better than most people. I just think I'm better than you, but only because you can't flame me for shit."

  5. Sarcasm is not for everyone. Specifically, it's probably not for you. I mean, you got offended by that comment I made because you didn't get that it was sarcastic, right? Well, if you can't recognize it, honey, you sure can't use it. Stick to insults you hear in daily use on a kindergarten playground. Or, you know, if that's too much, I could probably dig up some links to form flames for you. Just let me know how I can help; I want to make flaming me as easy and successful as possible.

  6. If you caused your problem, don't come crying to me. Let me emphasize that you are welcome to read this LJ even if you don't read slash; I'm happy you're here, and I do post some stuff that won't bother you. And I have received email from people who are looking for non-slash recs in one of my fandoms, and I have helped those people, because they were balanced and polite. In other words, they didn't send me feedback saying, "Slash sux and you sux and slash is sick and you are sick you need help."* Please note that I am not the one reading a LJ named after and filled with stuff that, by my own account, makes me sick, so I have to suspect a misdiagnosis on your part.
-Footnote-

* Quotes are mostly sic, but I did correct capitalization in certain cases so as not to strike readers blind. A secret message from me to people who need it: while I appreciate your desire to implement capital letters, they are not something you can simply toss into your writing at random. They are really only appropriate in certain locations. If you are unaware of that, please stop writing, for all our sakes. Thank you.

[identity profile] darthfox.livejournal.com 2004-11-03 05:13 pm (UTC)(link)
[loves]

[identity profile] estrella30.livejournal.com 2004-11-03 05:43 pm (UTC)(link)
I'm going to be wondering if there's a website for mis-directed flames where I can post this so that perhaps the proper be-penised Manhattan-based educator will someday see it.

*loves on you like, WHOA*

hold on, I'm sure I can draft the Platonic flame

[identity profile] adjectivegirl.livejournal.com 2004-11-03 06:00 pm (UTC)(link)
OIMGdo i het u, u *stupid* snoti professerman pple from NYCITY suck slash is soooo gay u suck i hop you r happi being sho dumb

I think I hid most of the talking points. Damn that was hard.

[identity profile] janedavitt.livejournal.com 2004-11-03 06:17 pm (UTC)(link)
So beautifully put :;admires:: Wasted on them, of course, but still elegant and witty.

[identity profile] thefourthvine.livejournal.com 2004-11-03 06:25 pm (UTC)(link)
*bows*

[identity profile] thefourthvine.livejournal.com 2004-11-03 06:31 pm (UTC)(link)
Wow. I'm feeling very loved, here. Which is not the result I expected from a helpful how-to post on flaming.

I love you, too. In fact, I'm going to get drunk tonight solely so I can make a weepy, alcohol-steeped post expressing my sincere love for every single person on my friends list. There will probably be offers of loans, the spare room, my left kidney, and surrogate mother services, too.

Re: hold on, I'm sure I can draft the Platonic flame

[identity profile] thefourthvine.livejournal.com 2004-11-03 06:33 pm (UTC)(link)
Nooooo! It's my arch-nemesis, the One True Flame! Curses, foiled again!

*flatlines*

Re: hold on, I'm sure I can draft the Platonic flame

[identity profile] adjectivegirl.livejournal.com 2004-11-03 06:35 pm (UTC)(link)
MWAHHAA, now I will start my own recslist of thinly veiled Mary Sues who get with Draco Malfoy! FF.net ROCKS!

[identity profile] thefourthvine.livejournal.com 2004-11-03 06:37 pm (UTC)(link)
I admit I'm not expecting most of them to follow my advice. But if I can reach just one future flamer with this, my effort will not have been wasted. My motto is: Fixing Flames, One Moron at a Time.

(Hell, who am I kidding? I mostly wrote this because I desperately needed to get it out of my system; I got the Flame That Broke [livejournal.com profile] thefourthvine's Back today. And I also wrote it 'cause seems like lots of other good people are getting flamed right now, and I thought maybe my cathartic post would help them, too.)

[identity profile] luxshine.livejournal.com 2004-11-03 06:42 pm (UTC)(link)
Isn't it sad that there aren't good trolls anymore?

In a spanish forum we had one who was, if not good, at least resistant. He lasted two years in just one thread, and he wouldn't shut up. It was hard not to answer to him.

Anyway, my question was...

Do people still write "Slash sux you're going to hell for destroying so and so characters/muses/reallifecareers/futureworkwithspielberg" emails?

wow.

Re: hold on, I'm sure I can draft the Platonic flame

[identity profile] norah.livejournal.com 2004-11-03 06:42 pm (UTC)(link)
I LOVE your icon with an unholy love.

Also, great flame.

Re: hold on, I'm sure I can draft the Platonic flame

[identity profile] thefourthvine.livejournal.com 2004-11-03 06:51 pm (UTC)(link)
We are sorry to report that [livejournal.com profile] thefourthvine has exploded after an unexpected close encounter with her diametric opposite.

We estimate a 78% chance that the universe will end within the next seventeen minutes.

We regret any inconvenience, and hope that you will rejoin us for excellence in slash recommendations should the upcoming universe prove to contain a) slash b) fans c) livejournal and d) life approximately as we know it. Thank you for reading, and we look forward to seeing you again in 4 - 6 billion years.

