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Keep Hoping Machine Running ([personal profile] thefourthvine) wrote2007-03-03 01:25 am

163: A Random Blend of Families and Fashions

Do you ever have one of those Bad Fannish Idea days? Where, like, you think, "I know what'd be cool! A Fullmetal Alchemist x Supernatural crossover. Yes, I want that, despite the fact that I don't know either fandom and it would be so angst-filled that small nations would simply collapse under the weight of the despair and never really know why." Or you think, "OMG! I will buy a vidder in Sweet Charity, and I will have her vid Smallville to Thunder Road, with Lex as the narrator and Clark as Mary." (Speaking of Sweet Charity, won't some ho-ish type go over there and offer her services in Making LJs Pretty? I don't want a banner; I want someone to create general prettiness via magic, because I am really damn tired of my blue boxes. Someone must be willing to do that for a good cause!)

Anyway. I am having a Bad Fannish Idea day, obviously. (Come on! It'd be the Angsty Sons of Tragically Dead Mothers crossover. Or, OMG, a fusion, where Dean and Sam are alchemists and Sam is a suit of armor and - oh my god, this is total craziness. I don't know either fandom. Someone help me. At least give me a Bad Fannish Idea in a fandom I actually know.)

So, here is my feeble attempt at distracting myself from my Bad Fannish Ideas. (Or, like - I could buy a vidder and have her do "I Will Survive" for Jack/Daniel after Daniel's ascension: "So you're back/from outer space/I just walked in to find you here/With that same look upon your face/I should have locked the stupid gate/I should have changed your IDC/If I'd known for just one second" - oh god it's a sickness I can't stop won't someone for the love of all that is holy please help me? Think of the fandom!) Other people's Good Fannish Ideas! They can save me!

Perhaps I can catch some sanity off these stories. God, I hope so.

So, is there a theme to this set? Not really. Kind of. See, a while ago, I did the interview meme in [livejournal.com profile] vassilissa's LJ, and one of the questions she asked me was what I'm reading right now. I gave her the non-fannish answers right away, because, well, it's easy to list the books I have in my purse, on my bedside table, next to the stove, and next to the computer. (Yes. Fine. I have a reading problem. I've gotten better, okay? You should have seen me when I was little - except, wait, you couldn't have, because my face was always buried in a book.) The fannish answer, though, was a little harder.

I guess you could say right now, I'm reading sort of randomly. I'm in a phase of waiting, fannishly speaking: waiting for the next fandom to eat me alive, waiting for the next fandom I feel compelled to read through the entire catalog of and then whine bitterly for more more more. (If you've ever felt the desire to pimp me into something, now would likely be a good time.) So, while I'm waiting, I'm reading a combination of new fandoms - fandoms I don't know at all, with, of course, canons I don't know at all - and new stories in old favorite fandoms.

Let's start with the new stories in old favorite fandoms, shall we?

The One That Proves That When We Talk About How the Other Half Lives, We Really Don't Know the Half of It. (Uh, That Pun Was Unintentional. Please Forgive.) Freaky Tuesday, by [livejournal.com profile] etben. Due South, Benton Fraser/Ray Kowalski.

Oh, due South. I will forever love you, and not just because you have communities with names like [livejournal.com profile] stop_drop_porn. No, really, the love mostly comes straight from the characters themselves, and of course from the fact that in dS, anything goes. Bodyswap? Of course, no problem - if the canon had run a season longer, it would certainly have happened, and it probably would have in fact been explained just the way it is in this story: a minor error in the application of fabric arts.

(Hey, I'm not pointing fingers at the person who made the error, here. Macramé is hard. I know this for a fact because my mother took it up when I was six, mercifully briefly, for a summer that will probably be known in our official family history, in the unlikely event that someone writes one, as the Time of Unfortunate Knot-Related Incidents. Also, let me just share with you a hard lesson learned early: if someone asks you to hold something just for one second, and that person is doing a craft, don't. You'll end up knotted into a plant holder while your mother tries to figure out how to get you back out. I suppose my parents were lucky CPS didn't stop by while she was flipping through the book looking for the part titled "If You Have Accidentally Made Your Child a Permanent Part of Your Project.")

And this story reminds me of all the reasons I love and will always love dS. I mean, the way the guys adapt to being in each other's bodies - for Ray, this is just some deeper-than-usual undercover work, and for Fraser, well, he has weirder things than this in his closet, and I mean that literally. Plus, hey: it was written for [livejournal.com profile] stop_drop_porn. So there is sex. And since I firmly believe that these guys were OMG MEANT TO BE, like forever, with cherries on top (Yes. Cherries. Oh, you are totally a perv, you know that? You just read dirtiness into everything. It's why I love you.), so in love and totally doing it, the sex makes me almost as happy as the bodyswappage does.

The One That Got Me Reading a Book About a TV Show I Had Not Even Heard of Prior to Reading This Story. Yes, That's Pathetic, Because It Turns out to Have Been the Basis for One of My Favorite Shows Ever, but - I'm Slow, Okay? Five Things Sorkin Never Got to Steal from Sportscenter (But Probably Would Have, if Sports Night Hadn’t Been Cancelled), by [livejournal.com profile] scrunchy. Sports Night, gen.

