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Keep Hoping Machine Running ([personal profile] thefourthvine) wrote2006-01-18 02:31 pm
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Rant: Is There a DSM-IV Category for Fan Fiction Induced Insanity?

I haven't been sleeping much lately. This means I've reading a lot of FF. (Yes, even more than usual. But, on the bright side, not quite enough to qualify me for an intervention at the Fan Mental Health Clinic.) Which means that it's time for another damn rant. (If you're new here: in rants, the cut tag indicates mean-spiritedness and general pedantry. Click at your own risk.)

I swear that I will get back to recommending actual FF very, very soon. And it will be even sooner if we could all attend to a few small matters before I lose my mind.



Sentients only, please. Or, to put it another way: could we please stop granting quite so much volition to individual body parts? By which I mean - if you're writing something, like for example a sex scene, and character A shoves his tongue into character B's mouth, please don't write as though the tongue just crawled in there on its own. If you write, "his tongue reached for hers," I'm expecting tentacle porn, okay? I'm expecting Alien-based horror tentacle porn, as, like, the tongue spears into her mouth, implants her with eggs, and then rips her brain out. I'm not thinking, "Aw, they're kissing. How sweet." I am writhing in anticipation of looming terror. And, yes, fear does lead to arousal blah blah blah, but alien implantation scenes in the middle of smut lead to insanity. Attribute the action to the person performing it. At least most of the time. I'm begging you.

Zombies need brains! I, on the other hand, think I'm seeing too many of them. Or rather, I'm seeing too much of the phrase "sucking his brains out through his cock." I mean, yes, I get it. I got the last few thousand times someone used this phrase in FF. And it's starting to sound...well, creepy. Eerie. Like a really mutant zombie-related fetish, basically. I'll be reading along in a sex scene, and this phrase will occur, and I have this moment of nervous tension, wondering if the character giving the blowjob is really a secret zombie. (Worse, I sometimes also consider the physics of this, which is the kind of thought that can put a person off sex for life.) So, you know, it's a fine phrase. But could we give it a rest, please? Let it lie fallow for a bit? Or maybe we could implement some kind of rationing system. You know, a quota. On Mondays, people whose names begin with A-E can use it, and on Tuesdays F-J, and so on. On Sundays we all get a day of rest from the phrase. What blissful Sundays those would be.

You do not drop kisses. Go ahead, try it. You will find your lips remain firmly attached to your face no matter how hard you try to drop them on someone else. Or if they don't, you might want to see a doctor. You may be a zombie. (If so, try to get your fix the normal way. Gnawing on people's skulls was enough for zombies when I was young, and there's no need to get all fancy with it now. Sucking brains out through cocks is just not on, people. You may be undead, but you can still have class.)

Oh my god no more essence ever I mean it. If come is the essence of a man, he's not worth thinking about, let alone writing about. And if someone is touching someone else's essence, you'd better be writing Descartes/Schopenhauer and not just some random buttsex.

You need lips to kiss. So, take cocks, for example. They do not have lips and thus should not kiss each other. You would not write a story in which cocks hold hands and go on a picnic and declare love for each other and maybe whisper sweet nothings in each other's ears. The kissing cock is just the PG-13 version of that story, people. (Or potentially a quaint and curious pub name soon to appear on the cover of a Martha Grimes novel. Unless somebody stops her while there's still time. Not that I am suggesting anything, mind you.)

Forget the lies your health teacher told you. High-gauge painkillers are not instantaneously addictive. Seriously. I have taken them, and I am not a twitching addict. And going off them was not so much "hideous withdrawal" as "Hey! I can blink again!" See, if you’re taking them for actual, you know, pain, they aren’t very addictive at all. (Physical dependence does happen when you take them for a while. Which is why you taper off. Tapering off? Does not suck if you do it right.) If you’ve had, say, massive surgery to repair massive injuries and you’re on a massive pain-relief regimen as a result, yes, you will want those drugs if they’re taken away from you. But not because you’ve become addicted to them. You’ll want them because without them you’ll be in pain.

