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Keep Hoping Machine Running ([personal profile] thefourthvine) wrote2011-10-06 11:27 pm

Sartorial Assistance Needed OMG Please

I am seeking advice on two clothing problems. One is mine, one is the earthling's.

The Trousers Must Stay On!

The earthling has a very, very narrow waist. (He is not underweight. Just - narrow.) This makes buying trousers for him difficult; he generally grows into the waist around the same time the cuffs hit his mid-calf. With some brands, he doesn't grow into the waist until the cuffs are just below his knee, which would make them good shorts, except he doesn't like shorts. I have seen clothes labeled 9 - 12 months that have waists too big for his 40-month-old body.

And the thing is, the earthling has preferences. He doesn't like clothes with stiff or scratchy fabric or anything he deems poky, and he expresses his objections in no uncertain terms when things do not meet his standards. But for his age group, the only option for the narrow-waisted is adjustable-waist trousers. Which are, in the earthling's judgment, unacceptably poky, and in any case they only come in jeans and cords and stuff - all fabrics that are too stiff. He will not wear them. (And even if he did, on the tightest setting they still slip some.) He wants to wear elastic-waistband trousers made from soft fabric.

This takes us to pajama pants and sweatpants. Both of which, when they fit his length, fall off his narrow, narrow body unless we roll the waistband at least once, often twice. (We own exactly one pair of trousers that fits him in every dimension. One. This pair came to us as part of a pajama set. If I could, I would clone it.) This has worked for most of his life, but now he wants to get dressed all by himself. He does not want help, no thank you, Mama, I do it, I do it. He can get the trousers on, but he can't get them properly rolled, and the result is that he spends a lot of time walking around on his cuffs hauling up his waistband every two steps.

So does anyone have any brilliant ideas? I need either:
  1. Some mechanism by which the waistbands of elastic-waist trousers can be made permanently narrower, without interfering with the earthling's ability to get them on all by himself.
  2. A source for elastic-waist, soft fabric trousers for narrow-bodied toddlers.
Keep in mind that I do not own a sewing machine, and also the only reason I passed the needlecrafts part of Home Ec was that the district office sent over a note saying that, diagnostically, I could not ever be expected to do any better. (And even then, I was extremely wise and kept my projects very low on the ambition scale.) And Best Beloved's mother deliberately did not teach her kids home skills of any kind, on the grounds that she did not ever want them to use them.

So, basically, we are looking for a solution that does not require us to be crafty and handy and - stuff. This has ruled out everything I have come up with so far. Help? The earthling is running out of trousers. And tripping a lot. It is very sad.

The Boobs Must Be Free!

Before I got pregnant, I wore bras that took their design inspiration from the Bastille. My bras were things that you could, in an emergency, use as moderately functional body armor, filled with ribbing and nine million hooks and many wires, with a general aesthetic somewhere between "bondage device" and "cruel and unusual punishment."

Then I got pregnant, and soon I had a stomach in the way of many of those bras. Then I was nursing, and it turns out those sorts of bras block various critical ducts, not to mention that they don't fit the ever-fluctuating boobs of the breastfeeder, so they don't make them in nursing versions. I mean, yes, I have an underwire nursing bra, but it's entirely wimpy. One tiny wire under each boob! That's not a true underwire bra as I know it.

So, the earthling is now officially weaned. And, see, I've spent the last two years assuming that would happen any day now (and look! I was right!), so I've been wary of purchasing new nursing bras. As a result, I now have a total of four of them: one that is so stretched out it is more like a tank top, one that has a giant hole in it (making it ideal for any three-breasted breastfeeder, but less ideal for me), one that is way too loose, and one that actually fits and works.

Obviously, it's time to get out the old bras. They are the same size as my boobs currently are (or, okay, some of them are). But my boobs have lost the knack of wearing them. Used to be I strapped them into their wire cages and they did not protest, but after four years of freedom, they have decided they don't like captivity. They whine all the time - "A wire is poking my sensitive underparts!" (Used to be I could get an open sore on my boob from an exposed underwire with only minimal boob protests.) "This is really tight!" "Why is the cup only big enough for half of me?" (I said only some of them fit, right?) It's pathetic, seriously. Somehow having and nursing a baby turned my boobs into wimps.

Basically, they want to stay in nursing bras. I, on the other hand, would prefer to have cups that don't come randomly unhooked when I move too much, largely because there is nothing more wonderful than fishing around in your shirt for a stray cup, unless it is the charmingly lopsided look your boobs have when one is in a cup and the other one is on top of its cup.

I need recs. For bras. Bras that are not fierce contraptions of steel and strapping, bras that are somehow comfortable. (Underwires are optional, but fine. I mean, I do have underwires in my best-fitting nursing bra. Just - I guess not really aggressive underwires.) And these bras have to come in an H cup. Is there anything like that out there? Do any of you large-breasted persons out there know of a bra like that? Help my boobs! They are yearning to breathe free!