Oh, Sports Night. I will forever love you, and this despite the fact that you managed to make me feel like a total idiot for not realizing that Sports Night, the show, was inspired on an actual TV show on an actual TV station. (They have shows! About sports news! On TV! Who knew? Oh, right, everyone in the whole world but me. Please hide your mocking laughter and pretend, at least to my face, that I am not pathetic and so culturally out of touch that I might as well be from Planet Zik'tch. Also, if you are in the neighborhood of Zik'tch, stop by and tell my people - no, not those people; I still have my boobs - that I miss them, okay?)

This is just - I am incoherent with glee about this story. For one, I cannot believe that these things more or less happened in the real world. For another, Scrunchy managed to convert them into the SN world so perfectly that I am starting to believe she's Aaron Sorkin reborn. (And before you say, "But Aaron Sorkin isn't dead," - look. I'm not saying he is. I'm just saying I think Scrunchy has his soul and his writing mojo. Maybe they have a timeshare arrangement or maybe she made a dark pact with the Elder Gods - I'm no expert on the metaphysics of writing, people. I just know absolutely perfect voice when I read it.) For yet another - wow, this totally gave me the best kind of emotional whiplash. It's not often that I go, within the space of a single five-things story, from real, honest laughing out loud to snuffling sadly to saying, "Awwwwwww" to the monitor, but this one makes me do that. Every single time I read it. And I will have you know I've read it an indecent amount since it was posted.

The One That Proves That the First Rule of Elf Orgies Is - Look, It Doesn't Matter, Because You All Stopped Paying the Slightest Attention As Soon As You Read the Words "Elf Orgies," Didn't You? An Earthly Knight, by [livejournal.com profile] ltlj. Stargate: Atlantis, John Sheppard/original female characters, John Sheppard/original male characters.

Oh, SGA. I will forever love you (and, yes, you do qualify as an old favorite now, so there), because - well, just look at this story. John turns into an elf. ([livejournal.com profile] ltlj has, um, some pictorial evidence that he maybe didn't have that far to go, which she might show you if she's feeling nice.) And it's just - well, of course he does. It's the Pegasus Galaxy! These things happen! If the characters have any sense, they're just thinking, "Well, it could be worse. He could be a feral elf vampire. With wings."

And, see, in another fandom, any story with this concept (and certainly any story with the rating "NC-17 for elfsex" - I mean, except in LotR) would be crack (...and if anyone mentions elf MPreg drawings right now, that's five points off the house of all humanity, and ten more if anyone links to them), but this is SGA. So it isn't crack. It's just a bunch of folks asking themselves that eternal question: what do you do with a feral elf? My own personal answer would be, "Run," but this is why I am not cut out for life in Pegasus, I suppose. The characters just knuckle down to some problem solving, Pegasus-style. (Except John, who knuckles down to the elf orgies. It's hard to be John Sheppard, folks.)

Note, by the way: this was written for the awesome [livejournal.com profile] 14valentines project, which I admire more than I can possibly say. It's over for this year, now - god forbid I should ever recommend anything in a timely fashion - but you can still hit the community and check out all the awesomeness it inspired. And you can still give to the causes it was built to support, because, sadly, women are still in need.

The One That Made Me Nostalgic for Peanut Butter Sandwiches, Which Is Odd, Because I Only Started Eating Peanut Butter Sandwiches This Year. Feel That, by [livejournal.com profile] fearlessfan. Friday Night Lights, Tyra Collette/Jason Street.

Yes, this would mark my subtle transition from fandoms I love to fandoms I, well, barely know. Fandoms, if you will, that I have slept with a few times, and now I'm trying to figure out their last names and if I want to hook up again with them on the weekend, and, like, do I have their phone number, even? Normally I try to avoid recommending stories when I'm in this stage with fandoms, mostly because it involves a lot of embarrassing things like admitting to myself that I don't know the full names of the characters, even, and cannot say what is canon and what is not, and in fact could not testify in court that the canon even exists. All I can say is, blame [livejournal.com profile] vassilissa. She asked.

So. I can't tell you anything at all about Friday Night Lights. (It's about teenagers! In Texas! Who play football! So actually I do know stuff. Just not, you know, minor details. Like names and things.) But I can tell you that I love this story, because, well. First, this is high school, people. Or perhaps I should say, "this is adolescence." I mean, I did not go to a small, football-obsessed high school in Texas - one could, in fact, say I didn't really go to high school at all, in any practical sense. But I did my time as an adolescent, as we all must. And that, of course, means I did my share of adolescent stuff (and also the shares of at least three random strangers - I was very dedicated to the whole teen experience, or at least the really stupid parts). And, wow - in this story, [livejournal.com profile] fearlessfan so perfectly captures the feeling of adolescence - the intensity, the awkwardness, the surprising moments of sweetness, the less-surprising moments of sourness, the way things change, the way small moments are really really huge.

Basically, I love this story because it made me like the characters. It made me believe in the characters. What more can I say?

The One That Proves That, No Matter What Hallmark Might Try to Tell You, an Anachronism Is Really the Greatest Gift of All. The Discovery, by [livejournal.com profile] kaneko. Torchwood, Jack Harkness/Ianto Jones. (Hey, I only had to look up last names for half of this pairing! I already knew Jack Harkness, and I'm very proud of that, despite the fact that I believe everyone in fandom has heard of him by now. The man seems to, um. Get around a bit.)

Some of you may be aware that I have a time travel kink. And when I say "kink," I am - well, wildly understating the matter.