I know that seems kind of obvious. I thought so, too. But I’ve seen this more and more often in FF: a character takes - well, let’s go whole-hog and say oxycodone, the ingredient in that famously addictive drug, OxyContin. (Although even then, you take it differently for a high than for pain. Just, you know, FYI.) Takes it because, you know, he’s had his face ripped off or something (and that’s a made-up example; I’ve never read a story in which it happened, so if you’ve written one, I’m not picking on you). And he's on it for four days, and then the doctor starts "weaning" him off it, and he suffers the agonies of withdrawal. Well, OK. Withdrawal sucks, no doubt. But that character shouldn’t be going through it; he should be suffering the agonies of plain old agony, of being undermedicated by a supposed professional after having his face ripped off by the Clawbeast of the Betelgeusian Rainforest. (Or whatever.) Please, people, please - let’s keep our sick bay stories and our addiction stories separate, OK? There’s plenty of medically realistic suffering you can inflict. Without making every fan on the planet terrified of taking medication for pain.

What happens in the past stays in the past. Likewise with the future and the present. Pick a tense. Any tense. And then fucking stay with it. I don't care if you write your fan fiction in Past Inverted Pluperfect Imperative (actually, I would very likely erect a shrine in your honor), as long as you stay in Past Inverted Pluperfect Imperative. And if just one tense per story is too confining for you, at least limit yourself to one tense per section. And oh my god please one tense per sentence. "Was" and "is" are cousins, but they should not hang out together; their families do not get along. Thank you for your prompt attention to this matter.

Appropriate terminology. I don't want to be difficult. But is it so very challenging to consider what phrases your point-of-view character might reasonably use in, for example, a sexual setting? I mean, okay. Benton Fraser might use just about any word, including the Inuktuk word for "icicle," to describe his cock. With Fraser, I'm prepared to accept any term up to "Winky the Wonder Horse," and I'm betting some of you could make me happy with that, even. But if you've got a modern-day American military man using the phrase "manly rod," I am going to need, minimum, 2,000 words of backstory that explains how Jack O'Neill, in addition to the rest of his traumatic past, was at some point locked in a basement for three years with nothing to read but old romance novels.1

NO MORE CUTSEY PAIRING NAMES EVER I MEAN IT SO HELP ME GOD. And, yes, capslock is a crime against the internet, but sometimes it is impossible to convey the proper level of emphasis any other way. This is one of those times. I blame the more insane Harry/Hermione folks for this one. (...And, damn, I've forgotten the pairing name again. Hermeneutics? Harmonica? Help me out here, people.) But we all share the shame now, as the disease has spread to fandoms that should be innocent of any such taint. And, see, fine. If you really need to run the names of your pairing together (Although, seriously - why? It doesn't prove they were OMG meant to be together, you know. What message are you trying to convey? Theirloveissonominal?), then go right ahead. I may judge you - tough to avoid it these days, what with all the pairing name insanity going around - but I'll keep it to myself. It is your privilege to come up with mutant pairing names if you want to. It is your right.

But please, please, please, for the love of all that is holy, at least keep it relatively clear what the pairing actually is. If you tell me that you love Vecchowalski, at least I have a reasonable guess about what that might be. But if you tell me that you love Rayre, or Hooray, or Ski-Ho, that could be anything. And if you decide that Vecchio/Kowalski is now called Chicago, that is even worse. It conveys no useful information at all. (Well, okay. Some. I mean, I'd be thinking in terms of the right fandom; there are pairing names that don't even have that going for them.) Please. Please. It is wrong to make every story header an interminable guessing game. ("...Is the pairing bigger than a bread box?") You won't like it when I'm batshit insane and armed, people, and I'm getting there.

-Footnote-

1 Daniel's eyebrows shot up, and Jack mentally rewound the conversation. Shit.

"Jack," Daniel said cautiously, "did you just say 'pistoning love-muscle'?"