[identity profile] svilleficrecs.livejournal.com 2011-10-07 10:02 am (UTC)(link)
And re: the boobs, I'm just a D/DD but I've played off and on with the weird trick of wearing an undershirt *under* my bra. A tank top that's thin/cotton/comfortable/relatively close fitting, and then over that, whatever underwire bra. Takes a bit of boob fluffing, scooting to get everything into place and make sure there aren't any bunches of fabric beneath the bra, but I find I can wear a contraptiony bra for a lot longer/more comfortably if I have a liner beneath it.

[identity profile] weirdnessmagnet.livejournal.com 2011-10-07 11:04 am (UTC)(link)
What firesprite1105 and bethbethbeth said. Taking in elastic-waisted pants is super-easy and you're done, or take them to a tailor and have them taken in just a bit. If you sew even a little, making pajama bottom pants is stupid-simple (I barely sew and I churn them out) so if you're inclined at all to take a crack at it, that would be a good project. Plus then you get to make him pants in really cool fabrics. Batman pants for EVERY DAY OF THE WEEK. I'm just sayin'.

As for the boobs: go get yourself a proper bra fitting. Nordstrom does it the best in my experience. Get fitted first because your boobs have changed after childbirth and nursing and two years of freedom. Then go shopping! Others here have suggested the same places I would have. More companies are making non-underwire bras these days that don't suck, so you'll have much better luck finding comfy things than you would a year ago.

[identity profile] emma-in-oz.livejournal.com 2011-10-07 11:08 am (UTC)(link)
I really like Bodywise - http://www.bodywise.com.au/

The shipping to the US would probably be insane but they are made out of soft material and they are so comfortable, no underwire.

It takes a few days to adjust mentally to your breasts being lower than you expect them to be - but they are basically held at where they want to be rather than being forced up as society suggests.

[identity profile] amireal.livejournal.com 2011-10-07 12:00 pm (UTC)(link)
Basic tayloring can be taken to the drycleaners and this is basic tayloring. What you want is for them to roll the waist band down a few times and sew it into place. OR, you can measure the tiny person's waist and give them that info, OR you can measure how much you have to pinch up the sides at the seems to get them to fit and give them that.

Track pants?

[identity profile] boochicken.livejournal.com 2011-10-07 12:04 pm (UTC)(link)
My cousin's son went through a similar "no poky" pants phase, and she ended up dressing him in track pants, like the first row on this website: http://www.kohls.com/kohlsStore/toddler_boys/bottoms/pants.jsp?icid=tbmo|mol4

I don't know if that would fix the narrowness problem, but they're definitely not poky.....
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[personal profile] greyminerva 2011-10-07 12:05 pm (UTC)(link)
Suspenders?
We tend to have the opposite problem here - G is such a strapping young lad (absolutely not fat, but still "toddlersized" around the middle) that pants that fit him in the waist tend to be four inches too long.
And they all slip down, because kids MOVE, and what fits around the middle will slip off his non-existent hips!
So I too buy elastic-waist trousers (because I don't want to STRANGLE him with all those nasty, hard/solid waistlines that are way too tight for him) and occasionally try a pair of suspenders to keep them up without having to tie them on too tight.
And I'm thinking maybe suspenders would be a solution for Earthling too, if they're not too confining/hard to put on for himself? If they're already secured to the pants, putting them on once the trousers are up might be doable?

[identity profile] yudinsoha.livejournal.com 2011-10-07 12:31 pm (UTC)(link)
We have the same problem with pants. For us, the Garanimals brand and the Target one seem to work best for my narrow kid. I have 4 pairs of the Garanimals pants in basic black, and some others in colors that work with large numbers of her tops. If those dimensions are still off, take a small piece of elastic (maybe and inch or so), stretch it a bit and sew the ends to the inside back of his pants. No one will see it from the outside, not cutting involved, and involves only one stitch.

As for bras, I'll second the recommendation for the Goddess brand. I'm a J-cup and buy almost nothing else. And if you ever have an Earthling 2.0 they have an excellent nursing bra series as well.

[identity profile] ldthomps.livejournal.com 2011-10-07 01:19 pm (UTC)(link)
I finally went to Intimacy (http://myintimacy.com/) based on wholehearted recommendations from several fangirls, including [livejournal.com profile] brooklinegirl (who, as you probably know, has epic, legendary boobs). They, just as everyone always says, put me in a much smaller band size and much larger cup size (I thought I was a 40D, they thought I was a 34G), and the bras all fit beautifully, make me a Much Nicer shape, and are comfortable.

They cost an arm and a leg (~$150), but I just got two and alternate and now that I've done that I'll never go back. Best sartorial investment Yet.

