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Keep Hoping Machine Running ([personal profile] thefourthvine) wrote2005-01-21 12:48 am
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Rant: Enough Already

Life has been unkind to me and mine lately, which has driven me straight into the logophagic part of acquiring a very large new fandom. As always, it's making me testy. During these periods, I read an enormous number of stories, and I'm usually trying to back-engineer the canon, and, well, I'm not at my all-time most tolerant. Which, let's face it, is not really all that tolerant anyway. In short, it's time for another mean-spirited FF rant.



Lube. Lube is important. Crucial, even. I admire authors who take the time to lubricate their characters before anal sex. But there are some kinds of lube that are worse than none at all. In other words, please no more soap as lube ever ever ever. I mean, unless you want it to hurt like hell. (Shampoo is also out, folks. And do I need to explain why hair gel is a bad idea? Well, obviously I do, as I recently read a story involving just that thing, but surely most people understand that "sticky styling product" is not synonymous with "Astroglide," right?) Because, look - if you're going to make me curl up from flashes of sympathy pain, don't you want it to be deliberate? Helpful rule of thumb for lube: if you're gonna get creative, try it on yourself before you try it on your characters. (You're excused if you once had to deal with the aftermath of a friend grabbing the toothpaste instead of the spermicide, because, trust me, you see that once, you don't ever make that mistake yourself. In fact, you seriously consider labeling all your toiletries in Braille, on the off chance that a blind person ever wants to find lube in your bathroom and doesn't think to ask you.)

Cum. "Come." It's spelled "come," goddammit. And don't tell me it's confusing to have it spelled the same as an entirely different word. You speak English. You should be used to this. And if you can't tell from context whether it means "have an orgasm" or "move toward something," you don't speak the English language after all, so you're in no position to be making changes to it. Plus, if we never use "cum" to mean "semen" again, we'll never be confronted with the non-word "precum," which, in addition to being absolutely horrible, always makes me reach reflexively for my Latin-English dictionary. So know that when you spell it c-u-m you're giving some of us painful flashbacks to Latin classes so boring that, by the end of one of them, we could totally empathize with what it's like to be dead for two thousand years. (And by the end of four of them, we were envying Latin, which at least got to be used in orgies and stuff before it died. The best we got was slides, which I had never seen used as a teaching aid prior to this class.)

Per se. It is pronounced "per say." It is not written that way. Or purr say, or persey, or any of the other mutations your mind creates. Seriously. I suffered through two years of the aforementioned Latin class to learn facts like this. Make my childhood boredom worth something; use and spell your Latin phrases correctly. Or, hell, just leave them out altogether. I won't complain. (And you know, the worst part about the slides was that we almost never got to see them, because the teacher couldn't work anything that was manufactured after Diocletian died. When your career has reached the point where it takes three eleven-year-old girls to get your tie disentangled from a fucking slide projector, sir, it's time to find a new career. Or just stop showing slides. We all already know what the Coliseum looks like.)

Watch the cock. I know. You're thinking, wait, that's pretty much all slashers do, right? But I meant that you should be watching the cock's progress. If, the last time we heard tell of it, a given cock was slowly hardening, it should not be achingly hard one kiss later; it makes me highly suspicious of the cock's ability to stay the course. (Of course, if that's the point of your story, go you.) Likewise, if you're writing a detailed sex scene, try to have some actual sex in it. Too many stories these days go like this: 3 paragraphs of kissing, 4 paragraphs of increasingly intense groping and licking, 1 sentence of penetration, 1 sentence of mutual orgasm (which is generally blindingly incredible and often involves screaming), and then 4 paragraphs of afterglow. If that's happening in your story, you have a problem with pacing. Or your character has a problem with premature ejaculation, I suppose.

Akin to terror. What's related to terror? Fear, horror, dread, panic, and alarm, just to get you started. So if there's all these terms related to terror, why not use one of them? Don't just tell me that a given emotion is "akin to terror." Get specific! Either the character is terrified, in which case say so, or he's something else, in which case, hell, go crazy and tell me exactly what that is. Otherwise I'm forced to wonder about you - I mean, you know twenty-four synonyms for sexually aroused and not one for terror? Are you even from this planet?