"No," Jack said firmly.

"Oooo-kay." There was an uncomfortable pause, and then Daniel said, very casually, "So. I'm going to get Sam and Teal'c and Janet now. You just...sit there."

"Daniel, sit down."

"I would, but now I'm not sure if I'm eating lunch with Jack O'Neill or the Goa'uld who was responsible for Barbara Cartland's incredible and disturbing productivity."

"Sit down, Daniel. And don't knock Barbara Cartland."

Daniel didn't move, but his eyebrows attempted to scurry off his face and go find Sam and Teal'c on their own.

Jack sighed. "Okay. See, when I was 26, I was on this mission..."

[identity profile] moosesal.livejournal.com 2006-01-18 06:28 pm (UTC)(link)
This cracked me up. Love the bit of SG-1 at the end. But you killed me with

If come is the essence of a man, he's not worth thinking about

Dear god, yes. Thank you. There are so many things in fic that just drive me nuts. Absolutely nuts. I rely on recs from people like you. I just can't bear to weed through some of the dreck out there.

[identity profile] thefourthvine.livejournal.com 2006-01-19 05:05 pm (UTC)(link)
There are so many things in fic that just drive me nuts. Absolutely nuts. I rely on recs from people like you. I just can't bear to weed through some of the dreck out there.

Oh, man. I hear that. (And I'm apparently having a Blair Sandburg moment.)

I have less dreck tolerance than I used to; the days when I read entire archives are gone. (And, you know, the frequency of my rants decreased markedly when I stopped doing that. Huh.) But even though I still end up reading a lot of crud, I also find these stunning gems that just - wow. I can't believe this stuff is just out there, to find, you know?

I think the deal with looking for FF is that it's addictive for the same reason people get addicted to slot machines. Because, okay, maybe I lost the last dozen times, but next time I could hit the jackpot. And then I'll get to tell everyone about it via rec!

But I can totally see why you'd end up relying solely on recs pages after a while. Some of what's out there - oh my god. I had an encounter with a story this morning that took years off my life with the punctuation alone.

*winces*

*lifts chin, keeps a stiff upper lip, and continues clicking*

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[identity profile] soupytwist.livejournal.com 2006-01-18 06:31 pm (UTC)(link)
Barbara Cartland as a Gao'uld (how the hell do you spell that, anyway?) makes so much sense. Like, way too much sense. O_O

The really scary thing about the awful, awful pairing names is you start to make some up in self-defence, making funny or stupid ones like Sparky, and then you realise that other people are using names like that only seriously.

And now I want to write Descartes/Schopenhauer in Past Inverted Pluperfect Imperative. (I can come up with a few lines - Go, if you had wished to know yourself through my philosophy! but damn, that's difficult!)

[identity profile] imkalena.livejournal.com 2006-01-18 07:42 pm (UTC)(link)
Whoa. I'm TOTALLY impressed, with both of you. I couldn't even figure out what that meant.
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[personal profile] lurksnomore 2006-01-18 06:55 pm (UTC)(link)
Oh, how I love you and your rants. They (and you) totally make any bad day better.

[identity profile] thefourthvine.livejournal.com 2006-01-19 05:11 pm (UTC)(link)
Thank you! (But, um. I hope your day wasn't too bad; there's a limit to what my rants can do for a person.)

Oh, and your icon is wonderful.

[identity profile] crossbow1.livejournal.com 2006-01-18 07:25 pm (UTC)(link)
I am going to need, minimum, 2,000 words of backstory that explains how Jack O'Neill, in addition to the rest of his traumatic past, was at some point locked in a basement for three years with nothing to read but old romance novels.

That was in season four. Remember the 3-week time loop?

[identity profile] thefourthvine.livejournal.com 2006-01-19 05:22 pm (UTC)(link)
Of course! I think I love you now.