I've said this before, but - I watched the 2002 movie of The Time Machine with incredible enjoyment, despite the fact that - as Best Beloved pointed out to me when we left the theater - it, well, sucked. Because: time travel. You take a character, you send him through time, and I will be captivated and happy, even if the part of my brain that has actual intelligent function is sending out desperate cries of, "OMG help cannot take the suckage SAVE US." My point: time travel hits me in my primitive hindbrain, and my primitive hindbrain doesn't care if something sucks.

But this story, this story is the precise opposite of suck: it made my hindbrain and my actual brain happy. If time travel = happy TFV, then time travel + good story = TFV weak with joy. I mean, I don't know these characters at all - I understand that Jack is a stuck time traveler, and I hear he's in charge of a team of (possibly) lovable misfits in modern-day Cardiff, but that's where all my understanding ends - but I didn't need to know them to love this story. And I don't want to spoil the central plot point, here, but - god, it works. It's so perfectly normal, and then it's so perfectly time travel, and I loved every minute of Jack's reaction to this situation, I loved loved loved the plot point, I just - I loved the story, okay? And it satisfied the voracious beast that lives in my hindbrain and shrieks non-stop for time travel stories.

Really, I could not ask for more or better than that. Except maybe more of the same. The hindbrain beast is ever hungry, you know.

[identity profile] misspamela.livejournal.com 2007-03-03 09:30 am (UTC)(link)
I could pimp you into Invisible Man!

[identity profile] thefourthvine.livejournal.com 2007-03-03 11:42 am (UTC)(link)
Totally possible! Best Beloved has even seen a few of the eps, and expressed interest in seeing more, which is always happy news. (The tried-and-true, [livejournal.com profile] fanofall-tested method of pimping me into a new fandom involves getting Best Beloved to watch the canon while supplying me with excellent fan fiction. Last time I tried IM, I had a hard time finding FF, so if you've got links... *makes inviting gesture*)

Although, I'm curious - why IM?

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Do you ever have one of those Bad Fannish Idea days?

I'm not sure I have a proper answer to this question.

[identity profile] thefourthvine.livejournal.com 2007-03-03 11:42 am (UTC)(link)
I'll totally take an improper one.

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[personal profile] abbylee 2007-03-03 10:21 am (UTC)(link)
Do you mostly mean you want some help figuring out which built in theme/layout you like and then applying a new set of pretty colours? Or am I being horribly dense?

(Me, I like the really basic ones, although a little less basic than the unfinished one I'm using/writing right now.)

[identity profile] thefourthvine.livejournal.com 2007-03-03 11:50 am (UTC)(link)
*helpless hand gestures*

Okay, first know this: I can't switch from Flexible Squares; it's the only one that allows me my Sidebar of Extreme Anal-Retentiveness. And I have to use the advanced customization thingy, so part of my problem is that all editing now requires, like, a degree in S2, which I don't have.

But mostly I just - see, I am not a visual person. At all. But I look at other people's LJs, and they are pretty. And mine is not pretty, and also at this point really really boring to me - I mean, I'm the only one who really sees it, but I see it every day, and also it does not look as good, in terms of colors, on my new monitor as it did on my old one, and that is not helping. So mostly I guess I want someone to tell me what to do, how to make it prettier without losing the functionality that I need (Flexible Squares, a layer that I can easily modify every time I add a new tag that I need indexed). And I don't need a big fannish banner or anything, though I like the little non-fannish ones that some people have, but I have no graphical talent, so I'm thinking a small non-fannish (or all-fannish) banner is unlikely to happen.

You see my problem? I don't even know what I want. Except: prettiness. Less - boxiness. Possibly a new and more pleasant color scheme. Do you have suggestions for ways that this could happen? I am very open to this! And I would be most grateful!

*looks sadly at own LJ*

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[identity profile] ficbyzee.livejournal.com 2007-03-03 10:43 am (UTC)(link)
If you've ever felt the desire to pimp me into something, now would likely be a good time.

How do you feel about RPS?

[identity profile] thefourthvine.livejournal.com 2007-03-03 11:57 am (UTC)(link)
Well, one answer to that would be, "Fine, provided everyone has been dead for a while, or at least is in no way a celebrity in my own brain." Because, see, I have a squick, but it's not an RPF squick so much as a celebrity squick: celebrities ick me out. (Seriously. Best Beloved works in a very celebrity-infested part of our city, and I have to cover my ears and cower when she mentions encountering them at restaurants or city meetings or whatever. My reaction is basically the same as my reaction to zombies, except celebrities walk among us and are thus much ickier. *shudders*) I just - I guess some sadly twisted part of my brain is deeply uncomfortable with the knowledge that celebrities actually exist. I'm happier when I can pretend they're just fictional creations of entertainment media outlets.

No, I don't understand it either. My brain is weird.

But the short answer is: sadly, you will not be pimping me into Fall Out Boy fandom (oh, like I didn't know exactly what you meant) unless you can first fix my brain. Which - I am totally open to brain fixing! Just, I'm not sure it's possible.

*raps knuckles on skull to see if the ferrets who live inside are feeling sane today*

*comes to the conclusion that they are as crazed as ever*

*sighs*

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[identity profile] sheldrake.livejournal.com 2007-03-03 10:54 am (UTC)(link)
I, too, had a childhood briefly blighted by macrame. It was one in a long line of my mother's fads which also included wood-carving, stained glass, and building radios from scratch.