Bruises. First: bruises are not sexy. They aren't. If you don't believe me, examine yourself the next time you have one. Second: it is easy to bruise someone's neck or breasts with your teeth. It's a lot, lot harder to bruise someone's hips with your fingers. Seriously. Dirty looks will occasionally bruise my Best Beloved, but does that mean I leave finger-shaped bruises every time we have sex? No. No, it does not, and that's because it's not easy to do. Nor is this whole bruising gig something that works for most pairings. (Yes, I'm sure Keller and Beecher bruise each other; for them, that's actually playing nice. But we love those guys 'cause they're not normal.) I think (I hope) writers sometimes use "bruise" to mean something else - pressing hard enough to turn the skin white, leaving the skin flushed and red when the pressure is lifted again. But some authors are definitely talking about real, actual bruising, and unless your characters have platelet disorders, it's just not that likely. Major exception: this is OK in Smallville, as long as it is Clark who is doing the bruising. Please, unless someone can explain to me why it makes sense ('cause, hey, no canon expert here), let's never again have stories in which Lex bruises Clark without benefit of kryptonite.

They don't like to watch. Here's a tip: straight men do not typically feel comfortable when their gay male friends have sex in their presence. They certainly don't carry on a conversation with whichever friend has his mouth free of encumbrance. But it's a sign of acceptance, you cry! The pairing guys are showing how comfortable they are with their new-found sexual identity, and the observers are showing their tolerance! Um. No. Because - let me put it this way. People, just in general, do not feel comfortable watching their friends get it on. (There's an exception here for certain straight men and their lesbian friends. A mildly irritating exception. Moving on.) It has nothing to do with tolerance and everything to do with, you know, boundaries and culture. Don't like that? Get off on an uninvolved, uninterested person watching? Make up a brand new culture or alien race, sister, because it won't work in a story set in modern America (and this is just a guess, but it probably won't work in most of the rest of the first world, either). And, for the record, most people are not comfortable being watched, either. Sex is not a spectator sport, for the very good reason that it looks stupid a lot of the time; let's leave the characters their dignity, shall we? I mean, unless you're deliberately taking it away, in which case, hey - go you.

Like a virgin. Or not. If you're painting a modern-day character over the age of - oh, I'll be generous and say 25 - as a virgin, unless that person is a nun or something I'm going to need a lot of back story. A fuckload, in fact. You want to say it's the first time Daniel Jackson has had sex with a man? I'm fine with that, willing to buy that, happy to go with it. If you're telling me that an encounter in a series-time story is the first time that Daniel has ever had sex, though, um - he was married. Among other subtle clues that he might have had sex at some point in his past. So come up with a brilliant explanation or surrender the virginity, please. And, really, what's so wonderful about losing one's virginity? I've done that. It wasn't, shall we say, pleasant. Now, partly that had to do with the circumstances, but it mostly had to do with the fact that it was my first time. I've gotten better at sex since then. Way, way better, and I mean in the enjoyment as well as the technique sense. And, really, I sort of like the characters to have the same advantage. So, look. If you want to write about virgins, write HP or pre-canon stories or something. I can believe in virginity in those cases, although I adore authors who write that first time as awkward, bad, and stupid as it often is. But please don't tell me that Blair Sandburg is a virgin at 28. Or Angel, who we saw have sex in canon back on Buffy, and who is three hundred years old. Or, god help us, Christopher Fucking Keller, who has earned that honorary middle name in a variety of ways. (And yes, I've read – well, skimmed parts of - stories making just that claim for all those guys.) First time in love? Fine for some characters. First time with the same sex? Fine with most characters. First time in a long time? Perfectly acceptable in many cases. First time, period? No. Please. No.

Think I missed something? Previous FF rants are here, here, and here.

Got some FF bitching to get off your chest? Share in the comments section. I like to know I'm not alone in my insanity.

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[personal profile] shirasade 2005-01-21 12:05 am (UTC)(link)
Heh. Totally agree with you on every single one of those points! Especially the use of soap as lubricant and the mangling of the English language. Every time I read the word 'cum' in any context, it makes shiver - but not in anticipation. :)

Must admit that it made me giggle, though, that you practically called me a nun - I'm 24, still a virgin, and it doesn't look as if that's about to change any time soon. And there's not a lot of backstory to that, no great moral convictions (except that I'd like it to be with someone I care about, not one-night-stand or holiday flirt) or traumas or anything - I just haven't gotten around to it yet. So I guess I'll have to hunt through my closet for a nice penguin suit... *g*

[identity profile] commodorified.livejournal.com 2005-01-21 12:12 am (UTC)(link)
I have a confession to make.

...I think bruises are sexy. I think scrapes are sexy, too. Like, wear-and tear injuries, not bad injuries.