Although, hmmm. Maybe not. Because now I have this image of Jack ransacking everyone's lockers looking for anything to do, and then reading a whole bunch of romance novels out loud to Teal'c. (This would obviously be in an AU where it took them much longer to get out of the loop.)

And Teal'c interrupts occasionally with questions. "O'Neill? What is meant by 'her moist wetness'?"

Jack makes wavy hand gestures, all, "Oh, you know. You know."

Teal'c nods and says, "Ah. As I thought. Continue; let us discover what she means to do about Hunter's apparent dalliance with her sister." A wistful pause, and then, "On Chulak, she would challenge him to single combat to the death."

"I can see why the Jaffa never invented romance novels. Where were we? Oh, right. 'Liar!' she cried. 'I saw you with Helena!'"

Later on, of course, when they're out of the time loop, Jack will give Teal'c a romance novel every birthday and Christmas. ("This one's a good one. I went to that bookstore downtown - you know, Rebecca's Nook? Rebecca recommended it herself.") And eventually Teal'c will take to watching soap operas.

So, you know, I have this whole story in my head now, and I'm not sure if I should thank you or not.

[identity profile] frostfire-17.livejournal.com 2006-01-18 07:26 pm (UTC)(link)
I'm with you on the essence, the kissing cocks, the love-piston, and the crawling tongues. I see where you're coming from with the brains, the drop-kissing, the painkillers, and the McSparky or whatever, although I don't have really visceral badness reactions to them.

AND. I have a personal list of people that I will love forever for appreciating the importance of STAYING IN THE SAME TENSE OMG, and you have just joined them. Hallelujah, sister. Sing it.

[identity profile] thefourthvine.livejournal.com 2006-01-19 05:24 pm (UTC)(link)
*testifies*

I have SEEN the evil, sister, and it is RANDOM TENSE SWITCHES! Join me in the fight to reclaim our fan fiction from this horror!

*sings inspirational battle song entitled 'The Streets Will Run with Blood Until Our Fan Fiction Is Pure Once More'*

[identity profile] barkley.livejournal.com 2006-01-18 07:29 pm (UTC)(link)
Luckily, in the stories I've been reading, people keep saying the same things over and over again during sex. So I skim, see the phrase, yell at them to shut the hell up if they don't have anything interesting to say, and keep skimming right past any possible zombie cock suckers. Whoohoo!


And howls of laughter for the whole thing, but most especially your footnote.

[identity profile] thefourthvine.livejournal.com 2006-01-19 05:30 pm (UTC)(link)
*snerk*

I live in fear of someone who doesn't know I read fan fiction - my mother, basically - coming over to my house and going through my open tabs one day. Because, see, if I'm going to take a break from a story, which I often do, it's generally right at the start of the sex scene. (Or when I think something embarrassing is about to happen, but that's just, you know, a personal issue.) So I tend to have nine million open tabs, 60% of which are stories paused right at the dirtiest part.

And, yay. I'm especially pleased that actual Jack/Daniel people like my footnote, because - well, I've never seen any of the canon. I shouldn't write them. And yet, when I get the urge to write certain kinds of humorous stories, they are the characters I definitely want to use. Not John and Rodney, although I love them and have seen some of their canon and write them from time to time. Not Fraser and Ray, although I adore them and have seen some of their canon and write them often. No. For this one specific, um, tone, I guess I can call it, it has to be Jack and Daniel. Who I love, yes, but don't know at all.

Of course, since I'm me, I write it anyway. But I always expect the real SG1 fans to come after me with torches.

[identity profile] katie-m.livejournal.com 2006-01-18 07:36 pm (UTC)(link)
You must write Jack and Daniel more often. That is all.

[identity profile] thefourthvine.livejournal.com 2006-01-19 05:40 pm (UTC)(link)
*blushes*

I'm especially pleased that actual SG1 people like my footnote, because - well, I've never seen any of the canon. I shouldn't write Jack and Daniel. But when I get the urge to write certain kinds of (mostly) humorous stories, they are the characters I definitely want to use. Not John and Rodney or Fraser and Ray, although I love them and have seen some of their canon and write them from time to time. No. For this one specific, um, tone, I guess I could call it, it has to be Jack and Daniel. Who I love, yes, but don't really know at all.