[identity profile] forked.livejournal.com 2011-10-07 02:11 pm (UTC)(link)
Holy crud- I just whined about paying $44 bucks! Shuts up now.

But yea- a bra that actually fits is worth it.

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[identity profile] forked.livejournal.com 2011-10-07 02:07 pm (UTC)(link)
Crap- my size B's feel very inadequate at the moment!

I will just say- go get fitted for a bra. It's worth it. I've dropped weight and with it a cup size. And I frankly know jack all about how bras should really fit because I pretty much live in sports bras unless I have a pressing need for boobage.

But you have to have at least 2 bras that actually fit, so I asked my SiL who actually knows about shopping and bras and things and she sent me to Soma for a fitting. I walked in, threw myself on their mercy. They measured me, came back w/a selection of bras, showed me how they actually should fit. I bought a neutral and a black and now I am done with it for the next several years. They cost about $44 bucks each (twice what I've ever spent on one), which is nuts to me. But it was still worth it not to have to muck about with it.

Not sure they would be a great option for you - but the advice to go somewhere they really know bras and have them just figure it out for you is great advice.

That- or stick with sports bras. Man I love my sports bras.
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[identity profile] keerawa.livejournal.com 2011-10-07 02:21 pm (UTC)(link)
Thinking outside the box, perhaps Earthling would tolerate overalls? I believe they come in a variety of fabrics.

http://www.oshkoshbgosh.com/
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[identity profile] macey-muse.livejournal.com 2011-10-07 02:47 pm (UTC)(link)
My knowledge is limited to the uk markets, but Bravissimo are very good: http://www.bravissimo.com/products/lingerie/ . Primark have a DD+ range in the 'ridiculously cheap' price which are actually better than most department-store bras. I'm resigned to never-ever wearing bras that fit, because apparently 30F does not exist. (It's worse for my sister, who is 28F.)

WRT Earthling, you could probably pin trousers at the hips in a fairly permenant way. Or get some kiddie-suspenders - bonus charisma++!

[identity profile] youreyesaregems.livejournal.com 2011-10-07 07:41 pm (UTC)(link)
I'm a 30H. Bravissimo is as good as it gets, I think. Holla!

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[identity profile] kudilu.livejournal.com 2011-10-07 02:51 pm (UTC)(link)
other than the minorly crafty things mentioned above, i don't have any suggestions for the Earthling. I do very much second the shorten-the-elastic suggestion though - it really is super-easy. you don't even HAVE to sew at all, if the Earthling can tolerate the alternative - get some of the super-tiny safety pins, fold the elastic flat (so it looks like an S with the ends continuing out) to the correct length, and pin the folds to the flats. You can probably hide the pins inside the folds of the elastic, to cushion the Earthling against them.

As for bras - i have a couple of suggestions.
First, have you tried Lane Bryant? They don't do it in everything, but some of their styles do come in H. They're the 'wimpy' underwire you mention (just one wire, and maybe a single stay on the side), but considering I can't even tolerate that for any significant length of time ...
Second, try to find out if you have a Colesce Couture bra fitting consultant in your area. If you LIKE bras that are a marvel of engineering, you should love them, even though they have no underwires whatsoever. I haven't worn them in over a decade (i may be large, but god i hate underwires or other feats of engineering), but when i did, they were fabulous at what they did. My mom was a J at the time, i believe (she seems to have shrunk a little now, as she's fitting best in Gs or Hs from Lane Bryant), and they actually will customize bras for you if one breast is larger than the other (!!!).
I do have some other online links for large bras that I can send you if you like - some of them haven't been linked already. Let me know if you want them.

[identity profile] folavril.livejournal.com 2011-10-07 03:53 pm (UTC)(link)
For bras, you might try Cacique brand from lanebryant.com. They have a huge selection, both underwired & not, & a lot of their styles come in an H cup. The Lane Bryant near me has a bra fitting service & they'll order any size for you to try on that they don't have in stock.

Nordstrom's also has a fabulous bra fitting service & one of the best selections of large cup sizes, but they tend to be pretty pricey.

[identity profile] kumquatweekend.livejournal.com 2011-10-07 03:54 pm (UTC)(link)
My mama, whose boobs make complaints of a similar nature, is seems to own every Jockey bra under the sun. She likes them all.

[identity profile] adina-atl.livejournal.com 2011-10-07 06:20 pm (UTC)(link)
My suggestion for trousers is very simple (for you). Given that elastic waistband trousers are very simple to sew, and given that they take very little fabric, usually of stuff that most sewing types have sitting around in their "stash," you offer cash, a donation to charity, or a rec set of their choice to some crafty person on your flist in return for trousers that fit.

[identity profile] luthorienne.livejournal.com 2011-10-07 06:40 pm (UTC)(link)
I would recommend suspenders for the earthling. Last time I looked, they had some quite fun ones. And, as for the cuffs, you can roll them and celebrate that by stitching on a big red button fore and aft on each cuff, or you can use the old standby of iron-on hem tape (though that leaves you with fewer options once he starts getting taller.