I also have the time travel kink. I wonder if the two things are connected?

I hear he's in charge of a team of (possibly) lovable misfits

Completely right except for the lovable bit. But anyway, my hindbrain says thank you very much for reccing a time travel story! :)

[identity profile] thefourthvine.livejournal.com 2007-03-03 12:05 pm (UTC)(link)
I, too, had a childhood briefly blighted by macrame. It was one in a long line of my mother's fads which also included wood-carving, stained glass, and building radios from scratch.

*bonds*

My mother was not meant for hobbies, and after a while I think she got that, but my youth was greatly marred by her attempts to develop one. Like, she's actually an incredible gardener/plant-grower-person (which I did not inherit from her - I kill plants merely by becoming aware of their existence), but during roughly the same time period as the Unfortunate Macrame Experiment, she started a garden in which she planted twenty-four zucchini plants. There were four of us. I will leave you to imagine the many creative uses we found for zucchini in the months that followed the first zucchini's appearance. (It's a tribute to my love of vegetables that I'm still quite fond of zucchini, although I remain surprised that I have to pay for them, since in my youth everyone was so desperate to give them away.)

My mother did the stained-glass thing, too. (And pottery, and leatherworking, and needlecrafts.) But she never built radios. I'm sad about this; I would have enjoyed the radio building, I think.

I also have the time travel kink. I wonder if the two things are connected?

We should investigate this thoroughly. Maybe early exposure to unfortunate crafts leaves children with a need to go back in time and prevent the craft from ever developing. Which, of course, leads to a time travel kink.

Or maybe we just spent a lot of time hiding from our craft-ridden mothers, reading time travel stories.

Completely right except for the lovable bit.

Not lovable, then? What adjectives are more appropriate? *prepares to take notes*

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[identity profile] kyuuketsukirui.livejournal.com 2007-03-03 11:53 am (UTC)(link)
I will forever love you, and this despite the fact that you managed to make me feel like a total idiot for not realizing that Sports Night, the show, was inspired on an actual TV show on an actual TV station.

Hey, it's okay. For years, I thought Sports Night was an actual sports show and that any fic about it was RPS.

[identity profile] thefourthvine.livejournal.com 2007-03-03 12:07 pm (UTC)(link)
Thank you! I actually feel much better now. I am not alone in my Sports Night-linked cultural misapprehensions! (And, fortunately, I was pimped into SN by a person who doesn't do RPS, or else I might well have made the same mistake.)

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[personal profile] vaznetti 2007-03-03 01:23 pm (UTC)(link)
Every day is bad Fannish Idea Day in my brain! Usually, this manifests as crossovers that should never be, which I keep locked away safely in my brain.

I thought everyone's brains were like that.

[identity profile] thefourthvine.livejournal.com 2007-03-04 11:21 am (UTC)(link)
Usually, this manifests as crossovers that should never be, which I keep locked away safely in my brain.

That is against the fannish code, you know; you're supposed to share stuff like that, so we can all feel less crazed when we, for example, begin plotting to send other cops to other times a la Life on Mars. (Benton Fraser! In 1860! Is he mad, in a coma, or traveling through time? All three, obviously. Jim Ellison => the Stonewall era = Awesome! And so on!)

I thought everyone's brains were like that.

Well, yeah, to a degree. But sometimes the ideas just latch on and will not let go, and when you're considering learning two new canons - and you don't typically know any canons - solely to write a crossover that no one would read, I believe it has become a whole Bad Fannish Idea day, as opposed to merely the normal malfunctions of the fannish mind. (Actually, it's proving to be a Bad Fannish Idea week, because I still think SPN and Fullmetal Alchemist were designed to be fused.)

Stargate & Teal'c & Gloria Gaynor

[identity profile] taverymate.livejournal.com 2007-03-03 01:51 pm (UTC)(link)
(Or, like - I could buy a vidder and have her do "I Will Survive" for Jack/Daniel after Daniel's ascension: "So you're back/from outer space/I just walked in to find you here/With that same look upon your face/I should have locked the stupid gate/I should have changed your IDC/If I'd known for just one second" - oh god it's a sickness I can't stop won't someone for the love of all that is holy please help me? Think of the fandom!)

Proof that one fan's "Bad Fannish Idea" is another's "Best Idea Ever!" -

"I Will Survive" has already been vidded (at least once) in Stargate - and I'm actually quite fond of the vid. Back in 2002, Wimsy used Gloria Gaynor's version of "I Will Survive" for a Teal'c and "a special friend" vid. She said it was: "Meant to be a lighthearted look at one of the show's more, errr, interesting relationships."

Wimsy's Stargate vids:
http://members.shaw.ca/wimsy/

And in a similar vein, I love Carol S' vid for Teal'c, "We'll Meet Again" which was made in 2004. Look in the Stargate section for the vid. Site is password protected, but worth the extra step.

Triptych Vids (Carol's vids - along with Jackie & Destina):
http://www.triptychvids.com

Re: Stargate & Teal'c & Gloria Gaynor

[identity profile] thefourthvine.livejournal.com 2007-03-04 11:28 am (UTC)(link)
Hi! Yay! I thought you were gone forever! *hugs you delightedly*

"I Will Survive" has already been vidded (at least once) in Stargate - and I'm actually quite fond of the vid. Back in 2002, Wimsy used Gloria Gaynor's version of "I Will Survive" for a Teal'c and "a special friend" vid. She said it was: "Meant to be a lighthearted look at one of the show's more, errr, interesting relationships."