Of course, since I'm me, I write it anyway. But I always expect the real SG1 fans to come after me with torches and pitchforks.

But apparently this time there will not be torches. And there weren't any last time, either. I am extremely proud of myself.
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[identity profile] beledibabe.livejournal.com 2006-01-18 07:37 pm (UTC)(link)
So I'm screaming with laughter, chortling so hard that my laptop was seriously in danger of sliding off said lap, and the hubster asks why I'm rosy-faced with glee. I read him some of your spot-on rant, and now *he's* clutching his belly and making "please, stop" noises.

Oh, if only all rants were as intelligent and amusing as yours!

[identity profile] thefourthvine.livejournal.com 2006-01-19 05:43 pm (UTC)(link)
Whereas I am grinning and basking, because I didn't just make you laugh, I got your husband, too. It is a fabulous day indeed when I can cause stomach pain in people who aren't even on LJ.

Um. That sounded very, very wrong. But you know what I meant, right?

*waves happily at Mr. [livejournal.com profile] beledibabe*

(And, as long as I'm sounding like a total dork anyway, this is probably a good time to say that I've never known how to pronounce your LJ name. Um. Be-led-I-babe?)

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[identity profile] imkalena.livejournal.com 2006-01-18 07:37 pm (UTC)(link)
You would not write a story in which cocks hold hands and go on a picnic and declare love for each other and maybe whisper sweet nothings in each other's ears.

But you know, that's only because they have no, you know, opposable thumbs. Or, you know, ears. Otherwise, cock picnics? Shoot!

Pity the poor cocks!

Can we please also have a moratorium on anything that's not a ghost ghosting over, under, or on anything else? I only thought that was a wonderful descriptor the first four hundred times.

[identity profile] thefourthvine.livejournal.com 2006-01-19 05:50 pm (UTC)(link)
Oh. Oh, damn. See, after my first real rant, someone brought up ghost (and I whole-heartedly agree with you there, let me just say), and I included it in my second rant (http://thefourthvine.livejournal.com/23272.html). And then [livejournal.com profile] daegaer wrote the most fabulous commentfic ever in response to the ghost thing, but it was in the comments of another post and now I can't find it.

Damn. Because, really, if you ghosting makes you wince, this is so totally the commentfic for you, and...arg.

*searches some more*

[identity profile] merelyn.livejournal.com 2006-01-18 07:45 pm (UTC)(link)
Yes to everything you've said! And normally I'm a pretty big cutesy pairing name hater (ALL the fault of Harry Potter fandom, I'm convinced); however, I feel like I have to share the latest one I've come across, from SGA:

Parrish/Lorne = Porne

(Bwa! Days later, and the small, perverted child in me is still laughing.)

[identity profile] thefourthvine.livejournal.com 2006-01-19 05:57 pm (UTC)(link)
And normally I'm a pretty big cutesy pairing name hater (ALL the fault of Harry Potter fandom, I'm convinced)

I thought so, too. But other commenters have persuaded me that Roswell is probably to blame (with popslash sharing some of it), unless American soap operas are.

It's a crazy old world, is fandom.

Parrish/Lorne = Porne

*snerk*

The thing is, with the SG writers, you always have to wonder if they're doing it on purpose.
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[identity profile] geekturnedvamp.livejournal.com 2006-01-18 08:06 pm (UTC)(link)
You need lips to kiss. So, take cocks, for example. They do not have lips and thus should not kiss each other. You would not write a story in which cocks hold hands and go on a picnic and declare love for each other and maybe whisper sweet nothings in each other's ears.

I am told that apparently they do in manga...

Also, I feel the need to go name some poor defenseless pairing Ski-Ho now.