I think dark bruises on pale skin are enticing as all hell.

I think men and women with bruised and scraped arms and/or legs look adventurous and slightly crazy and just generally GUH as hell.

I think bruised knees make me look faintly dirty and dangerous and always show them off when I have them.

Now, I DO know that in fact, people don't bruise easily during sex, and with that part of your rant I have no issue at all.

But *flails at icon* I just want to LICK that little scrapebruise on his jaw...

[identity profile] geneticallydead.livejournal.com 2005-01-21 12:20 am (UTC)(link)
oh man. now I have to delete a whole Oz fic. it's called Christoper 'The Virgin' Keller Experiments With Lube. cause I was thinking, you know, lube in Oz: problem. so I was going to have him try out some dishwashing detergent, or maybe a nice oily salad dressing, or sneak into the factories and steal some machine grease.

I've always thought shaving cream was a good idea. perhaps shoe polish? toothpaste - you got that one, but what about some kind of paste with flour and water...?

and as for the whole 'bruise' thing, if Keller and Beecher aren't actually bruising each other, or even drawing blood, then I'm just plain disappointed.

[identity profile] helpwess.livejournal.com 2005-01-21 12:22 am (UTC)(link)
i was so disappointed in zach braff for subtitling, "he's gonna cum," not "come." zach! no! you made me cringe!
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[identity profile] obsessed1.livejournal.com 2005-01-21 12:34 am (UTC)(link)
I am SO adding this to the group memories for [livejournal.com profile] slashforum. Just thought I'd share.

[identity profile] zoetrope.livejournal.com 2005-01-21 12:34 am (UTC)(link)
Brilliant - all so true.

And, as a little example of my own horrors, I recently read a story in which sea water was used as lube. Now I can't talk from personal experience here, but I'm thinking *ouch*.

[identity profile] swear-jar.livejournal.com 2005-01-21 12:47 am (UTC)(link)
They don't like to watch.

You know what? That is so true. Seriously. My best (male) friend and his girlfriend used to kiss in front of me every now and then in their lovey-dovey stage, and... it's seriously not very comfortable. You don't know where to look.

Of coarse, there's always the exception of voyeuristic kink stories, or the classic Oz plot device "people watching Beecher and Keller getting it on".

Or, god help us, Christopher Fucking Keller, who has earned that honorary middle name in a variety of ways.

::FACEDESK::. Hello disregard for CANON. He’s… emphatically NOT a virgin (in… any way).

People. Stupid. It's almost funny, really.
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[personal profile] andraste 2005-01-21 01:06 am (UTC)(link)
Major exception: this is OK in Smallville

Or, you know, if you had another pairing involving an alien who can break chains with his bear hands and lift grown men over his head when he's in a bad mood. I'm pretty sure half of my B5 OTP would have to make an effot not to leave bruises on the other half during sex. And I have to confess I'm also in the 'bruises can be sexy' camp, although only for that pairing so far. Some couples are just weird, y'know?

[identity profile] hypertwink.livejournal.com 2005-01-21 03:25 am (UTC)(link)
I agree with you. One of my worst peeves is the lube part. I'm a gay man so I kinda know what feels good or not. Even if you've been together for long a little lube goes a long way. You can't just spit and voila, it's way deep into the ass.

And please, if you really want to know, KY definitely. Baby oil and lotion, if you're desperate. But no chapstick, no blood (well, unless you're Angel and Spike and even then, that's pishing it) and no motor oil!!!
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[identity profile] the-star-fish.livejournal.com 2005-01-21 04:59 am (UTC)(link)
Yay! Well said!!

(I must confess that in the early days of my slash career I took the advice of a popular website and used soap as lube ... I was promptly corrected by not one but two readers and ended up changing it to conditioner (motel room, no supplies, etc.). Now that I really understand why lube is so very very essential I cringe at the thought of ever going without it.)

What's the new fandom?

[identity profile] ruric.livejournal.com 2005-01-21 05:18 am (UTC)(link)
Hate me and want to make sure I know it?

More to the point I think I have just fallen passionately in love with your ability to conduct an intelligent, witty rant which made me snigger in many places (not something I should be doing at work)! I'll be reading the previous rants at home tonight, because weeping with laughter whilst at work - not such a good idea :o)

100% with you on everything - but I *loved* your comments on lube, cum/precum (::like you reflexively reach for Latin dictionaries!) and like a virgin. Heh.

It's been a busy, evil week here so this was just what I needed to give me a lift this lunchtime!