*downloads instantly*

But, no, the SG1 + "I Will Survive" doesn't by itself make it a LKBV type idea. It's using the song in reference to the biggest angst arc of the entire ten year series: Daniel's ascension and return. And making it look as though Jack is like, "You fucker, you're back?" That is what adds the special badness to the idea, in my opinion.

...You know, the more I think about it, the closer I inch toward buying anyone willing to vid SG1 in SC, solely for that purpose. It could be a Bad Fannish Idea whose time has come.

And in a similar vein, I love Carol S' vid for Teal'c, "We'll Meet Again" which was made in 2004. Look in the Stargate section for the vid. Site is password protected, but worth the extra step.

Oh, god, yes. I love Carol's entire oeuvre; they were some of my first SG1 vids, those and the others from the triptych. (I am still deeply in love with the Schoolhouse Rock trio of SG1 vids.) Actually, they were some of my first vids, too. *overwhelmed with nostalgia*

[identity profile] flambeau.livejournal.com 2007-03-03 02:41 pm (UTC)(link)
I should have locked the stupid gate/I should have changed your IDC

*proposes marriage* Or, um. Blogging in sin? I would totally blog in sin with you.

I have no new fandoms to suggest for pimping; right now I'm wandering through the archive of an old fandom, TPM, consumed with fond nostalgia, for reasons which will shortly become apparent. :)

[identity profile] thefourthvine.livejournal.com 2007-03-04 11:39 am (UTC)(link)
*accepts instantly*

Oh, yes, come blog with me and be my love. Perhaps we can get disapproving looks from our virtual neighbors and be righteously defriended by everyone!

I have no new fandoms to suggest for pimping; right now I'm wandering through the archive of an old fandom, TPM, consumed with fond nostalgia, for reasons which will shortly become apparent.

Oh, you fictease. (At least, I assume you're talking about a story. Whatever it is, you have, in mentioning it, now triggered a bout of malignant curiosity. Which, you realize, turns our whole blogging-in-sin story into a tragedy; I will cough twice in my first entry, and in my last one will expire romantically and poetically, perhaps in dactylic hexameter, while you post "NOOOOOOOOOOO" in all caps and 16-point font and with far too many exclamation points.)

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[identity profile] dessert-first.livejournal.com 2007-03-03 03:19 pm (UTC)(link)
Oh, thank you so much for the due South rec! I'll, uh, be in my bunk.

[identity profile] thefourthvine.livejournal.com 2007-03-04 11:41 am (UTC)(link)
*nods*

Really, [livejournal.com profile] stop_drop_porn has brought so much to the dS community. It's a concept every fandom could use, I think.

*pauses for a moment to give thanks*

[identity profile] kitaloon.livejournal.com 2007-03-03 03:57 pm (UTC)(link)
I should have locked the stupid gate/I should have changed your IDC...

Words cannot describe my love for you right now.

My family's one and only experiment with macrame ended when my mom came home and found the cat swinging by three sets of claws from a hanging braided plant holder, with the flowerpot in shards on the floor. Just as my experiments in becoming a worldwide-famous frisbee thrower ended when I knocked the ear off a ceramic Nativity cow. So many blossoming careers in my house ended with things breaking.

[identity profile] thefourthvine.livejournal.com 2007-03-04 11:48 am (UTC)(link)
My family's one and only experiment with macrame ended when my mom came home and found the cat swinging by three sets of claws from a hanging braided plant holder, with the flowerpot in shards on the floor.

So the take home lesson here is: macrame + cat = no. (Although, actually, I think we could simplify those terms a bit. How 'bout just: macrame = no? Works for me.)

So many blossoming careers in my house ended with things breaking.

I was the youngest. And we had a very active puppy in my youth. So by the time we got to my mother's hobby-seeking phase, we really didn't have a lot left that could be broken, at least not without a serious investment of time and effort. (My parents would never have asked themselves why they couldn't have nice things, because the answer was so obvious: the kids. And the dog.)

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[identity profile] norah.livejournal.com 2007-03-03 04:18 pm (UTC)(link)
I'm fond of Torchwood. And you would like SPN gen, but if/since you read like I do (only with incest and RPS squicks *g*), I know a gen-only fandom doesn't really appeal to you. But yeah, I got nothing. I love Heroes, but not for the fic, and ... yeah. I think Torchwood, in terms of prolificness and themes and stuff, is probably your best bet for a Shiny New Fandom.

You will like this: http://xwingace.livejournal.com/58308.html which explains what happened to make Jack lose a few years fo memories and should hit your time travel kinks (gen), and [livejournal.com profile] melina123's delicious is a great resource for recs.

[identity profile] thefourthvine.livejournal.com 2007-03-04 11:56 am (UTC)(link)
And you would like SPN gen, but if/since you read like I do (only with incest and RPS squicks *g*), I know a gen-only fandom doesn't really appeal to you.

See, it's not so much that - I have fandoms where I prefer gen, and I'd probably love SPN gen if I could figure out how to get into the fandom without being able to watch any of the canon, or being able to read any of the porn. It's the getting into it part I can't figure out how to do. (And I'm not helped by the fact that I've tried a few stories labeled "gen" that were actually Sam/Dean. I don't expect people to warn for my squicks, but I would so very much love it if people used what labels they did apply correctly.)