[identity profile] shrift.livejournal.com 2006-01-18 08:22 pm (UTC)(link)
am told that apparently they do in manga...

They do. And I blame [livejournal.com profile] coffeeandink for sending it to me and traumatizing me forever with the anthropomorphized possessed penises. They had faces and voices and independent motility!
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[identity profile] kageygirl.livejournal.com 2006-01-18 08:20 pm (UTC)(link)
Word, man.

Also? Some people need to learn that lines like I don't care if you write your fan fiction in Past Inverted Pluperfect Imperative (actually, I would very likely erect a shrine in your honor) are not, in fact, personal challenges.

*sprained brain, tries to massage it out*

(the closest I could get was:

Withstood countless attacks had you, and prepared to face countless more had you been. But numberless the fearsome enemy had been, and weary had been your charges, your allies, your children.

Send them away, you'd had to, back to the world of their origin, and, abandoned, sank yourself beneath the waves, you had, to await their return--they, or their children's children's children.

Rejoiced, had you, when returned to light and life you were, eons later. Poorly welcomed they had been, by your failing shields and flooding halls, but reunited were you with the purpose of your existence.

Resolved had you, in that moment, that your ancient enemy defeated would be. Wasted not would be the second chance you'd been given.


And then I needed a drink.)

[identity profile] sexybee.livejournal.com 2006-01-18 08:57 pm (UTC)(link)
Some people need to learn that lines ... are not, in fact, personal challenges.

I know the feeling. I will not write zombie fic with dropped kisses and brains being sucked out cocks, even if I now want to really, really badly. Actually, in Japanese mythology, it was believed that the kappa, a water spirit, could suck a person's entrails/blood/liver/energy out through their anus--a fact that has been used, jokingly, in a couple of Saiyuki fics I've read. And in fact, you may want to be thankful for the Cutesy Pairing Names, because not only do we have them in anime fandoms, we also have a couple of large fandoms that use numbers so that fic headers sometimes look like math problems. (This fic is 1x2, 3x4, 5+13)

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axiom_of_stripe: DC Comics: Kory cries "X'Hal!" (By the book)

[personal profile] axiom_of_stripe 2006-01-18 08:21 pm (UTC)(link)
*footnote love*

[identity profile] thefourthvine.livejournal.com 2006-01-19 07:55 pm (UTC)(link)
*curtsies*

[identity profile] lomedet.livejournal.com 2006-01-18 08:39 pm (UTC)(link)
here via [livejournal.com profile] metafandom.

And if someone is touching someone else's essence, you'd better be writing Descartes/Schopenhauer and not just some random buttsex.

and right there? is where I fell off my chair laughing.

this rant totally made my night - thank you for sharing!

[identity profile] thefourthvine.livejournal.com 2006-01-19 07:58 pm (UTC)(link)
Thanks! I'm glad you liked it, and, um. I hope the chair was very close to the ground.

(Also, many thanks for telling me where you found the link. I always wonder how people end up here.)

[identity profile] vegetariansushi.livejournal.com 2006-01-18 09:34 pm (UTC)(link)
This was brilliant. I do, however, feel compelled to mention that I'm pretty sure that this:

...You would not write a story in which cocks hold hands and go on a picnic and declare love for each other and maybe whisper sweet nothings in each other's ears...

has, in fact, been done. Possibly without the picnic, but still.

[personal profile] indywind 2006-01-19 09:27 am (UTC)(link)
It was probably in the 70s and filmed with an amber gel.

[identity profile] revena.livejournal.com 2006-01-18 09:36 pm (UTC)(link)
I was pointed to this post by [livejournal.com profile] ctorres, and laughed all the way through it. I'd like to link to it from [livejournal.com profile] writers_orgasm, a community dedicated to the discussion of erotic writing, especially in fanfiction. We spend a lot of time snarking about some of the things that bother you, and I think the members there would enjoy this essay. May I link?