I'm also enjoying your continued erudite recs posts, which I am stockpiling for when I have time to read!

[identity profile] maygra.livejournal.com 2005-01-21 05:22 am (UTC)(link)
Lube: {falls over laughing} Okay, check. Got that. :::giggles insanely:::

Also, with the bruises are sexy camp -- which generally follows the "Rough sex is sexy" camp. Also with the not quite consensual or entirely non-consensual camp that twitches on the reminders camp. And on the TMI side, I am one of those people who bruises really easily: fair skin, prone to running into things...Gets bruises in non-bruisingish places like *hands*. (Justifies madly...)

Watch the Cock...in minute and excrutiating detail, I fear.

See, this is the perfect rant because now, in all those instances where I am tempted to write The Bad Things, I will be laughing my ass off and be unable to actually write The Bad Things. Because usually, humor is not what I'm going for.

:::applauds the fourthvine::


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[personal profile] helvirago 2005-01-21 06:01 am (UTC)(link)
(Sorry -- while I may also adore maygra, I was intending to reply to your original post.)

Totally adore you. And also agree with pretty much everything you said.

What's with the resistance to lube, anyway? Seems to me some people need to discover the joys of lube in straight sex; then maybe they'd remember it when it comes to the slash.

The lovely thing about HP fandom is that you can just handwave things -- lube? well, how about a spell -- and everything's done quick and easy. Which makes it even less comprehensible that there are so many lubeless fucks in HP. Along the same lines, I understand why slash writers tend not to include enemas or the like, but really, one line about a cleansing spell in HP... ah, well. My peeve, clearly not the writer's.

And the word 'cum' drives me batshit insane. It's just such an oddly cutesy word. Like it belongs in a Prince song, or IM chat logs: "I'm gonna 2 mayk U cum, hoor."

[identity profile] umbo.livejournal.com 2005-01-21 06:07 am (UTC)(link)
In great agreement with you and adoration of you on every point. Can't even fathom that people are writing Daniel, Angel, and Keller as virgins--that's just--did I say already I can't even fathom it?

[identity profile] laylee.livejournal.com 2005-01-21 06:25 am (UTC)(link)
Firstly I must say that I heartily agree with all you have to say. In particular I hate the so-called word 'cum' and cringe every time I come across it in a fic.

And lately, my favourite pet peeve is the way a lot of writers put forward the idea that first-time sex is always great. In reality, no matter how much two people love each other, first-time sex is rarely great. It can be awkward, uncomfortable and embarrassing, sometimes okay, and quite often not too bad, but hardly ever great. It takes time for people to reach and accord between the sheets and to have both parties 'screaming his name as I cum so hard I swear my brains are going to explode' the first time around is sometimes just a little too much cope with.

[identity profile] out-there.livejournal.com 2005-01-21 06:35 am (UTC)(link)
If it wasn't for the fact that you're taken, and I've already claimed [livejournal.com profile] celli as my fannish consort, I'd be getting down on bended knee and asking you to marry me for this rant. *adores*

[identity profile] hjcallipygian.livejournal.com 2005-01-21 06:48 am (UTC)(link)
Yay! More ranty goodness!

I was running low. And, also, thank you so much for the come/cum rant. That one just drives me fucking insane with rage.

[identity profile] anneline.livejournal.com 2005-01-21 07:22 am (UTC)(link)
I think bruises are sexy but it may just be wishful thinking on my part. I'm like [livejournal.com profile] maygra and bruise very easily (I have a bruise on my hand right now as a matter of fact). So maybe I'm just hoping that some guys find that hot rather than nasty. I've been told muscular people don't bruise as easily as non-muscular people, so that might also be something to consider. I do know from experience if you do get bruises during sex (including finger shaped ones on hips) they don't show up until the next day. Or at least several hours later.

Despite that, I have written fic where bruises appeared spontaneously even though I knew better. I apologize. I feel throughly chastised and won't do it again. I love all your rants (and recs). You should do another one of over-used word/phrases. Gotta keep the fandoms fresh with the vocabulary.
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[identity profile] cereta.livejournal.com 2005-01-21 07:24 am (UTC)(link)
So know that when you spell it c-u-m you're giving some of us painful flashbacks to Latin classes so boring that, by the end of one of them, we could totally empathize with what it's like to be dead for two thousand years. (And by the end of four of them, we were envying Latin, which at least got to be used in orgies and stuff before it died. The best we got was slides, which I had never seen used as a teaching aid prior to this class.)