Re: hold on, I'm sure I can draft the Platonic flame

[identity profile] adjectivegirl.livejournal.com 2004-11-03 06:55 pm (UTC)(link)
DATALOG: 5,666,420,187 years A.F.V. *After Fourth Vine*

[you are the first comment in 6 billion years, Visitor]

HOW DARE YO REC PROTON/PROTON???!??!?! THATS JUST SICK. PROTON/NEUTRON is OTP4EVR!

*boom*

[identity profile] sienamystic.livejournal.com 2004-11-03 07:04 pm (UTC)(link)
*falls at your feet in worship*

[identity profile] sine-que-non767.livejournal.com 2004-11-03 07:17 pm (UTC)(link)
*giggles like mad*

This is just what I needed to read. And be-penised is the best new word EVER. You rite so good... ;)

[identity profile] commodorified.livejournal.com 2004-11-03 07:30 pm (UTC)(link)
I love you right back, but please. No kidneys. It took us half a year to get rid of one recently ...

Also my chesterfield is your chesterfield.

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Re: OMG proton/neutron!!!111! (i can't beleive sum ppl there just sic i mean proton/proton, ew!!1)

[identity profile] dzurlady.livejournal.com 2004-11-03 07:49 pm (UTC)(link)
Neutron looked around the nucleus sadly. It was so lonely here, all alone! What good was one neutron all by itself? It seemed like all the other neutrons had already found the protons they were destined for, and were settling down, gaining electrons and forming molecules. All Neutron's friends had found someone - was it so wrong to hope for a partner too? Neutron vibrated restlessly. Please, Big Bang, Neutron begged, just send me someone who will love me for who I am! A vision of Proton appeared in Neutron's mind, but Neutron suppressed it ruthlessly. Proton would never be interested in a neutron like me!
Suddenly, Neutron became aware of someone else's presence. It was Proton! Neutron was speechless, stuck dumb by longing for the stunning proton.
"I'm sorry to intrude..." Proton began.
"Oh, no, you could never intrude!" Neutron babbled nervously. "I'm always here for you. How can I help you?"
"I... I can't sleep. I feel so lonely! Can I share your nucleus tonight?"
Neutron was stunned. Was Proton really asking to share a nucleus?
"I'm sorry," Proton stammered, mistaking Nucleus's shocked silence for a refusal. "I should never have presumed..."
"Wait!" Neutron shouted. "I want to. I've loved you for so long, but I never thought that you would be interested in a neutron like me."
"Interested? You are my everything! I've dreamt of you for so long!"
"Oh, Proton!"
"Oh, Neutron!"
They came together then, shaking frantically, and a deep sense of peace took hold of them both. Finally, everything was right with the universe. Proton moved in with Neutron, and it wasn't long before they had an electron of their very own orbiting their nucleus. They were each part of a real Hydrogen atom at last.
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[identity profile] musesfool.livejournal.com 2004-11-03 08:28 pm (UTC)(link)
I miss the days when people knew not to feed the trolls. That's fallen by the wayside in the LJ-ification of fandom. And yes, the quality of trolls has fallen, too. sigh.

[identity profile] shrift.livejournal.com 2004-11-03 08:40 pm (UTC)(link)
Oh, darling, I'm so right there with you.

Do you get flames because you're not representing certain fandoms equally? Because [livejournal.com profile] nestra and I often get lambasted because we don't do RPF. Even though we're not... interested in RPF. Even though, at last count, we cover over 100 fandoms. And even though we add to that number every update.

It's a losing battle. Luckily, we're not terribly upset by the flames. ;)

Re: OMG proton/neutron!!!111! (i can't beleive sum ppl there just sic i mean proton/proton, ew!!1)

[identity profile] adjectivegirl.livejournal.com 2004-11-03 09:02 pm (UTC)(link)
[livejournal.com profile] thefourthvine u must rec this or suffer my rath.

[identity profile] fanofall.livejournal.com 2004-11-03 09:03 pm (UTC)(link)
I'm sorry that happened.

I would like to read it, though.... ::blinks innocently:: Hee!

[identity profile] thefourthvine.livejournal.com 2004-11-03 09:04 pm (UTC)(link)
*gets weepy*

*embraces [livejournal.com profile] commodorified far too tightly*

Sofa! Sofalove! It's so good! My sofa...your sofa...everybody's sofa. It's beautiful, just beautiful.

*takes another slug of bourbon directly from the bottle*

[identity profile] thefourthvine.livejournal.com 2004-11-03 09:19 pm (UTC)(link)
Do people still write "Slash sux you're going to hell for destroying so and so characters/muses/reallifecareers/futureworkwithspielberg" emails?

One person does. Well, one person still sends such an email, anyway; for all I know, perhaps he or she wrote it years ago and has been sending it to every single slash-related site on Earth. Maybe it was just my turn.

Wow. Destroying future work with Spielberg? I had no idea slashers had such power. I feel - strong, yes, so strong. With slash I can destroy the world!

(Side note: you totally made me laugh with this. See, my Best Beloved works in an area with a tragically high population of entertainment industry folk and also a high population of nutballs, so "project with Spielberg" is somewhat of a joke in our household. It's amazing how many people think that line means something.)

[identity profile] thefourthvine.livejournal.com 2004-11-03 09:20 pm (UTC)(link)
*waves a hand graciously and bids you rise*

Scary icon, by the way.

[identity profile] thefourthvine.livejournal.com 2004-11-03 09:25 pm (UTC)(link)
Hee.

I think everyone should use the word "be-penised" at least once per day. A boyfriend: be-penised! A math professor: be-penised! Angel: well, it'd be penis-deficient, actually.

Still, it'd work for most men.

(Glad I made you laugh.)

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