Somewhere in your town there is a person who could recreate those perfect trousers by creating a pattern from the old ones. It won't be cheap, but it might be worth the investment.

As for the bras: Fruit of the Loom offers a lovely seamless cotton-cup bra with an underwire. It bills itself as firm support, but it's the kind of firm support you might get from a friendly person standing behind you and cradling The Girls in protective palms. I can't recommend them highly enough.
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[identity profile] forochel.livejournal.com 2011-10-07 08:52 pm (UTC)(link)
um. braces? he'd look very cute and dapper! :D? or, um, perhaps if you went to shops that import chinese/east-asian kids clothes? in terms of sizing, I think that ought to work.

cannot help on the boob front, though, as have opposite problem. sorry!

[identity profile] suchthefangirl.livejournal.com 2011-10-07 09:25 pm (UTC)(link)
For bras, my recommendation would be to go to a really good bra shop. I have one here, but you're probably a couple of hours away from me, so I'm sure theres a closer one. The one I go to deals with women who have huge breasts like me, and ones who no longer have breasts due to operations and such. All they sell are bras (and bathing suits) and they are awesome. When I go, they take me into a room and try on lots of different styles and makers until they get ones that my breasts and I can deal with. They are pricey, but when the bra is the right cup size but the wrong size around, they fix it. I've not gotten a bra anywhere else in years. They have nursing bras, sports bras, everything. Even managed to get me a bathing suit that looked good (with underwire and everything) from them. My breasts are much happier...

[identity profile] narikalen.livejournal.com 2011-10-07 10:52 pm (UTC)(link)
For those of us who abhor the sewing needle, use the college student method: Staples.

[identity profile] cathalin.livejournal.com 2011-10-08 02:00 am (UTC)(link)
Land's End!! Ahahaha our children obviously received the same memo. Nothing scratchy! (Also Hanna Andersson but that's been mentioned, I see).

Sweatpants were the faves, but Land's End also has adjustable waist cargo type pants that are really soft especially after the first washing. Their waistband belt thingie is great and really keeps the pants on. Some of their styles come with elastic cuffs which means they fit even better as it helps them fit for a longer period of time.

I'll try to pull up specific ones later if I have time, but check Land's End boys cargo pants and sweatpants, and the Hanna sweatpants (though back in the day at least, Hannas were elastic waist but did not have a mechanism to cinch those even tighter).

Later, you're going to be looking at "slim" jeans and such, which actually I've found a great selection of at Sears.

edit: maybe something here? http://www.landsend.com/pp/SweatPants~210519_1189.html?bcc=y&action=order_more&sku_0=::RED&CM_MERCH=IDX_Boys-_-PantsShorts&origin=index

and these http://www.landsend.com/pp/LinedClimberPants~225605_1189.html?bcc=y&action=order_more&sku_0=::CLN&CM_MERCH=IDX_Boys-_-PantsShorts&origin=index

http://www.landsend.com/pp/KnitPants~224077_1189.html?bcc=y&action=order_more&sku_0=::GBT&CM_MERCH=IDX_Boys-_-PantsShorts&origin=index
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[identity profile] mutelorelei.livejournal.com 2011-10-08 07:09 am (UTC)(link)
I'm an H cup and the Le Mystere 'Dream Tisha' bra is pretty comfortable. It's a heavily padded cup style (which I prefer because I have nipples that turn into long pointed daggers all the time for no reason - they're like tiny male penises at puberty or something...). I got it from Dillard's. I think it was around $65 but it might have been a little more.

[identity profile] lady-alys.livejournal.com 2011-10-08 05:07 pm (UTC)(link)
Seconding, thirding, whatevering the advice to get yourself fitted. I've had good experiences with the lovely ladies of Nordstrom. They told me my size (DD?!? -- the last time I'd been professionally measured I'd been a B. I knew things had shifted, but I'd thought I was maybe a C). I bought a couple bras from them at full price to get me started, then have been supplementing as necessary from the much, much cheaper Nordstrom Rack. :-) Currently, my favorite brand is Natori -- supportive and comfortable.

[identity profile] tawg.livejournal.com 2011-10-09 08:56 am (UTC)(link)
I have tiny boobs, so I have no specific recommendations, but have you tried investigating sports bras? They have a lot of support without restricting your chest.

[identity profile] monkeypumpkin.livejournal.com 2011-10-09 03:41 pm (UTC)(link)
For the earthling, maybe try this brand: http://www.softclothing.net/products/soft-bottoms/

For the boobs, just a request. Would you post the brand of what you used to wear? After two kids my breasts need some serious architecture if I want them to look...well, I was going to say perky but I'd settle for rounded.

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