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Keep Hoping Machine Running ([personal profile] thefourthvine) wrote2006-02-11 10:52 pm
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Super-Wanky Special Poll: Nobody Loves Me, Everybody Hates Me. I Think I'll Go Eat Trolls.

Except, see, I really don't want this to get wanky. I'm just not sure there's any way to discuss this without wank, although I'm going to try. Try really, really hard.

And please keep in mind, as you read this and select various boxes of clickiness, that I am not asking why no one loves me. Because, actually, I feel very loved. (Um, yeah, the title of the post and the poll would seem to argue otherwise, but my feeling is: if I'm going to post on a topic of potential wankiness, I might as well make fun of myself. That way, at least it will be amusing. To me, I mean.) LJ has been good to me.

It's just that anniversaries are much on my mind lately. (Best Beloved and I will be celebrating our, um, somethingth year together tomorrow. We still haven't figured out just what number year it is, though.) And my LJ anniversary is coming up, so I've been reflecting on it, in my usual mature, considered manner. ("Hmmm. Two years? Really?" [pause for thought] "Oooo! Porn!") And I've noticed that, over time, my experience of LJ has changed. For example, I'm much less likely to make friends (actual friends, not friends-list friends) now, and when I do, it's as a result of me seeking other people out.

Also, I've been getting strange responses to the comments I leave in other people's LJs lately. Used to be, people just responded. Or not. Whichever. Now - well, I sometimes get responses that indicate major astonishment that I commented on a friend's post at all.

This is weird. Isn't it? It's new to me, anyway, and therefore weird to me.

Admittedly, I'm not the biggest commenter; I don't comment on 99.5% of the posts I read, because I'm just not very social. (People who know me in real life are invited to take 10-15 minutes to laugh helplessly on the floor at that understatement.) But that's always been true, the not commenting and the not socializing. So I'm kind of wondering if the subtext of these new, weird responses is, "Wow. You actually came down from your high horse long enough to leave a comment in my LJ! A very long and pointless comment, let me add, which I'm kind of astonished you thought I'd be interested in." (Because when I do comment, I do it to excess. You should all be very glad I don't comment any more often, actually.) In other words, I'm wondering if my bad LJ habits (lack of comments, spotty replying, a dearth of posts) have made me something of, um, a Notorious B.I.T.C.H. (I'm spelling it! For purposes of delicacy! See? No wankiness here!)

Which, hey, if that's the case, I'm fine with it, actually. (Yet more evidence for bitch-hood, I realize.) But, okay. You know how we are all destined for hell because of all the fun we're having? I suspect I will not be frolicking on level 2 with the rest of you lusty folks, but rather wherever it is they store the excessively curious. (I'll be asking "Why?" in hell, in other words. This is a very suitable fate for me.) I'm okay with my LJ experience changing; I'm still having just as much fun here - more fun than is legal in most states, in fact. But I want to know why it's changed.

So I'm asking you.

But, seriously, this is not a request for you to tell me you love me. (Love doesn't need a season! Or a reason! Or a wankfest!) Instead, I invite you to speculate on why other people don't love me. Or, at any rate, why they seem unwilling to talk to me, and why they sometimes act shocked when I talk to them.

Plus, it's an occasion to post a poll. And is there ever a really bad reason to do that?

[Poll #671603]

[identity profile] thefourthvine.livejournal.com 2006-02-13 04:46 am (UTC)(link)
You're making perfect sense. Fandom is my first and only experience with female-normed culture, if I can call it that, and I find it absolutely fascinating. I guess I didn't realize the extent to which men form our social mores until I found a place where they didn't.

What fascinates me most, though, is the men who do fit in here, particularly the straight ones. DC fandom is great for sly amateur anthropology geeking. And it's just - really really gripping to see how guys deal with the female fan community. Like, you have [livejournal.com profile] scans_daily, which has had a huge influx of gen comics fans that, and so of course you have the, "Slash makes me uncomfortable, so change yourselves and this community!" guys. But you also have the "Oh, shut the fuck up; we come here because the slash fans can at least act like grown ups" guys.

And the individual straight boys? If they want to write DC FF, this is really the only game in town for them. And it's amazing to me how well they fit in. They start out uncomfortable with slash, even pissed off with it, but in six months or year, they're writing slash snippets as birthday presents for their fandom friends and making dolphin-noises when they rec stories in their journals.

So, anyway, I had a point here, but I got distracted - surprise! - and totally lost it. Oh, right. My point was: I know what you mean. It's jarring when the guys act out, act against our local cultural norms.

And it's equally jarring to them, I think, that there are female cultural norms at all, since they don't see society as a whole as more heavily influenced by men. I see a lot of absolute loathing of our kind of fandom - I mean, not just slash, but every aspect of it - from guys in the lj-related communities, and a lot of their hatred stems from that dissonance, I think. (Because they don't, for example, feel the same about Star Trek gen fandom, which is mostly male.)

And, okay. I am shutting up now. Suffice to say that you touched on a topic of great interest to me. (And I'll bet you're sorry now.)

[personal profile] indywind 2006-02-13 11:20 am (UTC)(link)
**I** am not sorry! I am listening in with great glee!


Also, Hi, I am commenting in your journal, I think you're cool, etc.

[identity profile] damned-colonial.livejournal.com 2006-02-14 03:47 am (UTC)(link)
Dolphin noises?

You know, you really do need to cultivate some more rampant arrogance. Convince yourself that we're hanging on your every word. Because we don't *actually* think "gee, I wish tfv would shut up now" all the time, you know. Hardly ever!

[identity profile] commodorified.livejournal.com 2006-02-15 02:24 pm (UTC)(link)
Dolphin noises?

*emits series of high-pitched chirps*