[identity profile] thefourthvine.livejournal.com 2006-01-18 10:29 pm (UTC)(link)
Of course you may, and thank you for wanting to. (You never have to ask permission to link to anything I post, but I very much appreciate being told about it.)

[identity profile] fanofall.livejournal.com 2006-01-18 09:54 pm (UTC)(link)
Daniel didn't move, but his eyebrows attempted to scurry off his face and go find Sam and Teal'c on their own.

Jack sighed. "Okay. See, when I was 26, I was on this mission..."


My love for you cannot be textually rendered.

[identity profile] thefourthvine.livejournal.com 2006-01-19 11:36 pm (UTC)(link)
My love for you is so great that it can only be rendered with wombats.

[identity profile] annavtree.livejournal.com 2006-01-18 11:22 pm (UTC)(link)
You are the Dr. Cox of fandom and we love you so much for it.

PS I spent 3ish weeks on a constant stream of Percocet and I ended up :gasp: not addicted. But, if during those three weeks, anyone had tried to take my pain meds away from me I would have gouged their eyes out.

PPS I'm not kidding. Talk to the nurse when she switched me off of IV painkillers and on to plain old percocet. I complained because someone had just cut into me with a knife NOT because I was jonesing for a fix.

PPPS This is a long winded way of saying that I really appreciate your rants.

PPPPS Smushed pairing names must die. Especially if the pairing name is LoVe, because, no.

[identity profile] shealynn88.livejournal.com 2006-01-19 05:37 am (UTC)(link)
But you have to feel for us WeeVers because...well, please, could there be a LESS smushy, less porny, less inspiring name for a pairing??? :)-

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[identity profile] boogieshoes.livejournal.com 2006-01-19 12:27 am (UTC)(link)
just wanted to say hi, and i have fallen in love with your rants :). i also posted to the last one from july :-p, and sent my friend mzmadmike to read that one, and got him to post too. you are collecting worshippers at an astonishing rate, evidently.

-boogieshoes

[identity profile] thefourthvine.livejournal.com 2006-01-19 11:49 pm (UTC)(link)
Hi! And thank you.

(Not so much worshippers as fellow-sufferers; the comments section is one giant encounter group. Someone stands up and says, "I too have known the pain of zombie body parts fic, and I am oppressed beyond bearing by the mere knowledge of pairings named Sparky and LoVe." We all applaud supportively, and then we have a group hug and a little crying. It's very cathartic and healing.)

[identity profile] cranberryink.livejournal.com 2006-01-19 12:39 am (UTC)(link)
Hahaha. Yes, but are there any pictures of them together?

[identity profile] thefourthvine.livejournal.com 2006-01-19 11:52 pm (UTC)(link)
Okay, right now I'm working on two theories:

1. You intended to post this comment in another LJ or on another comment here.

2. I am very, very stupid, or possibly I just really need that sleep.

Because I, um, do not understand this. And I suffer from near-fatal curiosity, so...explain? Please?

*attempts to look cute*

[identity profile] cupidsbow.livejournal.com 2006-01-19 01:02 am (UTC)(link)
I am now very, very tempted to write a story which includes every one of these things, because, god help us both, you actually made them sound funny and kind of appealing.

I think I would call it "Kiss of the Cock-Zombies."

[identity profile] m-butterfly.livejournal.com 2006-01-19 04:46 am (UTC)(link)
*narrowly avoids a spittake*

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[identity profile] lunardreamed.livejournal.com 2006-01-19 01:25 am (UTC)(link)
Forget the lies your health teacher told you.

Yes, please. Sex is good. Abstinence is a myth. And drugs are not the source of all evil.

I am so sick of hearing people worry about taking anti-depressants because (a) they don't need it or (b) it will send them to la-la land. They are probably the mildest anti-psychotics out there. If you need help, get it. Same with pain. Take something and stop bitching. You will not become a headcase, addict, or whatever else you're thinking.