You will like this: http://xwingace.livejournal.com/58308.html which explains what happened to make Jack lose a few years fo memories and should hit your time travel kinks (gen), and melina123's delicious is a great resource for recs.

*clicks with joy*

And I must find Melina's del.icio.us immediately. I can see I've been missing out.
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[personal profile] dafna 2007-03-03 04:35 pm (UTC)(link)
Thanks so much for the SN rec. I have always maintained that "Countdown with Keith Olbermann" is secretly an AU where Casey gave up sports and became a news anchor.

[identity profile] thefourthvine.livejournal.com 2007-03-04 11:59 am (UTC)(link)
Um. I. Will I sound hopelessly pathetic if I confess I had to Google "Countdown with Keith Olbermann"? Because I did. But now that I know what it is, I agree with you. (Just - Dan! Where is Dan in that AU? Please tell me the answer is, "Happily writing books and living in joyous forever love with Casey, which is why they don't work together any more. But Dan's still in the studio for every one of Casey's broadcasts, because there's this moment, just before he goes on the air, when Casey looks around, and catches Dan's eye, and that moment is what makes the whole thing work. *wears Hopeless OTPer hat with pride*)
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[identity profile] gwynevere1.livejournal.com 2007-03-03 05:14 pm (UTC)(link)
If you've ever felt the desire to pimp me into something, now would likely be a good time.

Have you ever read any The Phantom of the Opera fanfic? Some of the things you're said in this blog have suggested that you're familiar with the canon. If not basically: crazy deformed murderous manipulative genius in the basement in love with beautiful young soprano who's in love with sweet normal aristocratic dude. Angst, angst, and more angst ensues.

I can recommend you hundreds of thousand a few dozen fics if you are interested.


I guess you could say right now, I'm reading sort of randomly. I'm in a phase of waiting, fannishly speaking: waiting for the next fandom to eat me alive
I'm personally on tenderhooks for the influx of new Pirates of the Caribbean fic that's guaranteed after the next movie.

[identity profile] thefourthvine.livejournal.com 2007-03-04 12:03 pm (UTC)(link)
I am indeed familiar with the canon - the musical and the movie, actually. (Although, wow, I'm impressed that you've picked that up from reading my LJ, since I can't remember ever mentioning it. You are a highly skilled intertextual interpreter, obviously.)

I can recommend you a few dozen fics if you are interested.

Hit me! *waits hopefully*

I'm personally on tenderhooks for the influx of new Pirates of the Caribbean fic that's guaranteed after the next movie.

Ooo, good point. *more hopeful waiting*

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[identity profile] notpoetry.livejournal.com 2007-03-03 05:22 pm (UTC)(link)
Oh man, SportsCenter and Sports Night. You know Keith Olbermann (originally of SportsCenter, now of Countdown on MSNBC)? Casey McCall was based on him. And Keith himself is basically sheer happiness personified. (Seriously, if you ever need to have your faith in the news media restored, go to YouTube and search for his stuff. The Special Comments where he rips into the Bush administration ... joy!) And [livejournal.com profile] scrunchy has this thing called the Pundit Round Table where Keith and Jon Stewart and Stephen Colbert and Anderson Cooper sit around at lunch and banter. And sometimes Dan and Casey show up. In other words, it is a reason for living.

[identity profile] thefourthvine.livejournal.com 2007-03-04 12:08 pm (UTC)(link)
You know Keith Olbermann (originally of SportsCenter, now of Countdown on MSNBC)? Casey McCall was based on him.

I know that now. Why did you people not inform me of all this years ago? I have been wandering in the wilderness of - okay, my own cluelessness and stupidity. I can't really shift the blame on this one. Still - lost! In the wilderness! It's very sad!

And if there's anything else really obvious that I should know, can you just tell me now? It's best for my ego if I get it all out of the way in one big dose.

Seriously, if you ever need to have your faith in the news media restored, go to YouTube and search for his stuff. The Special Comments where he rips into the Bush administration ... joy!

I only recently began hearing of this Keith Olbermann (...yes, fine, I'm out of it, go ahead and mock me), but his Use the Google thing that someone linked me to - oh, that was made of joy. When he quoted Condoleeza Rice, I shrieked at YouTube, "But that's exactly what we DID DO!" And then, a few minutes later, so did he. It made me want to hug him in an over-personal and inappropriate fashion.

[identity profile] auburnnothenna.livejournal.com 2007-03-03 05:43 pm (UTC)(link)
What do you mean vidding Stargate to 'I Will Survive' is a Bad Idea? I do that in my head whenever I hear it. The only thing that saves the rest of the world from the experience is my inability to actually vid. Which come to think of it, is something you should all be very, very, very grateful for. Or there would be a Desperado/Once Upon a Time in Mexico vid to 'Fernando.'

[identity profile] thefourthvine.livejournal.com 2007-03-04 12:12 pm (UTC)(link)
OMG LEARN TO VID RIGHT NOW PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE. I mean it. You - I would - Fernando. Oh, it's so perfect. And you could make the I Will Survive vid, too. You are clearly Meant to Vid! Surrender to destiny!

*makes Doe Eyes of Begging*
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[identity profile] phineasjones.livejournal.com 2007-03-03 06:05 pm (UTC)(link)
man. your little ode to due south there had me all a-sniffle. LOVE!