Latin is a dead language,
As dead as it can be.
First it killed the Romans,
Now it's killing me.

All are dead who spoke it,
All are dead who learned it.
All are dead who wrote it,
Blessed death, they earned it.

[identity profile] qe2.livejournal.com 2005-01-21 07:47 am (UTC)(link)
Thank you.

When I'm out of the weeds here in law-school land, I hope I'll have time to come back and comment in more depth on this.

Right now I just want to express my undying gratitude and leave it at that.

(Except to note that as a result of all the "cum" addicts out there, I now twitch every time I see someone refer to Mel Gibson as, say, an actor cum director. [Mel Gibson makes me twitch in general, actually.])

[identity profile] raveninthewind.livejournal.com 2005-01-21 08:43 am (UTC)(link)
Ficking excellent rants.

One quibble: While I won't argue that the bruise factor is way too high in most fanfic because it is (guess lots of people have that fetish), and I agree that most guys probably won't bruise all that easily...I do. For some reason, probably due to my low blood pressure, I never fail to walk away from sex--normal sex, not rough--with numerous bruises. In everyday life,I can bruise any part of my body, even my hips, by being my normal clumsy self. My parents learned never to grab me when they corrected me or played with me because I would look like a child abuse victim.

But recently, I discovered that arnica gel is an amazing bruise healer.

[identity profile] smonsterbite.livejournal.com 2005-01-21 08:44 am (UTC)(link)
Chiming in with the I bruise easy/bruises are sexy camp. I get bruises and have *no* idea how. I once had 40 at one time, from rugby (clearly, I knew *how* those got there if not the specific blow that caused them). And during sex... yeah.

However, I agree with you that they are a little overused and that red marks which fade are much more likely.

And thanks for the come/cum thing. I'd been wondering which was correct and never got around to looking it up.

You give good rant.
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[identity profile] greenet.livejournal.com 2005-01-21 09:47 am (UTC)(link)
Gonna read the comments later, but first -- I´ve read the use "whatever the hell´s handy" for lube stories and usually I just go "okay, apparently I have a really dull sexlife", but I have read soap used as a lube as well, and, not having any intention of trying it myself for various reasons...Doesn´t that burn?

(also, I think I recall reading about shoepolish being used at one point. I´m hoping that´s just a bizarre joke on my brain´s side, because, well, highly unaestetic to start with...)

Like a virgin - Angel? Like. Angel? Angelus? Uh. Darla, Dru, possibly Spike, Buffy and Eve Angel? ...What show are those people watching?

And, Blair Sandburg? ...It´s been a while since I saw the show, but I distinctly remember something about him screwing a lady on Jim´s couch...

I do love the story in which Duncan MacLeod is a 400-virgin though. Or Methos, the 5000 year old virgin who was married, like, 88 times, but, you know, it´s not like he ever had sex during that time. *cough*

Per se - Random note: In Norwegian it´s pronounced pretty much the way it´s written.

Cum - *looks embarrassed* I was actually starting to almost believe that was the official term for it. It didn´t seem right, mind you, but neither does a whole lot English words. Like the use of either-or, neither-nor which seems to vary a lot depending on the author.

Surprisingly, my English dictionaries doesn´t actually contain that many words relevant to writing/reading porn.

*pause* I should send the publishers a letter of complaint.

ps.
I like your rants. They´re amusing with that special hint of "if I ever get my hands on this author, I will not be responsible for my actions".

[personal profile] indywind 2005-01-21 11:34 am (UTC)(link)
I love the way you are so right!

Although soap is not so bad. Certain soap. In the shower, where continuous contact with water keeps it slippery. And, where else would anyone use it?
No don't answer that. I am sure someone has managed to have soap-not-in-the-shower. In fact, the thought that someone might take "soap is sort of okay in the shower" for blanket permission to use soap wherever, whenever...
Forget I said anything.

And the sexiness of bruises is a matter of opinion, I guess. ::contemplatively admires big greeny-purple patch on right thigh:: Though I would assume anyone who finds them more than mildly interesting is probably kinky as hell.

[identity profile] resonant8.livejournal.com 2005-01-21 11:35 am (UTC)(link)
[snickering madly]

One appeal of historical fandoms is that you can in some cases have adult male virgins, if that is your heart's desire. I'm sure that a great many 17-year-old midshipmen had already experienced the pleasures of the flesh in 1793, but I'm also quite confident that Horatio Hornblower was not one of them.

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