And (most) people who are in real pain do not want to be fucked back to health. They do not beg their partners to stop treating them like glass and start really fucking them. And if they're blitzed out on the really good pain killers, they haven't got a clue what's going on around them and they really don't care, so they aren't going to be having the best orgasm ever.

Appropriate terminology.

Etc.

When I read a fan fiction story, I want to read a story about the characters from the show I enjoy. I do not want to read a story about the author's fantasy of the perfect relationship modeled by some hot guys you see on TV. Canon Sues are even worse than Mary Sues. At least with an original character, I know to expect it.

An ex-marine with three divorces and lousy people skills who has a policy of never apologizing does not discuss his issues or feelings. He does not have "issues." He does not spout sonnets (or romance novel nonsense). He thinks they are ridiculous and probably false. When he and his lover have a disagreement, they do not rationally and respectfully discuss the situation and come to a compromise. In fact, he doesn't have disagreements, he has arguments and compromise isn't in his vocabulary. And his male lover does not call him "baby" or "honey." Not if he wants to live. Frankly, I have trouble seeing a woman calling him that.

And if a person must write a male pregnancy story, stick with the sci-fi and fantasy genres. Do not write it in a cop drama. Please. And don't turn it into a melodrama, or what is the point of a male pregnancy, just get a Mary Sue to have the hysterics.

Anyway, as someone who also hails from that strange land where grammar and spelling count, characterization is important, and, no matter how great your idea is, you still need to write coherently, I have enjoyed your rants immensely. We all need to vent sometimes. And be reminded that we are not alone in this world.

[identity profile] m-butterfly.livejournal.com 2006-01-19 04:48 am (UTC)(link)


There's a wonderful bit in the second-seasoner opener of Deadwood involving that.

[identity profile] jeddy83.livejournal.com 2006-01-19 01:30 am (UTC)(link)
Hee, I'm diagnosing too-much-fanfiction syndrome. Some of these things aren't too annoying the first time, but when everyone is doing it just no.

[identity profile] thefourthvine.livejournal.com 2006-01-20 12:26 am (UTC)(link)
I love your icon.

Some of these things aren't too annoying the first time, but when everyone is doing it just no.

Precisely. And the thing is, I read in enough fandoms that I can watch these things spread; it's like watching one of those animated maps charting the progress of an epidemic.

Bad writing is contagious. (And now I feel like I should make a public awareness poster that reads, "Practice good fic hygiene and safe reading. You never know what you might catch next.")
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[identity profile] kyuuketsukirui.livejournal.com 2006-01-19 01:31 am (UTC)(link)
Oh man, the pairing names. I admit, I smush here and there (Judewan, Domlijah, Viggorli, mainly), cause sometimes it's easier and I'm lazy. But that's only when talking about it. I'd never do it in headers or anything.

And some of them just sound incredibly stupid. I mean, how can you take a pairing called Snucius seriously? Or Snarry? Snupin? (Snupin makes me think Snoopy, and I don't do bestiality, kthx.) All the Snape/X pairings are horrible when smushed, yet so popular. Snack is the worst, cause IT'S A REAL WORD, PEOPLE.

And I don't even know who these people are, but apparently Logan/Veronica from Veronica Mars is called LoVe...gag me now...

[identity profile] danibennett.livejournal.com 2006-01-19 11:32 am (UTC)(link)
I'm probably going to regret asking, but...what does Snack stand for?

[identity profile] rochefort.livejournal.com 2006-01-19 01:47 am (UTC)(link)
A new ff rant from you is always fun.

Amen to everything you've said (I've had to visualise those kissing cocks, too; also duelling ones). And HP fandom is the Devil for cutesy pairing names. I'm not sure what the first one ever was, but the first I came across was, I think, Snarry (why not Snotter?). Snack, etc, followed thereafter. Ugh.

[identity profile] thefourthvine.livejournal.com 2006-01-20 12:34 am (UTC)(link)
My god, you're absolutely right. I will forevermore think "Snotter" when I see "Snarry."

And this will make me a much happier person.

Thank you!

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