[identity profile] thefourthvine.livejournal.com 2007-03-04 12:14 pm (UTC)(link)
Oh, dS. The fandom of my heart. (No, seriously - someday I will get someone to make me a dS icon with a big pink heart on it, because I love it just that much.) Fandoms come and go, but dS is eternal.

*cuddles up to the entire fandom and expresses incoherent, rambling love for it*

[identity profile] http://users.livejournal.com/_divya_/ 2007-03-03 06:58 pm (UTC)(link)
My version of a Bad Fannish Idea is wondering why no one has vidded SPN to Rob Zombie's song, Two Lane Blacktop. It seems like a GREAT idea to me (all about driving and roadtrips), but then I figure that there must be a reason that no one's done it and I just don't know what it is.

(FYI, Rob Zombie? Not an actual zombie. ::pets you::)

[identity profile] thefourthvine.livejournal.com 2007-03-04 12:19 pm (UTC)(link)
It seems like a GREAT idea to me (all about driving and roadtrips), but then I figure that there must be a reason that no one's done it and I just don't know what it is.

Well, obviously no one else has done it because this brilliance was reserved for your brain and your brain alone. Now your job is to a) start vidding or b) foist the brilliance off on someone else. *intones* The choice is yours, but choose wisely: with great fannish inspiration comes great fannish responsibility.

(FYI, Rob Zombie? Not an actual zombie. ::pets you::)

*nods*

I had always hoped this to be true, but it's good to know for sure. (I mean, the vampire Lestat was a rock star, so a zombie could totally be - oh, wait, whoops. I'm channeling Anne Rice again, getting confused on those "reality" and "fiction" concepts. Sorry!)

[identity profile] laughingacademy.livejournal.com 2007-03-03 08:14 pm (UTC)(link)
I hear he's in charge of a team of (possibly) lovable misfits in modern-day Cardiff

I am not as familiar with Torchwood as I would like to be (*shakes tiny fist at American cable television*), but I get the impression that all of the characters take turns wearing the Hero, Woobie, and Flaming Arsehole Hats. Also, given your stated kink for characters who express their love by threatening to shoot or actually shooting each other, this is so the canon for you.

[identity profile] thefourthvine.livejournal.com 2007-03-04 12:21 pm (UTC)(link)
I get the impression that all of the characters take turns wearing the Hero, Woobie, and Flaming Arsehole Hats.

The team that shares because it cares! Or, you know, bad writing. One or the other.

Also, given your stated kink for characters who express their love by threatening to shoot or actually shooting each other, this is so the canon for you.

Oh my god. There is true love demonstrated via gunshot in this canon? Why did no one mention this to me before?

*heads off in search of TW eps*

[identity profile] fearlessfan.livejournal.com 2007-03-03 09:33 pm (UTC)(link)
Oh, wow, this post made my day! Thank you so much for the lovely rec.

Have you watched FNL at all? It's so great. FNL does a better job with authentically recreating teenage-dom than any other TV show I've watched recently. Yes, there are lots of twenty-something actors playing sixteen-year-olds, but they believably act like teenagers to me. Great show.

[identity profile] thefourthvine.livejournal.com 2007-03-04 12:28 pm (UTC)(link)
Have you watched FNL at all?

Well, no. I pretty much, um, don't watch TV. (We don't even have a way to get broadcast television.) Instead, I wait until it comes out on DVD (or sometimes I obtain it through, um, other means), have Best Beloved watch it, and then sort of get a "best parts" version from her. (Sometimes this means whole episodes, or even - as with Life on Mars - most of a season. Sometimes this means a five-minute summary. Best Beloved is awesome at getting me through TV canons; without her, I'd never see any TV at all.)

Yes, there are lots of twenty-something actors playing sixteen-year-olds, but they believably act like teenagers to me.

Interesting. See, in the "all about me" post I've never actually posted, I quantify my general fandom preferences. Like, I know I prefer for the characters to be older rather than younger. And now I wonder - is that solely because I find older characters more interesting? (Because, in general, I do. But I can think of specific cases where I find younger characters just as interesting, and usually those are a) books that are b) very well-written.) Or is it also because the way younger characters are presented is often so very, painfully unrealistic, especially on TV?

*ponders*

Perhaps FNL would be a good test for this.

*ponders further*
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[personal profile] lorem_ipsum 2007-03-03 10:00 pm (UTC)(link)
OMG you love time travel stories and yet you have not been sucked into the Who/Torchwood vortex?!

I second makesmewannadie's rec for xwingace's story.

The canon seriously annoyed me the first time through, but I couldn't stop watching. The second time, it was all pure glee. They have angst, crack, humor, pretty, and canon slash.

Here's the crack_van fandom overview. "We're going to save Great Britain the world from aliens so bring lube. Also condoms. Yes, you will need them."

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[personal profile] watersword 2007-03-03 11:47 pm (UTC)(link)
Do you ever have one of those Bad Fannish Idea days?

What, you mean like the lotrips/Good Omens/Christina Skye crossover? (Christina Skye is -- shut up, I can hear you laughing already -- a contemporary romance novelist whose work is my most favorite sekrit guilty pleasure.) Because I totally don't have eight pages of that written. Oh no.

Although, seriously, I feel like the SGA idea I got yesterday from the front page of the New York Times arts section should be a BFI. And yet? It is so much less cracktastic than, like, anything I read today. Kill me now.

[identity profile] thefourthvine.livejournal.com 2007-03-04 12:34 pm (UTC)(link)
Because I totally don't have eight pages of that written. Oh no.

I - huh. I am strangely intrigued, because how does that even work?

Although, seriously, I feel like the SGA idea I got yesterday from the front page of the New York Times arts section should be a BFI.

Again, I am intrigued. And I seriously doubt it's a BFI; I mean, SGA just works so well with concepts that would be massive BFIs in other fandoms.

Kill me now.

Is it okay if I just pester you to tell me the idea instead?

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[identity profile] sinsense.livejournal.com 2007-03-04 12:14 am (UTC)(link)
Oh lord, you're into Friday Night Lights, even peripherally. I am a happy woman.

[identity profile] thefourthvine.livejournal.com 2007-03-04 12:38 pm (UTC)(link)
Well, I'm trying to get into FNL. We're doing that thing where we're flirting and maybe making out a little bit, and it's just a question of - can I go the whole way with this fandom? If I do, what kind of protection do I need? And should I get the fandom's name and address first?

Hmmm. Perhaps I am overworking the fandom as sex metaphor. Wait, no, that's crazy talk; fandom is sex.

(Also, the fact that you're into FNL is just more evidence in its favor. When all the people with really great taste are urging me to climb into bed with a given fandom, I take note. *takes note*)

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Timetravel fic/Torchwood babble

[identity profile] apatheia-jane.livejournal.com 2007-03-04 01:27 am (UTC)(link)
Yunno torchwood has a time travel ep, right? & that's not even counting the Dr-related timetravel hijinx, because the Dr is not allowed to actually appear in a spin-off series. Jack in the 1940's was oh so pretty. See, the first time (as far as we know) he was in the 1940's (of many, I think he likes it there), Jack picked a dead war hero, fudged his records, stole his name & used his identity to run a con. Then later (50 years chronologically & not-even-he-knows how long on his own time scale), he slips back to earlier in the 1940's, & meets Capt. Jack Harkness. The original gorgeous dashing war hero, still alive, one night only. My housemate & I had a Lord King Bad Vid challenge, because their one night together is so adorable & angsty & sappy. All 3 vids here (http://community.livejournal.com/at_the_ritz/12561.html?mode=reply) at the comm dedicated to Jack on Jack action.

If you like time travel, you'll love she can drive as fast as me but she stops at all the lights (http://minervacat.livejournal.com/954701.html).
SG-1/Torchwood crossover, Jack/Vala.
"So tell me something," she said, leaning forward in the seat and showing off a pair of breasts that Jack remembered were fairly spectacular.

"In five years, we're going to fuck in the bathroom of Milliways," he said.

"Well, that's not news," Vala said. "Honestly, look at you. I'd be a fool to pass that opportunity up."


Or... actually, not really a time travel. Just a crossover between Rome and BSG. Galactica finds a planet inhabited by primitive human society. Felix Gaeta (navigation officer, assorted tech skills, idealistic, a bit broken now, ethical & urbane & very smart, heroworship crush on Dr Gaius Baltar, [who is a genius, who gets elected president & works with the cylons & signs death warrants & breaks poor Felix's heart so bad]) gets captured by Marc Antony (tv series version), who jic you don't know is hot, brutal, crass, easily amused and have I mentioned hot? On the day he was to give a speech at Caeser's funeral, he refused to get out of bed til someone fucked him. Likes fucking pretty people, loves a good battle. But it kinda reads like a time travel fic, just because of the completely disparate levels of technology, & the fact that Antony is a historical figure.

And, the natural conclusion: Erogatio (http://community.livejournal.com/vintagemilitary/4296.html#cutid1). If I only knew Antony through fanfic, I'd think he just made camp, surrounded by lots of soldierboys, wherever it suited him, & waited for hot strangers from other fandoms to be brought to him by confused sentries. And if I know anything about Capt. Jack, it's that he does indeed get around, & he will show up wherever there are gorgeous men, women, or alien life forms with extra hands/breasts/mouths/whatever, in any country/time period/universe. So, this crossover was utterly inevitable.

Re: Timetravel fic/Torchwood babble

[identity profile] apatheia-jane.livejournal.com 2007-03-04 01:32 am (UTC)(link)
*facepalm*, I forgot to link the BSG/Rome fic.

To the victor, the spoils (http://community.livejournal.com/rome_fic/25916.html).

OT, but please don't ever change your sidebar of anal retentive love. It makes things very easy for the lazy fan who can't be bothered getting around to organizing her own bookmarks *shameface*.

[identity profile] janet-carter.livejournal.com 2007-03-04 05:03 pm (UTC)(link)
See, I knew that Sports Night was based on SportsCenter, and that there was a SportsCenter book, and yet I didn't make the connection that reading the book might be enjoyable until a couple of weeks ago (just a few days before I came across [livejournal.com profile] scrunchy's story, coincidentally). It's like a book-length Sports Night AU! Published in 1997, via time travel!

[identity profile] thefourthvine.livejournal.com 2007-03-06 11:49 am (UTC)(link)
(Side note: why do I not have a Sports Night icon? That is so wrong!)

And I am fully expecting the book to be awesome; I got it solely because of Scrunchy's story, and now you say that it is like an AU! Of SN! Curiously written before the actual canon! I am very excited. *bounces*

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